Rethinking Foreign Policy -- Can Pakistan and India Agree?

India has nothing to do with Pakistan. Rather, Pakistan is seen as problem for the entire civilised world. China is using Pakistan as pet dog against India, as it is in troubled waters regarding Tibbet. Islamic problem in India is also problem for other countries. It is not isolation ( Burma, Thailand, Philipines, UK, Germany, Spain, Britain, France...).

Pakistan Army unfairly blamed for the Jessore Massacre: CALCUTTA TELEGRAPH







http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060319/asp/look/story_5969733.asp

The truth about the Jessore massacre
The massacre may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists, reports Sarmila Bose

BITTER TRUTH: Civilians massacred in Jessore in 1971 — but by whom?

RECOGNITION DENIED: Father and son killed in Dhaka in 1971
The bodies lie strewn on the ground. All are adult men, in civilian clothes. A uniformed man with a rifle slung on his back is seen on the right. A smattering of onlookers stand around, a few appear to be working, perhaps to remove the bodies.

The caption of the photo is just as grim as its content: ‘April 2, 1971: Genocide by the Pakistan Occupation Force at Jessore.’ It is in a book printed by Bangladeshis trying to commemorate the victims of their liberation war.

It is a familiar scene. There are many grisly photographs of dead bodies from 1971, published in books, newspapers and websites.

Reading another book on the 1971 war, there was that photograph again — taken from a slightly different angle, but the bodies and the scene of the massacre were the same. But wait a minute! The caption here reads: ‘The bodies of businessmen murdered by rebels in Jessore city.’

The alternative caption is in The East Pakistan Tragedy, by L.F. Rushbrook Williams, written in 1971 before the independence of Bangladesh. Rushbrook Williams is strongly in favour of the Pakistan government and highly critical of the Awami League. However, he was a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, had served in academia and government in India, and with the BBC and The Times. There was no reason to think he would willfully mislabel a photo of a massacre.

And so, in a bitter war where so many bodies had remained unclaimed, here is a set of murdered men whose bodies are claimed by both sides of the conflict! Who were these men? And who killed them?

It turns out that the massacre in Jessore may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists.

It is but one incident, but illustrative of the emerging reality that the conflict in 1971 in East Pakistan was a lot messier than most have been led to believe. Pakistan’s military regime did try to crush the Bengali rebellion by force, and many Bengalis did die for the cause of Bangladesh’s independence. Yet, not every allegation hurled against the Pakistan army was true, while many crimes committed in the name of Bengali nationalism remain concealed.

Once one took a second look, some of the Jessore bodies are dressed in salwar kameez — an indication that they were either West Pakistanis or ‘Biharis’, the non-Bengali East Pakistanis who had migrated from northern India.

As accounts from the involved parties — Pakistan, Bangladesh and India — tend to be highly partisan, it was best to search for foreign eye witnesses, if any. My search took me to newspaper archives from 35 years ago. The New York Times carried the photo on April 3, 1971, captioned: ‘East Pakistani civilians, said to have been slain by government soldiers, lie in Jessore square before burial.’ The Washington Post carried it too, right under its masthead: ‘The bodies of civilians who East Pakistani sources said were massacred by the Pakistani army lie in the streets of Jessore.’ “East Pakistani sources said”, and without further investigation, these august newspapers printed the photo.

In fact, if the Americans had read The Times of London of April 2 and Sunday Times of April 4 or talked to their British colleagues, they would have had a better idea of what was happening in Jessore. In a front-page lead article on April 2 entitled ‘Mass Slaughter of Punjabis in East Bengal,’ The Times war correspondent Nicholas Tomalin wrote an eye-witness account of how he and a team from the BBC programme Panorama saw Bengali troops and civilians march 11 Punjabi civilians to the market place in Jessore where they were then massacred. “Before we were forced to leave by threatening supporters of Shaikh Mujib,” wrote Tomalin, “we saw another 40 Punjabi “spies” being taken towards the killing ground…”

Tomalin followed up on April 4 in Sunday Times with a detailed description of the “mid-day murder” of Punjabis by Bengalis, along with two photos — one of the Punjabi civilians with their hands bound at the Jessore headquarters of the East Pakistan Rifles (a Bengal formation which had mutinied and was fighting on the side of the rebels), and another of their dead bodies lying in the square. He wrote how the Bengali perpetrators tried to deceive them and threatened them, forcing them to leave. As other accounts also testify, the Bengali “irregulars” were the only ones in central Jessore that day, as the Pakistan government forces had retired to their cantonment.

Though the military action had started in Dhaka on March 25 night, most of East Pakistan was still out of the government’s control. Like many other places, “local followers of Sheikh Mujib were in control” in Jessore at that time. Many foreign media reported the killings and counter-killings unleashed by the bloody civil war, in which the army tried to crush the Bengali rebels and Bengali nationalists murdered non-Bengali civilians.

Tomalin records the local Bengalis’ claim that the government soldiers had been shooting earlier and he was shown other bodies of people allegedly killed by army firing. But the massacre of the Punjabi civilians by Bengalis was an event he witnessed himself. Tomalin was killed while covering the Yom Kippur war of 1973, but his eye-witness accounts solve the mystery of the bodies of Jessore.

There were, of course, genuine Bengali civilian victims of the Pakistan army during 1971. Chandhan Sur and his infant son were killed on March 26 along with a dozen other men in Shankharipara, a Hindu area in Dhaka. The surviving members of the Sur family and other residents of Shankharipara recounted to me the dreadful events of that day. Amar, the elder son of the dead man, gave me a photo of his father and brother’s bodies, which he said he had come upon at a Calcutta studio while a refugee in India. The photo shows a man’s body lying on his back, clad in a lungi, with the infant near his feet.

Amar Sur’s anguish about the death of his father and brother (he lost a sister in another shooting incident) at the hands of the Pakistan army is matched by his bitterness about their plight in independent Bangladesh. They may be the children of a ‘shaheed,’ but their home was declared ‘vested property’ by the Bangladesh government, he said, in spite of documents showing that it belonged to his father. Even the Awami League — support for whom had cost this Hindu locality so many lives in 1971 — did nothing to redress this when they formed the government.

In the book 1971: documents on crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan army and their agents in Bangladesh during 1971, published by the Liberation War Museum, Dhaka, I came across the same photo of the Sur father and son’s dead bodies. It is printed twice, one a close-up of the child only, with the caption: ‘Innocent women were raped and then killed along with their children by the barbarous Pakistan Army’. Foreigners might just have mistaken the ‘lungi’ worn by Sur for a ‘saree’, but surely Bangladeshis can tell a man in a ‘lungi’ when they see one! And why present the same ‘body’ twice?

