Rethinking Foreign Policy -- Can Pakistan and India Agree?

re:#606 by behram1
Dude,
You are full of hate.
You still have not answered the question: why do u hate hindus?
If u hate some persons in chowk, do not involve the whole community.
BTW, i am very aware of the distinction between an IM and a Paki muslim.
For starters, i am not aware of even one IM who has been caught up with Al-Qaida or involved in global jehad.
My ire is against Paki muslims of certain kind.
(...will you send a letter of recommendation to your Indian Community in my City for starting a campaign to raise at least $150,000 for me to run for my city council race.)
You must be kidding!
Send u a LOR after u have spewed all the hatred. No wonder hindus shy away from u. You are just a despicable creature.
Sridhar

re:#599 by Ramanujan
Thanks.
I think we should give the dude sometime to improve.
If he continues to spew hatred, i think further steps or warranted.
Sridhar

re:#573 by mohar11
Thanks.
I stand corrected.
Alas, she is now married.
Looks like she married a Bong.
Sridhar

dost-mittar# 623


Sheesh...whats up with these whacko-punjabis !!

Pakiland is a thirdrate dictatorship, fountainhead of bigotry & terrorism - joint
strategy with such rogues ?
Go see your psychiatrist - Dost-Mitter.

Just because some Pakis eat similiar food to that of some Indians
(actually that is not fully true either) -
doesnt mean Pakis are intellectually/philosophically/ideologically compatible
with Indians.

Why should Indians be against the US ?
The US is a superpower, has technology, is a democracy and open-society, has
opened itself to Indan immigration, has strong business ties, has invested in India
and has helped Indian companies develop faster.
There is a lot that India and US share - why should Indians deal with the Terrorist
Islamic Republic of Pakistan. India should deal with Pakis only after they
stop their jihadi bullshit, civilize themselves and give up their obsession
with islam. When Pakis start following the Dara-Shikoh version of islam then
India can think of talking with the Paki state.

#623 by dost-mittar on March 17, 2006 5:15pm PT


``If the two South Asian states present a unified front against US pressure, it would not be easy for Washington to have its way on the issue.


Gee..Isn`t it funny how pakis now arrive at this joint strategy only after they`ve been smacked down in public...

Dawn seems to see merit in joint India-Pak strategy:

from today`s dawn:

``If the two South Asian states present a unified front against US pressure, it would not be easy for Washington to have its way on the issue. If they join hands with other like-minded governments on the issue — Russia and China do not share America’s views — they could successfully resist US pressure. This is possible only if the countries, which are more directly affected by the happenings in this region, develop a common approach on geo-strategic issues, energy matters and economic cooperation. A positive development is that steps have been taken to facilitate the participation of India in TAP (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan gas pipeline project). India, Pakistan and Iran already enjoy observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation which groups China, Russia and four Central Asian republics together under one banner. India has also requested that it be made a partner in the Qatar-Pakistan pipeline project and its participation is a possibility. By creating this energy network in the region, India and Pakistan would not only benefit themselves, they would also create a countervailing force against America’s unilateralism``

inbred retardo...It looks like the pentagon and the US government sees China(Pakiland`s buddy) as the next big threat...

Do you support the American policy of confronting China or, being a paki, are you a supporter of China?

Pentagon `hedge` strategy targets China
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 17, 2006
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The Pentagon is moving strategic bombers to Guam and aircraft carriers and submarines to the Pacific as part of a new ``hedge`` strategy aimed at preparing for conflict with China, Pentagon officials said yesterday.
Peter Rodman, assistant defense secretary for international security affairs, told a congressional commission that the response to the emerging military threat from China is part of the White House national security strategy made public yesterday.
Although U.S. relations with China are good, ``both sides understand very well that there is a potential for a conflict, particularly in the Taiwan Strait,`` Mr. Rodman said during a hearing of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.
China`s arms buildup in recent years altered the U.S. ``strategic calculus`` for defending Taiwan from a mainland attack and shows that ``a prudent hedging policy is essential,`` Mr. Rodman said.
The placement of about 700 Chinese missiles opposite Taiwan has changed the status quo between the non-communist island and the communist mainland, he said.
The Pentagon policy calls for watching China`s military and ``being ready to deal with it, if the worst case should happen,`` Mr. Rodman said.
James Thomas, deputy assistant defense secretary for plans, said key elements of the ``hedging`` policy are aimed at nations with uncertain futures, including China and Russia.
Cooperation is preferred, but the Pentagon must prepare ``for the possibility that others could choose a more hostile path,`` Mr. Thomas said.
``In [the China] part of the hedging strategy, we`re looking at the deployments of bomber elements to Guam on a more routine basis,`` he said. ``We`re also looking at making adjustments in our naval posture globally, shifting to six carrier battle groups in the Pacific region, given the shift in global transport and trade, as well as over the next several years shifting approximately 60 percent of our attack submarine fleet to the Pacific.``
The public term for the strategy is ``hedge,`` but in internal Pentagon discussions the term is ``effective preparations to swiftly defeat Chinese aggression,`` one defense official said.
The comments about a conflict contrast with statements by Pentagon officials that have sought to minimize the emerging threat from China.
The plan calls for frequent rotations of B-2 strategic bombers to Guam, part of what the Air Force calls its global strike mission to reach crisis areas quickly. Special hangars and other deployment and maintenance facilities are being built on Guam, a U.S. territory about 1,800 miles from the Chinese coast.
Three attack submarines are based in Guam, and arms storage there includes long-range air-launched cruise missiles and Joint Direct Attack Munitions.
Adm. William J. Fallon, commander of the Pacific Command, has visited Guam and told reporters that the island will become a pivot point for U.S. forces in the Pacific because of the relatively short distances to the Taiwan Strait, South Korea and Southeast Asia.
Yesterday, Mr. Thomas said the Pentagon is strengthening alliances in Asia as part of the strategy.

