In the Dying Light

Re: # 125

bj,

...... unfortunatley, since you are a gandhian celibate i cannot prescribe the same `adrak` for you ..........

........ i am simply tired of folks like arjun, rsridhar, masadi and urstruly and hope that natural selection (or god) will do its job and future generations will be spared the agony ............ keeping that in mind, i shouldn`t be prescribing sex, should i? .......... hopefully they will all turn gandhian like you ........

#127

Hamidm Mian, I raised the question in jest and have no doubt where you stand on issues.

However, it is better to look for positives - some of these positions bring out the ``doctor`` in you! Where would this site be without some of your prescriptions?!

Now you can return to your weekly vacuum cleaning!

``Why does a young Muslim man, in the prime of life, with a full life ahead, go and blow himself up?`` she asked. ``In our countries, religion is the sole source of education and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched.``

``The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions or a clash of civilizations,`` ``It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality.``(Dr. Mrs. Wafa Sultan, a Syrian Psychiatrist on Al Jazeera)

Dr. Sultan is now under death threats from Middle East Muslim Clergy -- one of them saying that what she has done is even worse than the Danish cartoonists -- she is an apostate and must be put to death.

Re: # 113

``That is it, sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN ``(Farzana)

Farzana did you know that wife beater had failed his language exam......:)

Re: # 123

Rsridhar`s post:

Obviously you do not follow, Autobiography of a Yogi. Just look at your filthy language you use, and the rage that you get in, when you have nothing substantial to add. BTW, I read this book and Krishnamurthy`s book, probably before you were out of college.

For your information, faith and technology are not mutually exclusive. Unless you want to create your own cult on this basis.

Belief (or faith as you call) is limited, and must remain limited to a believer / faithful`s mind space. This is what I believe and practice. Therefore, I have a belief system for myself. Please educate yourself, go and read my postings on this subject elsewhere on Chowk, if you want to know my belief system.

Otherwise why go elsewhere to look at OBL, just look at yourself. Your verbal abuses is your violence. You get into this rage in a flash. Just cool down Rsridhar. Please read and understand others viewpoints. You may learn something, and grow a little. Name throwing of books and name calling is not the way to debate.

You and Beharam are similar in this regard, and I do not wish to talk to either of you. I had previously made it clear to both of you.

I am quite at peace with myself, and do express myself freely, without being terrorized by verbal terrorists. Keep such terrorism to yourself, if you next time want to interact with me.

Otherwise please take a deep breath when you have an urge to talk to me.

Anil Kapuria

Re: # 126

Ramanujam:

Why should someone not use ``intellectual capital`` that is driving knowledge revolution? How else will you categorize it?

Allright ``Leftist - Rightist Nosense `` may be a stronger phase to use.

Are you afraid to use ``fundamentalism`` because it encompasses more than muslim jihadists?

``Crusaders`` is a historical fact that did happen, I simply stated this fact here. Why you have a problem with it?

Why do you have problem when I express my views that ``fundamentalism is regressive``? If you have alternate views that demonstrate that fundamentalism is progressive, please tell me more about these facts. I am very keen to know and open to learning.

Yes, I do question many things, not only the Koran, whether man is the God`s best creation or God is the best imagination of man``, and validity of hindutva as a yard stick of hinduness of a person, etc. etc.

Please explain why your definition of Leftist - Rightist is not selfish, self-serving and egotistical? If Advani, and Singhal (VHP) says they are not like you, then are they leftist by your definition?

If Bajrang Dal does not agree with your solutions to India`s problems, and therefore, they are not like you, then are they leftist?

Anil Kapuria

``why go elsewhere to look at OBL, just look at yourself.``(Anil)

indeed Anil -- Chowk is a mirror for a lot of OBL in us..........and among us...

Re: #132 by anil

Relax. I was just kidding. I was making the point that we HAVE to use labels in our lives.

I don`t really care if you think leftist/rightist labels are bad. Believe whatever you want to believe.

As long as you don`t give ``comfort and succour`` to those who want to harm us.

re:#131 by anil
Why don`t u read that book and then we can talk. Until then stuff that pseudointellectual leftist crap within you. Nobody is impressed.
Sridhar

re:#122 by hamidm2
I did reply to you at that time that i got tired of sex. This is what happens if u start at an early age. I now find Paki bashing more gratifying. My orgasm will come when Pak is carved up.
Sridhar

Re: # 135

Rshridhar:

You cannot even read the following opening lines in (#131), so how can claim to read a thick book, that may overload synapses and possibly hemmorage the brain.


``Obviously you do not follow, Autobiography of a Yogi. Just look at your filthy language you use, and the rage that you get in, when you have nothing substantial to add. BTW, I read this book and Krishnamurthy`s book, probably before you were out of college.``

Anil

#137 Anil, #135 Sridhar,

Both of you are off-topic!
(I think it is all Hamidm`s fault.)

#133 Nasah
Speak for yourself.

Anil, I decided not to read the ``Autobiography of a Yogi`` (a close friend once recommended it) after hearing that it describes some ``out of body`` experiences or supernatural experiences and such. Is it worth the effort for people who don`t beleive in such experiences?

Re: # 139

BJ:

There is nothing earth shattering in Autobiography of Yogi.