The contradictory claims on the photos of the dead of 1971 reveal in part the difficulty of recording a messy war, but also illustrate vividly what happens when political motives corrupt the cause of justice and humanity. The political need to spin a neat story of Pakistani attackers and Bengali victims made the Bengali perpetrators of the massacre of Punjabi civilians in Jessore conceal their crime and blame the army. The New York Times and The Washington Post “bought” that story too. The media’s reputation is salvaged in this case by the even-handed eye-witness reports of Tomalin in The Times and Sunday Times.

As for the hapless Chandhan Sur and his infant son, the political temptation to smear the enemy to the maximum by accusing him of raping and killing women led to Bangladeshi nationalists denying their own martyrs their rightful recognition. In both cases, the true victims —Punjabis and Bengalis, Hindus and Muslims — were cast aside, their suffering hijacked, by political motivations of others that victimised them a second time around.

Since Injuns here are always looking for their Amrikan masters` approval :


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11902379/site/newsweek/

PROMISE IN PAKISTAN

By Ron Moreau
Newsweek International
March 27, 2006 issue - In the late 1990s Lahore-based businessman Iqbal Ahmed was depressed. Pakistan was isolated internationally and in the grip of a deep recession, and his modest, liquefied-petroleum-gas operation didn`t seem to be going anywhere. ``I used to get up and say, `What the hell, it`s another day`,`` he recalls. ``Now I can`t wait for the day to begin. I see a very bright future

Ahmed has good reason to be optimistic. Two years ago he signed a deal with Houston`s Hanover Energy Co. that has helped transform his LPG extraction plant into the largest and most efficient in Pakistan, with revenues last year of $130 million. Backed by several international investors, Ahmed has bid some $400 million to buy a controlling interest in Southern Sui Gas, one of two state-owned gas production and distribution companies that are being privatized. And he recently signed a memorandum of understanding with Excelerate Energy of Houston to import liquefied natural gas into Pakistan in supertankers. ``We`re enjoying a sea change in economic conditions and opportunities,`` says Ahmed, 60. ``Pakistan is open for business.``

The proof is in the numbers. Last year the country`s GDP growth rate hit 8.4 percent, the world`s second highest behind China, following two years of solid 6 percent growth. This year the economy is predicted to expand by nearly 7 percent. After years of instability, with the government and military trying to distract people from their economic woes by waging jihad in Kashmir and railing against neighboring India, a true middle class is now developing. Economic reforms have given the government money to invest in health and education, and foreign investors are eying Pakistan for the first time. In many ways the country has become the world`s most surprising economic success story.

It`s a heady turnaround for a nation that, in the late 1990s, was practically a failed state with near-zero GDP growth. Because of its headlong pursuit of nuclear weapons, Pakistan had become the world`s most sanctioned nation after Libya. International aid had dried up. The government was forced to borrow at exorbitant short-term rates, burdening the country with a crushing $38 billion debt. ``We were in a real soup when [Gen. Pervez] Musharraf took over,`` says Ziauddin (he uses only one name), the Islamabad editor of the Dawn newspaper.

One of Musharraf`s first and smartest moves after his 1999 coup was to appoint Shaukat Aziz, a dapper and urbane international banker, as his economic czar, and to give him a free hand to revive the economy. But what really turned the country`s fortunes around was September 11. ``The 9/11 attack was the best thing that ever happened to Pakistan,`` says Lahore-based businessman Salmaan Taseer. The United States and Europe immediately lifted all sanctions; Washington gave Pakistan $600 million outright to meet urgent debt payments, and forgave another $1.5 billion in debt. Working with Aziz, America and other creditor nations also rescheduled Pakistan`s heavy debt over a manageable 30 to 35 years. In 2004, the United States pledged $3 billion in economic and military assistance over the next five years, in addition to $100 million for education reform. The EU pitched in, lifting quota restrictions on Pakistan`s main export, textiles.


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Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Restoring Pakistan`s Economy



At the same time, Aziz, who is now prime minister, began enacting a series of common-sense economic reforms. They focused on boosting fiscal discipline, government transparency and accountability. He quickly cut the budget deficit from 8 percent to 4 percent by slashing spending, and lowered interest rates. Since 2002, he has increased tax revenues by 20 percent. He also instituted a sweeping privatization program that has won kudos from both domestic and foreign investors. State-owned companies in numerous industries¡ªbanking, cement, fertilizer, utilities¡ªhave been sold off, as has a chunk of the state`s inefficient telecom giant, PTCL.


The newly privatized and cash-flush banks have been on a lending spree, extending loans to capital-starved domestic businessmen and to the Pakistani middle class, which until 2002 had little access to consumer credit. People have snapped up credit cards, and are buying cars and other big-ticket products with easy-credit bank loans. ``This is the best government we`ve had in the past 30 years,`` says prominent Lahore businessman Syed Babar Ali, who heads some of the country`s biggest joint-venture companies, including Coca-Cola and Nestl¨¦.

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Foreign investors have been flocking to Pakistan to bid on privatizations and on licenses in the newly opened telecom sector. The sale of two cellular-phone licenses (won by U.A.E. and Norwegian companies) netted the government nearly $600 million. It`s a good investment as Pakistan, with 24 million cell-phone users, is now the world`s fastest-growing wireless market after China. Indeed, Pakistan is expected to receive upwards of $3 billion in foreign investment this year, largely in telecom and gas and oil exploration. The Karachi Stock Exchange recently hit a record high.

Bullish domestic investors, too, are snapping up telecom licenses and state assets. Businessman Taseer raised $40 million from Pakistani banks and $25 million from a U.S. venture-capital company in two months as part of his successful bid for a wireless license. He is also building a 350-room Hyatt hotel and shopping-mall complex in Lahore with $40 million in debt and equity that he organized from domestic banks and investors in just six weeks. ``This would have been inconceivable before,`` says Taseer, 50, a cigar-smoking tycoon who publishes the Daily Times newspaper and is constructing Lahore`s tallest office building. ``Not long ago, we would have waited at least three years to get a loan from an international bank. In the last two years there has been more economic activity in Pakistan than in the past 50.``

Even Pakistan`s nascent technology sector¡ªdwarfed by India`s¡ªseems to be taking off. Salim Ghauri, the CEO of Lahore-based NetSol Technologies, says his company`s software revenues this year are expected to jump to $19 million, compared with last year`s $11 million. DaimlerChrysler uses Ghauri`s LeaseSoft auto-leasing and financing software in its operations in eight Asian countries, and Toyota uses it in Thailand and China. ``We are competing with the best in the world, and we are coming out on top,`` says Ghauri, 51, who set up NetSol in 1996 after he returned from working as an IT consultant in Australia.

Still, all is not rosy. Pakistan must modernize its creaky infrastructure, further improve tax collection and, most important, normalize economic relations with India. Government critics say the current boom is not benefiting the country`s poorest citizens, who make up more than one third of its 160 million people. ``The rich have become very rich since 9/11, and the middle class is better off, but not the mass of Pakistanis,`` says Dawn`s Ziauddin. Aziz counters that a recent government-sponsored survey indicates that the country`s heady growth has reduced the number of Pakistanis living below the poverty line from one third to a quarter of the population (interview).