#619 gujju aka Khalid

Why did you have to go to Europe to find Pakistani men doing things to non Muslims women? You should have looked at yourself in the mirror. Here is a quote from your own profile page(removed now) that I saved to show you the mirror.

``khalid_ahmad

Member since: March 15, 2006 read iLog
Profile not setup.

Who am I?

Offspring of a trusting Christian Hinjew waylaid by a lusty Pakistani only to be dumped in favor of a newer harem. Enough strains in my blood for me to choose what I want to be. What to do? Stuck with a stupid name embossed all over my passport, diplomas and certificates. Who cares? You might as well call me Squalid Ahmad to remind me of my dad. ``

I know I waylaid your mommy and not only me as you admitted my father pulled a number on her too.

I know it hurts to be left behind and called illegitimate but that is life...I am willing to take you and your mommy back...I need some fun in the evening... Stop being mad and come on over...along with your mommy.

so inbred retard support Dubya`s policy of fighting terrorism by deporting people most likely to be terrorists i.e. pakis..

finally something we agree on..

Thank you for the links Arjun. Pakistanis are the worst immigrants in any country.

The cartoon controversy erupted in Denmark only because Pakistanis are the largest immigrant group in that country.

Here are more examples of Paki rapist behavior:

- In Australia`s New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf

- In Copenhagen, Denmark Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped

- In Malmo, the third largest city in Sweden, the police have admitted, Dashti says, that they no longer control the city. “It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants.”

- Channel 4 ... to show how Pakistani and other Muslim men sexually abused young, white English girls as young as 11.

- In three decades of immigration into Western countries, Islam has caused social upheaval and havoc in every one of its host countries. No other immigration program has encountered the problems of non-assimilation and religious ambiguity.

- Three Pakistani gang rapists who are facing life in jail yesterday begged a judge to be pardoned, citing cultural differences that led to the brutal attack, immaturity on their part and hardship within their families if they were imprisoned. But Supreme Court Justice Brian Sully said ``culture or no culture``, a strong message needed to be sent to other young men that such horrific sex crimes against women will not be tolerated in modern society.

- On Thursday, in Cunneen`s latest prosecution, a jury found two more men, Pakistan-born Muslims whose names have been suppressed by the court, guilty of the violent gang rapes of two teenage girls in Ashfield last year.

- A woman from Norway asks, ``So how come Norwegians have to bend over to Pakistanis who can`t control themselves when they see non muslim girls?``


Any immigration law to throw Pakistanis out will ensure peace and tranquility in the respective countries

Bipolar Choutia Arjun:

Yes, to all your questions.

I even support the war in Iraq.

Do you?

Re: # 616 delhiwala

DOn`t worry - most people are here just for fun.... tweak paki tails and watch them dance.... that`s all....

Re: # 603
Tahmed,
Mai te bore ho gya haah.

Folks, in all reality, do you really think what you do on Chowk or your titsy-bitsy affiliations in USA, such as stundent parties, DESI affairs meetings, or even some political affitiations.

would they really make any difference of how Indi/Paki Govt conduct themselves?

I have been there and done that....

If intellectual mastarbation on Chowk to be anti-Paki(most of the Indis) and Racist(like mr Behram) can conceive any results then you all are mistaken.

Frankly, I am getting bored by this. That is prolly the reason why DM is MIA.

All Indians: please support Dubya`s policies for fighting the terrorists and making America safer by deporting people most likely to be terrorists..