For me there were three Indian Heros at different times, who brought fundamental thoughts and actions, and they are:

Panini:
We may not realize it, but he really set foundation of the clausal logic, and formal grammar that would truly be the most original of human thoughts, alongwith Von-Nauman model of computing machinery that triggered computing and software, and therefore caused the present knowledge revolution.

Buddha:
He brought a perspective on philosophy and life which allowed peaceful coexistance for all of us.

Gandhi:
It may disappoint Yasser, but he truly perfected non-violence as a weapon for all of us in the world.

Anil Kapuria

Why are people discussing sex here? Nevertheless, since this was written, it is the first time I have felt like smiling...

Just a few lines I went through:

[Chowk is a mirror for a lot of OBL in us..........and among us... ]

Mirrors show us ourselves; Chowk is not an x-ray machine to see IN us...as for those ``among us``, how can we recognise them when they are covered with fake beards of rationality, their faces cleverly hidden? Women are different...you see us as we are :)

[I did reply to you at that time that i got tired of sex. This is what happens if u start at an early age. I now find Paki bashing more gratifying. My orgasm will come when Pak is carved up.]

Aha, we now have a resident Lorena Bobbitt...

[I decided not to read the ``Autobiography of a Yogi`` (a close friend once recommended it) after hearing that it describes some ``out of body`` experiences or supernatural experiences and such. Is it worth the effort for people who don`t beleive in such experiences?]

Even crapping is an out of body experience...

- - -

And something to share, whether you believe or not....placebo? I would replace god with Destiny...

BEAUTIFUL STORY OF DREAMS


Once there were three trees on a hill in the woods. They were
discussing their hopes and dreams when the first tree said,
``Someday, I hope to be a treasure chest. I could be filled with
gold, silver and precious gems and be decorated with intricate
carvings. Everyone would see my beauty.``

The second tree said, ``Someday, I will be a mighty ship. I will take
kings and queens across the waters and sail to the corners of other
world. Everyone will feel safe in me because of the strength of my
hull.``

Finally, the third tree said, ``I want to grow to be the tallest and
straightest tree in the forest. People will see me on top of the
hill and look up to my branches, and think of the heavens and God
and how close to them I am reaching. I will be the greatest tree of
all time, and people will always remember me.``

After a few years of praying that their dreams would come true,a
group of woodsmen came upon the trees. One came to the first tree
and said, ``This looks like a strong tree, I think I should be able
to sell the wood to a carpenter,`` and he began cutting it down.
The tree was happy,because he knew that the carpenter would make him
into a treasure chest.

At the second tree, one of the other woodsman said, ``This looks like
a strong tree. I should be able to sell it to the shipyard.``
The a second tree was happy, because he knew he was on his way to
becoming mighty ship.

When the woodsmen came upon the third tree, the tree was frightened,
because it knew that, if it was cut down, its dreams would not come
true. One of the woodsmen said, ``I don`t need anything special from
my tree,so I`ll take this one,`` and he cut it down.

When the first tree arrived at the carpenter`s, he was made into a
feed box for animals, placed in a barn and filled with hay. This was
not at all what he prayed for.

The second tree was cut and made into a small fishing boat. His
dreams of being a mighty ship and carrying kings had come to an end.

The third tree was chopped into two pieces and left in the dark.

The years went by, and the trees forgot about their dreams. Then one
day, a man and woman came to the barn. She gave birth, and they
placed the baby in the hay in the feed box that was made from the
first tree. The man wished that he could have made a crib for the
baby, but this manger would have to do. The tree could feel the
importance of this event and knew that it had held the greatest
treasure of all time.

Years later, a group of men got in the fishing boat made from the
second tree. One of them was tired and went to sleep. While they
were out on the water, a great storm arose, and the tree didn`t
think it was strong enough to keep the men safe. The men woke the
sleeping man, and he stood and said ``Peace,`` and the storm stopped.
At this time, the tree knew that it had carried the King
of Kings in its boat.

Finally, someone came and got the third tree. It was carried through
the streets, and the crowd mocked the man who was carrying it.
Finally,the man was nailed to the tree and raised in the air to die
at the top of a hill. When Sunday came, the tree came to realize
that it was strong enough to stand at the top of the hill and be as
close to God as was possible, because Jesus had been crucified on it.

The moral of this story is that, when things don`t seem to be going
your way, always know that God has a plan for you. If you place your
trust in Him, He will give you great gifts. Each of the trees got
what they wanted, just not in the way they had imagined. We don`t
always know what God`s plans are for us. We just know that His ways
are not our ways,but His ways are always best.

fv,

......... sorry about bringing up sex (or the lack thereof) on your board ...... by the way, evn though i loved your rather melancholy article i still have no desire to visit varanasi (or mecca for that matter - even though they tell me that you can stay at the sheraton across from haram sharif and look down upon god`s house) ........

.......... has any one thought of setting up high temperature gas-fired incinerators to make sure that we are not polluting the water and scaring little children living downstream by throwing half-cooked hindoos into the river ? .......... and don`t tell me they have cycle rickshaws in india - judging from what rsridhar says, i thought everyone was working in a call center and driving around in a maruti .........