Some bankers and economists warn that the economy is dangerously overheating, due to unsustainable consumer demand and easy credit to both industrialists and consumers. Aziz and the government dismiss the concern¡ªbut consumers and the private sector have borrowed more money from the banks in the past two years than they had in the previous 12. Critics argue that growth-spawned inflation, which hit a high of 11 percent one year ago and is running this year at 8.5 percent, is a big reason the poor are not benefiting from the boom. ``Inflation is clearly eroding the purchasing power of the poor,`` says a foreign banker in Islamabad. This year the price of sugar is up by 26 percent; wheat and potatoes, by 15 percent.


RELATED ARTICLE
Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Restoring Pakistan`s Economy



According to the foreign banker, who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of his comments, ``The government is running the [economy] like it`s heading for elections.`` True: President Musharraf and Aziz areeying the crucial 2007 parliamentary elections. Organized political opposition to Musharraf is rising, and he and Aziz are hoping that an economic resurgence will persuade average voters to return them to power for another five years. That`s what most businessmen are hoping for, too. But if the rewards of the boom don`t start trickling down, the country`s runaway growth could ironically prove to be the government`s undoing.

inbred retard: happy navroz..

Looks like your homeboy is doing a lot in India..

Dell to Double Workforce in India

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By SARITHA RAI
Published: March 20, 2006

BANGALORE, India, Mar. 20 — Dell, the world`s largest maker of personal computers, plans to double its employee strength in India to 20,000, and is scouting for a site to set up a manufacturing unit in the country, its chairman, Michael Dell, said today.

YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY THINK THAT BEHRAM IS BASED IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. HE IS A FAKE,
HE IS BASED IN PAKISTAN AND BY A CAREFULL LOOK AT ALL HIS POSTS YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE OUT WHO HE IS.

A man went into a cafe, ordered a milkshake and then realised he had to go to the bathroom. Worried that someone might steal his drink, he took a paper napkin and wrote on it, “World’s Strongest Weightlifter.”

Leaving the warning under the glass he disappeared into the men’s room. When he returned a few minutes later, the glass was empty and under it was a new napkin with a new message that said, “World’s Fastest Runner.”

I wish Pakistan also had runners and athletes like that, for our team at the ongoing Commonwealth Games is being badly beaten. Only yesterday alone, we lost every event of the day and with “flying colours’, I mean the colour flew off the face of our team manager every time the results were announced. The loosing spree of our helpless warriors seems to continue to the end, and I foresee a Doomsday scenario when it eventually comes to the final award distribution.

Having already bagged quite a bulk of gold, our Indian neighbours as usual stand out victorious and a million times better than us. It is not just the Commonwealth Games that India has successfully managed to eclipse our image of “born sportsmen” as we once used to be, it has outplayed us on almost every count. See diplomacy for instance. Do we stand a chance against India on any issue, leave alone Kashmir?

More...

Behram sahib,

Some sugarcane to chew on. A white Texan who likes the horrible creatures who have their brains between their legs.

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/mar/20dell.htm

Computer maker Dell expects to double the company`s headcount in India to 20,000 over the next three years, its Founder and Chairman Michael S Dell said on Monday.

Happy chewing.

Regards

RE:#640

Khamkhwa Sahib

ps: pakistan whips india 4-1...in the commonwealth hockey match...

Congratulations.

Medals tally till today

India 8 G, 6S, 1B
Pakistan 0G, OS, 1B

Regards

for americans, paki = terrorist..

Father and son removed from flight

By Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, March 19: A Pakistani and his son have filed a complaint with US federal officials claiming they were removed from a flight because of their appearance. Fazal Khan, 59, and Mohammed Khan, 28, boarded a SkyWest Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Oakland, California, on Jan 31, 2006, wearing white skullcaps, tunics and loose trousers. Both men also have long beards.

Attorney Shirin Sinnar of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights in San Francisco said the men had been told to leave their seats before the flight took off and escorted back to the terminal.

“They were essentially told, ‘You can’t take this flight because the flight attendant is uncomfortable’,” the lawyer said.

The men took a later flight to San Francisco International Airport. SkyWest, a regional feeder airline, operates some flights booked with the United Express service of United Airlines.

United Airlines spokesman Jeff Green said the company was investigating the complaint. Utah-based SkyWest is responsible for staff on the aircraft, he said.

Re: # 661

Beharam:

Is the following your answer to my questions: {Yes I do want to challenge your authenticity. While at it please explain for everyone`s benefits:

(a) to what kind of leadership you had provided to Pakistani-Hindus?;

(b) is there a public access of the city hall records of your public oratory on immirgation issues, and issues concerning other minorities?}


``Kapoora brains, if you want to politics, then do play politics till your heart desires. My City is the bastion of democrats, and you will have no problem in getting your kind over here. Gays and lesbians are in abundance and you can even find a home to live in.

All hindoos have known is gaali and budmashi and I can dish out the same. Your hindooland is corrupt and the whole world knows that.

Now ya`ll can kiss my @ss.``


Regarding your ardent support of Bush and his policy in Iraq.
Do you believe ``Jinnah, woould have supported Bush`s Iraq policy?``

Thank you,
Anil Kapuria

Re: # 661

Beharam:

Is the following your answer to my questions: {Yes I do want to challenge your authenticity. While at it please explain for everyone`s benefits:

(a) to what kind of leadership you had provided to Pakistani-Hindus?;

(b) is there a public access of the city hall records of your public oratory on immirgation issues, and issues concerning other minorities?}


``Kapoora brains, if you want to politics, then do play politics till your heart desires. My City is the bastion of democrats, and you will have no problem in getting your kind over here. Gays and lesbians are in abundance and you can even find a home to live in.

All hindoos have known is gaali and budmashi and I can dish out the same. Your hindooland is corrupt and the whole world knows that.

Now ya`ll can kiss my @ss.``


Regarding your ardent support of Bush and his policy in Iraq.
Do you believe ``Jinnah, woould have supported Bush`s Iraq policy?``

Thank you,
Anil Kapuria

#664 by ballukhan on March 19, 2006 9:03am PT

No..words on the internet have a way of coming back and biting people in the rear..

consider the case of Joseph Steffen..

He said some things about the mayor of baltimore on what he thought was an anonymous website. That series of event will now follow him wherever he goes.

I am sure the real Behram would deny all the besharami of the fictitious Behram1.......

If anyone needs behram`s home address and telephone number, you can go to the following site, and type in his name - Behram Atashband, and the city - Austin, TX.

You can even get a list of his immediate neighbours and their addresses and phone numbers.

I think this is one way to find out if this piece of garbage is that Behram Atashband or not.

Re:#658 by rsridhar on March 18, 2006 8:38pm PT

{re:#644 by behram1
Ma@adar chowdh,
You cannot be with USA if u are full of racial hatred and hate black people.
Your a$$ needs to be whipped into shape.
Sridhar}

O! this is exactly how your nani used to talk in the chakla where your mother was sold. You h@r@@mi ki aulad.