Pakistanis in U.S. Among the Most Affected By INS Registration Edict
By Ziad, Homayra
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
April 1, 2003

At 6 a.m. on Dec. 19 of last year, Sara Khan (not her real name), was awoken by a banging on her door. Three agents from the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) entered. Without explanation, they searched her house and person, and questioned her aggressively. The agents told Sara that she had failed to register under the NSEERS program. Shocked, she replied that, to the best of her knowledge, the new regulations applied only to males. Despite her appeal, Sara, a dual citizen of Pakistan and England holding a valid Hl-B work visa, was escorted to the local INS head office. There she was handcuffed to a chair, interrogated several times, photographed and fingerprinted. The INS agents informed her that she had been entered into the Special Registration database and must follow its procedures from now on. Five hours into the ordeal, she was released without an apology.

The Pakistani community in the United States is the largest group affected by this program, and the new laws have had a strong impact on its members. Pakistan`s very inclusion on the list has been troubling to many, given the country`s unstinting efforts on behalf of the U.S. war on terrorism. ``We take more losses [in the war] than everyone put together,`` said Dr. Asad Hayauddin, press attache at the Pakistan Embassy in Washington, ``The [religious] hard-liners in Pakistan say, you`re cooperating and getting kicked in the teeth. It`s embarrassing for the government.``

The Pakistani community, a target of the Bush immigration policy since September 11th, has likely been hit the hardest. In Midwood, Brooklyn, the largest Pakistani neighborhood in New York City, stores closed down as owners, employees, and customers were detained, went back to Pakistan, attempted to seek refuge in Canada, or left the community for other reasons. Those that were turned away at the Canadian border were often detained by American immigration officials, their families left to live in shelters and emergency housing.

inbred retardo..Do you support Dubya`s policies in the war on terror..including the policy of deporting people most likely to be islamic terrorists?

Pakistanis continue to face 9/11 fallout

By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, July 10: Pakistan and Bangladesh top the list of the countries whose citizens were targeted for deportation since the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, show the most recent statistics released by the Department of Homeland Security.

“In terms of the percentage of growth, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi are the highest,” says Aarti Shahani of Families for Freedom, a New York-based immigrants’ advocacy group. “Mexicans and the Central Americans, however, continue to be the largest ethnic groups targeted for deportation because of their sheer numbers. They outnumber all other immigrant groups in the US.”

Before 9/11, Pakistan and Bangladesh were not even among the top 12 immigrant groups who regularly faced deportation. But after 9/11, when Muslims became prime suspects for terrorist attacks, the situation changed drastically.

Ms Shahani, however, warns that this alarming situation is not shown in the statistics released by the DHS. “The statistics are deceptively low because they do not include voluntary departures while many immigrants facing deportation proceedings agree to go home voluntarily after spending some time in prison,” she said.

For instance, in 2002, 1,444 Pakistanis were selected for deportation but official statistics show only 812 deportations. Majority of them chose to go home voluntarily and many were sent to Pakistan by special flights.

Similarly, in 2003 as many as 4,083 Pakistanis were selected for deportation but the official data shows only 828 deportations. In 2002 also, the majority agreed to go home and many were put on special flights.

The Pakistani Embassy in Washington also played a key role in arranging voluntary departures. Embassy officials regularly visited US jails after 9/11 and helped convince Pakistanis inmates to go home rather than staying in prison and wasting their hard-earned money on litigation while the end result was still going to be deportation. The Bangladeshis faced a similar situation.

But even these “deceptively low” statistics show a clear bias against the Pakistanis, says Ms Shahani who worked with a large number of immigrants in Jackson Heights, New York. Among those targeted for deportation, there were more Pakistanis than Arabs although all the suspects in the 9/11 hijackings were Arabs, said Ms Shahani.

She observed that in some cases in Jackson Heights, there were Pakistanis and Afghans living in the same building and sharing the same businesses and yet when immigration officials came, they went for the Pakistanis, sparing other ethnic groups. “Pakistanis are overwhelmingly more targeted than Afghans and Arabs, probably for political reasons,” said Ms Shahani.

inbred retard: most Indians support Dubya`s policy of fighting terrorism by deporting pakis..

Immigration crackdown shatters Muslims` lives
A plane filled with deportees provides a glimpse into an initiative aimed at men from Islamic nations. Justified in the name of security, it hasn`t yielded a single public charge of terrorism.

By Cam Simpson, Flynn McRoberts and Liz Sly
Tribune staff reporters
Published November 16, 2003

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- The 75 passengers on the Icelandair jet sat strapped to their seats, cloth bands cinching their arms to their waists for all but the final descent of the three-leg, 20-hour flight.

Struggling to feed themselves, they spilled rice and meat onto the floor of the cabin. A trip to the bathroom required the escort of a federal agent.

After the plane screeched to a halt in the sweltering July heat, U.S. officials herded the men off the jet and onto the soil of their native Pakistan. The purpose of the flight: deportation. Why them? Their nationality.

Some of the men had been jailed for months before they were tossed out of America. Some had been convicted of crimes. All had been in the U.S. illegally. But the chief reason many were singled out is they were from one of the Muslim countries targeted by American officials trying to foil another Sept. 11.