{#657 by rsridhar on March 18, 2006 8:36pm PT
re:#642 by behram1
I am going to forward all your hate mails to everyone of any standing in your area. Let us see how u can face the Indian community.
Sridhar}

And please do. See if you can make a difference in this hate mongering community to hate somebody, just like your Gandhi started his politics of hate.

Hindoos are only used to hate something and not want something. And that is what ya`ll are all about.

Trying to terrorize me and you think that there is no law and order in this country. Terrorists of all kinds are being carefully watched, including hindoo terrorists. And you are a hindoo terrorist.

All the hindoo sperm eaters are at it again. What rubbish are these hate mongers spreading? Hindoos have nothing else to do but to gather on this Chowk and spew hate one after the other, and when it comes to working for the American people we see none of them. All these hindoos in the US do is collect money and send home for the RSS to kill innocent muslims and christians, and other minorities.

None of the original argument presented has been argued upon by the hindoos, except for hate and more hate. That is what hindoos from India are doing. They say why are they referred to as Hindoos of India. The reason being only Hindoos from India were unscrupolously brought here on H1-B visas. Most (nay all) of the tech code coolies are hindoos. The US has been infested with hindoos. These creatures are hard for enlightened humans to understand.

And they are the ones who are spreading hatred in the US against the Muslims and Pakistanis.

Kapoora brains, if you want to politics, then do play politics till your heart desires. My City is the bastion of democrats, and you will have no problem in getting your kind over here. Gays and lesbians are in abundance and you can even find a home to live in.

All hindoos have known is gaali and budmashi and I can dish out the same. Your hindooland is corrupt and the whole world knows that.

Now ya`ll can kiss my @ss.

There is no point acting like a deraged Alsatian dog for your master barking all the time and abusing other communities , threatening violence against them....as I said the mindset of the educated Pakistanis that it is in some sort of a perpetual war with the Indians (=Hondoos) has to change .............as if IM-s are part of their war-alliance against India..........only then can we get this mullah -military combine out of Pakistan and hope to put Pakistan in the path towards modernity......................

Besharam is obviously a rascal communalist who should be kicked back to Pakistan............

re:#644 by behram1
Ma@adar chowdh,
You cannot be with USA if u are full of racial hatred and hate black people.
Your a$$ needs to be whipped into shape.
Sridhar

re:#642 by behram1
I am going to forward all your hate mails to everyone of any standing in your area. Let us see how u can face the Indian community.
Sridhar

Re: # 654

Anil, my man... don`t take chowk and chowkies that seriously...... don`t waste your time on Behram, the retard....:)))

From ahmadzai`s ilogs.

From ahmadzai`s ilogs
Sorry ahmadzai but can`t help to appreciate your truthfulness.

I second you.
March 17, 2006

Who owns Chowk?

I received an email that why I have disappeared from the site. A less important reason being that it is very difficult to get time on PC at home given that children are growing and give quite a fierce competition for time on the net. otoh, I really feel guilty in posting messages during work hours.

The more important reason has been that I got a little annoyed after I realized that this site is owned / co-owned by arjun_m. It occurred to me during exchange of messages on one topic last month. Previously, I was all in favor of letting SOB’s like him express their views on this site for it was all fun and frolic. But I am yet to find a single post from him that contributes positively to this site. This Indian fanatic is a sick mind. If he were a participant only, he would have been thrown out of this site long time ago. But he and his ilk continue. This proves that he is the owner or co-owner of this site.

To me he is a sadist. He believes that Pakistanis have been comprehensively beaten by India in all aspects. A good winner would then let it go. But he is here, night and day, in season and out of season, humiliating the “defeated” lot. This reminds me of this ruthless killer sentenced last year, who used to kill his little child victims in agony and pain. The last child he killed, was by choking him by putting a polythene wrapper on his head. The bastard actually enjoyed watching the little boy die in pain due to slow suffocation. This is an exact equivalent of arjun_m.

Only in this case, Pakistani children are putting up some fight.

But in the first place, children were supposed to be here not for putting a fight to the ruthless killers, but to play tag, hide and seek and enjoy various amusement rides.

If my assumption on ownership of this site is incorrect, can Chowk staff please tell me what is the value addition of this a*shole arjun_m and his ilk on this site. How many exchanges of any constructive value has he entered into with Pakistanis? What has he been able to teach us the ‘defeated’ lot?

Re: # 647

Behram:

Your invectives only show the quality of leadership that you can provide. BTW, please keep these invectives to yourself. If you want to play fair and square as the adversary, it is a fair game in democracy. There is no religion mentioned in my write up, and never would . Obviously there would never be any invectives. Hope you would be decent enought to reciprocate.

Yes I do want to challenge your authenticity. While at it please explain for everyone`s benefits:

(a) to what kind of leadership you had provided to Pakistani-Hindus?;

(b) is there a public access of the city hall records of your public oratory on immirgation issues, and issues concerning other minorities?

Anil Kapuria


For others:
Please contact me (anilkapuria@yahoo.com), if you want to organize to dislodge this guy from the immigration council, and to defeat his attempts to geet elected to the city council. Someone should investigate how he got the minority status.

I have nothing like this persons credentials, but certainly have hosted John Kerry at my home, done fund raisers for Bush Sr., and raised and contributed funds for India Study Chair at University of California, Berkely. Also, I have decent contacts with the Indian Media in the U.S. to bring this guiy out of the closet.

Anil Kapuria

#652 by behram1 on March 18, 2006 1:54pm PT

Inbred retardo...do you stand by what your said about the country the pentagon thinks is a big threat to America?

#190 by behram1 on January 29, 2006 6:35am PT



Birds of a feather flock together. If China does great, Pakistanis feel they are doing great. And in effect, Pakistanis are doing great.

Bipolar Factoid Junkie Choutia,

Do you also belong to the hindoo tribe having kapoora brains?

Read my post one more time. Unlike you and your hindoo brethren, I have always supported my adopted homeland.

Can you get it? or do you want some more sugar canes up your openings?

Re#645 by anil on March 18, 2006 10:43am PT

kapoora brains:

{He now calls himself aa Bush supporter, and does not care about Jinnah as much.}

This is how you small kappora works, you born ugly hindoo idiot. How does loving G.W.Bush goy anything to do with caring about M.A. Jinnah.

Get your F*ckung head out of some hindutva`s head.

its really getting frustrating, and irritating....


EVERY Topic and I mean In Every topic.....!!


Question: Why are these Indians Jumping up and down...
A gang of these indians not only posts similiar .... But some time the Same post
in any topic they find.... with the word.... no no not just the word... But a hint to the Word Muslim or Pakistani.....!!

Now this is really irritating...!!

We visit chowk to enjoy a good discussion, not this hate filled, troll stuff.... not in One or two But in every TOPIC......while the Indians GANG up...or may be they belong to an organization whose sole purpose is to `` INFLAME `` .....some Pakistanis retaliate....mostly out of this frustration....

Its really a waste of good bandwidth.... and will drive away any good debate... as every Topic and I really Mean every Topic becomes a Mud slinging Match....
with the Organizational gangs of Indians....at one end... and a lone or two pakistanis at the other end....


I mean the Editors should really look into it....!! ...its not good.... Not good...

hello inbred retardo...looks like you`re changing your tune now..

Remember this

#190 by behram1 on January 29, 2006 6:35am PT


Birds of a feather flock together. If China does great, Pakistanis feel they are doing great. And in effect, Pakistanis are doing great.

Now, In Dubya`s words...Are you with America or with China(and it`s buddy, Pakiland)....

#644 by behram1 on March 18, 2006 10:36am PT


Totally with America.

How about you?


I`m with America and against China(and it`s allies)...you, otoh, were telling us how china is your friend...

Re#645 by anil on March 18, 2006 10:43am PT

Anil Kapuria:

As your name suggests, your brains are in the kapura that you are.

You have attacked me. Being a coward that you are, you use others while denigrading me. If you had any shame, (which you have none) you would not involve others in the same post.

You will never have the B@lls to be such a man, because that is all taken up by your name.

You are shameless, and you know that.

This is what happened to most hindoos of this chowk:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1215791,00.html

Charity Founder Jailed
Updated: 15:17, Saturday March 18, 2006

Two Britons have been convicted of sexually abusing boys at a shelter for street children in India.

Charity worker Duncan Grant - who set up the project in Mumbai with funds raised in Britain - and retired naval officer Allan Waters were each jailed for six years.

They had been charged with child sex abuse and engaging in unnatural acts with children and were found guilty by a court on Saturday.

Both men were also fined £20,000 each.

William D`souza, an Indian man who managed the home, was also found guilty of aiding and abetting the crime. He was sentenced to three years in prison and fined.

The court heard he had beaten children to prevent the abuse being revealed.

Judge PS Paranjape said: ``The judgement should go some way to ensure India is wiped out from the map of people who indulge in sexual abuse of children.``

Grant, 61, from Hampstead, north London, also ran children`s charities in Tanzania.

He had set up Anchorage Shelters which looked after around 90 boys aged eight to 18.

Waters, 58, from Portchester, Hampshire, who was also an officer at the Sea Cadet centre in Portsmouth, was a frequent visitor.

The abuse came to light when a 15-year-old boy made a complaint about sexual and physical abuse.

Four other boys made similar claims.

Grant and Waters fled Bombay after the allegations were made.

Grant had been in police custody since June last year when he arrived from London and formally surrendered before a Bombay court on the advice of his lawyers.

Waters was arrested at New York`s John F Kennedy airport three years ago and extradited to India.

Re: # 562

Netizen:

This guy is an example of poor quality of leadership among minorities in Pakistan. From what he spews here about Hindoos (who are in minorities in the U.S.), and then he claims to have fought for minorities in Pakistan (including minoritiy hindus). This hardly shows a quality of a leader. This man will change like a chamelion with the wind. He lives in Bush country, he gets his business being a minority businessperson, and whips minorities (other competitors) to get his business. He now wants to get elected on the minotiry platform to an elected body. Enough flags for minorities to be careful about him. He now calls himself aa Bush supporter, and does not care about Jinnah as much. Minorities need real leaders, like Martin Luther King who have a courage to stand up. Not him. Anyone who has genuine minority interest in mind should ensure he is thrown off the immigration council, and never gets elected to the city council to represent them. I am sure if you pull out his sayings in the immegration council, and city council. His chamelion nature will come out cleaarly.

However, I can say that Yasser and his wife can be a true leader for Pakistan`s minorities. He has even tried to give them a direct voice on Chowk, by asking his friend to write his experiences as minority-hindu. I would truly request him, and the editor of the Chowk to invite a Pakistani Hindu to write a column and be an active participant on the Chowk.

Thank you,
Anil Kapuria

Re#643 by arjun_m on March 18, 2006 10:14am PT

Bipolar factoid junkie choutia:

{inbred retard...did you read the report I posted? The pentagon and America see China(Pakistan`s buddy) as the next big threat...

Are you with America or with China? }

Totally with America.

How about you?

#642 by behram1 on March 18, 2006 10:12am PT

inbred retard...did you read the report I posted? The pentagon and America see China(Pakistan`s buddy) as the next big threat...

Are you with America or with China?

Re:#628 by rsridhar on March 17, 2006 8:18pm PT

Ugly bhangi,

Actually it is you who is promoting hate on this Chowk. You even continue to mention about me on other sites where I have posted nothing. You are continuously sprawling on all sites and you put your ridiculous hate posts. You have some tingling between your legs, and think maybe it is me, crawling up behind you to penetrate up your ugly @ss.

{You are full of hate. } No rsridhar, it is you who is full of hate, and you know it.

{You still have not answered the question: why do u hate hindus? }

Actually, you are continously asking the same over and over again. My hatred is towards hindoos` attitude towards the American people and the way they behave in this country. Most Americans hate the hindoos, and I have repeated this on several sites.

{If u hate some persons in chowk, do not involve the whole community. }

And the same goes for you as well as Arjun. Does it not?

Change your posts and the comments you make and you will notice a marked difference in the quality of my posts. You do not even have an iota of my level of dignity. If you and your hindoos want respect then show respect to the Muslims and Pakistanis on this Chowk.

And that is all I have always asked for.

But, it seems quite clear that you and Arjun and other hindoos are on a mission on this chowk. Remember, it takes only one strong willed person like myself, to stand up against the propaganda that hindoos have permeated in the American society. I may not win, but I can surely create enough problems for all of your community in the public opinion in my city.

And that is why I want the free press that the other mindless Hindoo on this chowk was promoting on my behalf. If I get all the worst press from Hindoos that are themselves not liked by many in America, then I am doing something right for the American people.

But, you will not understand this intellect, because you have none. The thing that is in between your legs are so small that you will have to scratch it to be able to find out what is going on in this modern world. And you consider that thing as your brains.

{BTW, i am very aware of the distinction between an IM and a Paki muslim.
For starters, i am not aware of even one IM who has been caught up with Al-Qaida or involved in global jehad. }

And your point is what? I have been known in my community to implement the stringent immigration policy we can all muster. And that is the main reason that I started this immigration thread on this chowk. There must be complete parity in immigration from all nations. And no more shenanigans of bringing in people for worker visa whether it is H1-B or guest worker, etc.

Look at what kind of rubbish has been brought into the US from India. Congress was told that there is a labor shortage in manufacturing by Intel, Cypress Semiconductore, etc., and Congress foolishly agreed to over 65,000 H1-B visas. But the Indian human smugglers brought in all those techies who have no idea as to what an electronics board looks like.

And this is basically fraud that the MNCs promote in Congress, but others take advantage of bringing dirt cheap labor into the US.

Further, in the latest edition of BW, in its main editorial has acknowledge that growth productivity of American worker has gone down. Now, if these Hindoo techies are such productive workers for the American economy, then why is the American productivity going down?

You will not be able to answer that, because

a) it takes brains that you have none
b) it takes brains at the right place, which yours is not
c) you are a dumn $hit hindoo
d) you are a hindutva
e) you are a hate monger,

And the main reason is that you have no love for the American people and your adopted homeland.

(...will you send a letter of recommendation to your Indian Community in my City for starting a campaign to raise at least $150,000 for me to run for my city council race.)
You must be kidding!
Send u a LOR after u have spewed all the hatred. No wonder hindus shy away from u. You are just a despicable creature. )

No, I am not kidding about asking for donations. Hindoos like you are a dime a dozen, and that is all the reason that my ranting is towards the betterment of my city, where a huge majority some 99% still do love America.

It is only the hindoos, who are hate mongers and are continously spreading hate. Chowk is just only one vehicle.

Your hindoo charade is quite obvious to all who understand human behavior, and most American do understand. Otherwise why would hindoos indulge in money laudering scheme?

DM,

I have always been impressed with your writings.

This one is both timely and accurate.

There is a sense of urgency on this (Kashmir) issue that Indian

leaders may not have the luxury of overlooking.

This 58 year plus Cold War in South Asia has to end.

The only winner out of this war thus far has been the Gora!

Ras

ballukhan...
whatever you do...never forget the jaffry dude...that congress mp from ahmedabad who kept on calling the police to save him...;)

ps: pakistan whips india 4-1...in the commonwealth hockey match...

RE: 637, 636

Schizophrenic-half OxChick western aussie pussie psycho counsellor trolling all chowk forums after midnight to canvass for the other schizophrenic-half paki union leader ke aulad oz councillor.

Choo choo kutti - chale jaa - apne aussie forum me.

Fantastic communal spats on this site....................Pakis are on the top of this world in starting religious Jehads................no wonder they risk deportation from every Western Country..it is a good idea to BAN the Pakistanis from trying to export their TNT to other parts of the world..............

Khalid

Let me explain a few things to you. I do not know you personally (thankfully) however it is so obvious that there are issues which you need to address. There is no doubt in my mind that either you had a traumatic childhood or have had these beliefs reinforced as a child by someone or some people in your life.

When we are young, actually from when we are in the womb even, there is what you call sensitive periods. If we experience any trauma, and by trauma i mean, sexual, physical, psychological abuse, death of parents, divorced parents, living in war and the like, neurochemical and neuroanatomical changes occur in the brain. Research has shown and i could send you a list of excellent articles (peer-reviewed) that state the effects of childhood abuse in adulthood. Childhood abuse causes a variety of mental issues ranging from depression, psychosis, borderline personality disorder, OCD and much more.

The good thing is that with the correct help or medication you can be successfully treated (in most cases).

If on the other hand by continually reinforcement you `brainwashed` then it is a little bit more difficilt to rescue yourself from yourself. Again however, i would like to reinforce the idea to you that seeking the help of a psychologist or mental health professional is not negatively stigmatised.

Khalid loser

I have had a browse through all your postings and there doesnt appear to be anything new. You are constantly repeating yourself. Are you trying to convince yourself of your views or others?
From a psychological perspective and correct me if i am wrong (yes i am a psychologist) i sense you have quite a few issues which you need to deal with as soon as possible. As i mentioned i have had a browse through your postings and i see two issues. Firstly, i see attention-seeking behaviour. Were you abandoned as a child or were there too many siblings and your parents could not provide you with the attention you require? What happened that has caused you to have such low self esteem and worth? The hatred and resentment clearly depicts internal turmoil? People usually attack what they are threatened of. I honestly think you should find a psychologist/counsellor to talk to. The stigma associated with seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist is not as it used to be. People go to psychologists not only if they have mental issues but also to talk to have someone to listen to them

Re: # 625

Satyamwada it is very hurting when you say whacko panjabi`s but then i guess the truth hurts.

Reminds me of the time in 97 when IK Gujral was the PM he forbade Indian troops at Bana Post Siachen to fire on the paks. Result at Central India Horse`s 175th anniversery (we were civilian guests) we were rotundly abused by some infantry officer`s who had just arrived from a tour from Siachen I think they were from the Gurkha`s and the 2 Khalsa officers` of the battalion looked thru us and later justified ``we are Khalsa and Gurkha`` not Punjabi and thats all due to our lovely ``rafugee PM``.

Jokers like DM fall in the same category. If they love Pak so much they and all the Hindu and Sikh members of APNA who walked across from pre-partition India (or their families did) should now walk across to reaffirm their panjabiat to the Islamic Emirate of Punjab aka Pakland


Warm Regards
Sanatani
Regards

#631 by khamkhwa

[Re: # 599
... i could not find a single muslim name from the various names provided by mr ramanujan for reporting/fixing mr behram... could it be possible that muslims are not trusted in this holy war OR not a single muslim is considered fit to be on the list of any of the indian association...it`s just a thought...;)

Another one of many possibilities is that Hindus are way behind Muslims in secular behaviour...;)


[ps: keep on killing each other...]

Are you talking of the Shia-Sunni-Ahmadiya free-for-all in your country?..;)

Abe DM,

when I read this article I sincerely wondered why God had been so unkind to India and not made you (and your family as well in case they think like you) into a ``statistic`` of partition.

Apne mitr ki mrityu se bhe kuch shiksha nahin li.

No Regards to a traitor like you
Sanatani

[ps: keep on killing each other...]

How about 120 million likeminded pure believers on either side? That would make the world a lot safer.

Re: # 599
... i could not find a single muslim name from the various names provided by mr ramanujan for reporting/fixing mr behram... could it be possible that muslims are not trusted in this holy war OR not a single muslim is considered fit to be on the list of any of the indian association...it`s just a thought...;)


ps: keep on killing each other...

re:#625 by satyamvada
DM just can`t forget the good feudal style reception he got in Pakistan.
Pakis can corrupt u if u are not careful.
Sridhar

re:#623 by dost-mittar
Dawn is having wet dreams.
India never sees herself on the same side as Pakistan on anything. May be in a parallel universe, this is happening somewhere but not where we live.
Sridhar

re:#606 by behram1
Dude,
You are full of hate.
You still have not answered the question: why do u hate hindus?
If u hate some persons in chowk, do not involve the whole community.
BTW, i am very aware of the distinction between an IM and a Paki muslim.
For starters, i am not aware of even one IM who has been caught up with Al-Qaida or involved in global jehad.
My ire is against Paki muslims of certain kind.
(...will you send a letter of recommendation to your Indian Community in my City for starting a campaign to raise at least $150,000 for me to run for my city council race.)
You must be kidding!
Send u a LOR after u have spewed all the hatred. No wonder hindus shy away from u. You are just a despicable creature.
Sridhar

re:#599 by Ramanujan
Thanks.
I think we should give the dude sometime to improve.
If he continues to spew hatred, i think further steps or warranted.
Sridhar

re:#573 by mohar11
Thanks.
I stand corrected.
Alas, she is now married.
Looks like she married a Bong.
Sridhar

dost-mittar# 623


Sheesh...whats up with these whacko-punjabis !!

Pakiland is a thirdrate dictatorship, fountainhead of bigotry & terrorism - joint
strategy with such rogues ?
Go see your psychiatrist - Dost-Mitter.

Just because some Pakis eat similiar food to that of some Indians
(actually that is not fully true either) -
doesnt mean Pakis are intellectually/philosophically/ideologically compatible
with Indians.

Why should Indians be against the US ?
The US is a superpower, has technology, is a democracy and open-society, has
opened itself to Indan immigration, has strong business ties, has invested in India
and has helped Indian companies develop faster.
There is a lot that India and US share - why should Indians deal with the Terrorist
Islamic Republic of Pakistan. India should deal with Pakis only after they
stop their jihadi bullshit, civilize themselves and give up their obsession
with islam. When Pakis start following the Dara-Shikoh version of islam then
India can think of talking with the Paki state.

#623 by dost-mittar on March 17, 2006 5:15pm PT


``If the two South Asian states present a unified front against US pressure, it would not be easy for Washington to have its way on the issue.


Gee..Isn`t it funny how pakis now arrive at this joint strategy only after they`ve been smacked down in public...

Dawn seems to see merit in joint India-Pak strategy:

from today`s dawn:

``If the two South Asian states present a unified front against US pressure, it would not be easy for Washington to have its way on the issue. If they join hands with other like-minded governments on the issue — Russia and China do not share America’s views — they could successfully resist US pressure. This is possible only if the countries, which are more directly affected by the happenings in this region, develop a common approach on geo-strategic issues, energy matters and economic cooperation. A positive development is that steps have been taken to facilitate the participation of India in TAP (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan gas pipeline project). India, Pakistan and Iran already enjoy observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation which groups China, Russia and four Central Asian republics together under one banner. India has also requested that it be made a partner in the Qatar-Pakistan pipeline project and its participation is a possibility. By creating this energy network in the region, India and Pakistan would not only benefit themselves, they would also create a countervailing force against America’s unilateralism``

inbred retardo...It looks like the pentagon and the US government sees China(Pakiland`s buddy) as the next big threat...

Do you support the American policy of confronting China or, being a paki, are you a supporter of China?

Pentagon `hedge` strategy targets China
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 17, 2006
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The Pentagon is moving strategic bombers to Guam and aircraft carriers and submarines to the Pacific as part of a new ``hedge`` strategy aimed at preparing for conflict with China, Pentagon officials said yesterday.
Peter Rodman, assistant defense secretary for international security affairs, told a congressional commission that the response to the emerging military threat from China is part of the White House national security strategy made public yesterday.
Although U.S. relations with China are good, ``both sides understand very well that there is a potential for a conflict, particularly in the Taiwan Strait,`` Mr. Rodman said during a hearing of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.
China`s arms buildup in recent years altered the U.S. ``strategic calculus`` for defending Taiwan from a mainland attack and shows that ``a prudent hedging policy is essential,`` Mr. Rodman said.
The placement of about 700 Chinese missiles opposite Taiwan has changed the status quo between the non-communist island and the communist mainland, he said.
The Pentagon policy calls for watching China`s military and ``being ready to deal with it, if the worst case should happen,`` Mr. Rodman said.
James Thomas, deputy assistant defense secretary for plans, said key elements of the ``hedging`` policy are aimed at nations with uncertain futures, including China and Russia.
Cooperation is preferred, but the Pentagon must prepare ``for the possibility that others could choose a more hostile path,`` Mr. Thomas said.
``In [the China] part of the hedging strategy, we`re looking at the deployments of bomber elements to Guam on a more routine basis,`` he said. ``We`re also looking at making adjustments in our naval posture globally, shifting to six carrier battle groups in the Pacific region, given the shift in global transport and trade, as well as over the next several years shifting approximately 60 percent of our attack submarine fleet to the Pacific.``
The public term for the strategy is ``hedge,`` but in internal Pentagon discussions the term is ``effective preparations to swiftly defeat Chinese aggression,`` one defense official said.
The comments about a conflict contrast with statements by Pentagon officials that have sought to minimize the emerging threat from China.
The plan calls for frequent rotations of B-2 strategic bombers to Guam, part of what the Air Force calls its global strike mission to reach crisis areas quickly. Special hangars and other deployment and maintenance facilities are being built on Guam, a U.S. territory about 1,800 miles from the Chinese coast.
Three attack submarines are based in Guam, and arms storage there includes long-range air-launched cruise missiles and Joint Direct Attack Munitions.
Adm. William J. Fallon, commander of the Pacific Command, has visited Guam and told reporters that the island will become a pivot point for U.S. forces in the Pacific because of the relatively short distances to the Taiwan Strait, South Korea and Southeast Asia.
Yesterday, Mr. Thomas said the Pentagon is strengthening alliances in Asia as part of the strategy.

#619 gujju aka Khalid

Why did you have to go to Europe to find Pakistani men doing things to non Muslims women? You should have looked at yourself in the mirror. Here is a quote from your own profile page(removed now) that I saved to show you the mirror.

``khalid_ahmad

Member since: March 15, 2006 read iLog
Profile not setup.

Who am I?

Offspring of a trusting Christian Hinjew waylaid by a lusty Pakistani only to be dumped in favor of a newer harem. Enough strains in my blood for me to choose what I want to be. What to do? Stuck with a stupid name embossed all over my passport, diplomas and certificates. Who cares? You might as well call me Squalid Ahmad to remind me of my dad. ``

I know I waylaid your mommy and not only me as you admitted my father pulled a number on her too.

I know it hurts to be left behind and called illegitimate but that is life...I am willing to take you and your mommy back...I need some fun in the evening... Stop being mad and come on over...along with your mommy.

so inbred retard support Dubya`s policy of fighting terrorism by deporting people most likely to be terrorists i.e. pakis..

finally something we agree on..

Thank you for the links Arjun. Pakistanis are the worst immigrants in any country.

The cartoon controversy erupted in Denmark only because Pakistanis are the largest immigrant group in that country.

Here are more examples of Paki rapist behavior:

- In Australia`s New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf

- In Copenhagen, Denmark Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped

- In Malmo, the third largest city in Sweden, the police have admitted, Dashti says, that they no longer control the city. “It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants.”

- Channel 4 ... to show how Pakistani and other Muslim men sexually abused young, white English girls as young as 11.

- In three decades of immigration into Western countries, Islam has caused social upheaval and havoc in every one of its host countries. No other immigration program has encountered the problems of non-assimilation and religious ambiguity.

- Three Pakistani gang rapists who are facing life in jail yesterday begged a judge to be pardoned, citing cultural differences that led to the brutal attack, immaturity on their part and hardship within their families if they were imprisoned. But Supreme Court Justice Brian Sully said ``culture or no culture``, a strong message needed to be sent to other young men that such horrific sex crimes against women will not be tolerated in modern society.

- On Thursday, in Cunneen`s latest prosecution, a jury found two more men, Pakistan-born Muslims whose names have been suppressed by the court, guilty of the violent gang rapes of two teenage girls in Ashfield last year.

- A woman from Norway asks, ``So how come Norwegians have to bend over to Pakistanis who can`t control themselves when they see non muslim girls?``


Any immigration law to throw Pakistanis out will ensure peace and tranquility in the respective countries

Bipolar Choutia Arjun:

Yes, to all your questions.

I even support the war in Iraq.

Do you?

Re: # 616 delhiwala

DOn`t worry - most people are here just for fun.... tweak paki tails and watch them dance.... that`s all....

Re: # 603
Tahmed,
Mai te bore ho gya haah.

Folks, in all reality, do you really think what you do on Chowk or your titsy-bitsy affiliations in USA, such as stundent parties, DESI affairs meetings, or even some political affitiations.

would they really make any difference of how Indi/Paki Govt conduct themselves?

I have been there and done that....

If intellectual mastarbation on Chowk to be anti-Paki(most of the Indis) and Racist(like mr Behram) can conceive any results then you all are mistaken.

Frankly, I am getting bored by this. That is prolly the reason why DM is MIA.

All Indians: please support Dubya`s policies for fighting the terrorists and making America safer by deporting people most likely to be terrorists..

Pakistanis in U.S. Among the Most Affected By INS Registration Edict
By Ziad, Homayra
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
April 1, 2003

At 6 a.m. on Dec. 19 of last year, Sara Khan (not her real name), was awoken by a banging on her door. Three agents from the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) entered. Without explanation, they searched her house and person, and questioned her aggressively. The agents told Sara that she had failed to register under the NSEERS program. Shocked, she replied that, to the best of her knowledge, the new regulations applied only to males. Despite her appeal, Sara, a dual citizen of Pakistan and England holding a valid Hl-B work visa, was escorted to the local INS head office. There she was handcuffed to a chair, interrogated several times, photographed and fingerprinted. The INS agents informed her that she had been entered into the Special Registration database and must follow its procedures from now on. Five hours into the ordeal, she was released without an apology.

The Pakistani community in the United States is the largest group affected by this program, and the new laws have had a strong impact on its members. Pakistan`s very inclusion on the list has been troubling to many, given the country`s unstinting efforts on behalf of the U.S. war on terrorism. ``We take more losses [in the war] than everyone put together,`` said Dr. Asad Hayauddin, press attache at the Pakistan Embassy in Washington, ``The [religious] hard-liners in Pakistan say, you`re cooperating and getting kicked in the teeth. It`s embarrassing for the government.``

The Pakistani community, a target of the Bush immigration policy since September 11th, has likely been hit the hardest. In Midwood, Brooklyn, the largest Pakistani neighborhood in New York City, stores closed down as owners, employees, and customers were detained, went back to Pakistan, attempted to seek refuge in Canada, or left the community for other reasons. Those that were turned away at the Canadian border were often detained by American immigration officials, their families left to live in shelters and emergency housing.

inbred retardo..Do you support Dubya`s policies in the war on terror..including the policy of deporting people most likely to be islamic terrorists?

Pakistanis continue to face 9/11 fallout

By Anwar Iqbal

WASHINGTON, July 10: Pakistan and Bangladesh top the list of the countries whose citizens were targeted for deportation since the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, show the most recent statistics released by the Department of Homeland Security.

“In terms of the percentage of growth, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi are the highest,” says Aarti Shahani of Families for Freedom, a New York-based immigrants’ advocacy group. “Mexicans and the Central Americans, however, continue to be the largest ethnic groups targeted for deportation because of their sheer numbers. They outnumber all other immigrant groups in the US.”

Before 9/11, Pakistan and Bangladesh were not even among the top 12 immigrant groups who regularly faced deportation. But after 9/11, when Muslims became prime suspects for terrorist attacks, the situation changed drastically.

Ms Shahani, however, warns that this alarming situation is not shown in the statistics released by the DHS. “The statistics are deceptively low because they do not include voluntary departures while many immigrants facing deportation proceedings agree to go home voluntarily after spending some time in prison,” she said.

For instance, in 2002, 1,444 Pakistanis were selected for deportation but official statistics show only 812 deportations. Majority of them chose to go home voluntarily and many were sent to Pakistan by special flights.

Similarly, in 2003 as many as 4,083 Pakistanis were selected for deportation but the official data shows only 828 deportations. In 2002 also, the majority agreed to go home and many were put on special flights.

The Pakistani Embassy in Washington also played a key role in arranging voluntary departures. Embassy officials regularly visited US jails after 9/11 and helped convince Pakistanis inmates to go home rather than staying in prison and wasting their hard-earned money on litigation while the end result was still going to be deportation. The Bangladeshis faced a similar situation.

But even these “deceptively low” statistics show a clear bias against the Pakistanis, says Ms Shahani who worked with a large number of immigrants in Jackson Heights, New York. Among those targeted for deportation, there were more Pakistanis than Arabs although all the suspects in the 9/11 hijackings were Arabs, said Ms Shahani.

She observed that in some cases in Jackson Heights, there were Pakistanis and Afghans living in the same building and sharing the same businesses and yet when immigration officials came, they went for the Pakistanis, sparing other ethnic groups. “Pakistanis are overwhelmingly more targeted than Afghans and Arabs, probably for political reasons,” said Ms Shahani.

inbred retard: most Indians support Dubya`s policy of fighting terrorism by deporting pakis..

Immigration crackdown shatters Muslims` lives
A plane filled with deportees provides a glimpse into an initiative aimed at men from Islamic nations. Justified in the name of security, it hasn`t yielded a single public charge of terrorism.

By Cam Simpson, Flynn McRoberts and Liz Sly
Tribune staff reporters
Published November 16, 2003

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- The 75 passengers on the Icelandair jet sat strapped to their seats, cloth bands cinching their arms to their waists for all but the final descent of the three-leg, 20-hour flight.

Struggling to feed themselves, they spilled rice and meat onto the floor of the cabin. A trip to the bathroom required the escort of a federal agent.

After the plane screeched to a halt in the sweltering July heat, U.S. officials herded the men off the jet and onto the soil of their native Pakistan. The purpose of the flight: deportation. Why them? Their nationality.

Some of the men had been jailed for months before they were tossed out of America. Some had been convicted of crimes. All had been in the U.S. illegally. But the chief reason many were singled out is they were from one of the Muslim countries targeted by American officials trying to foil another Sept. 11.

Indian parsis: Tatas
Paki parsis: Behram

nuff said..

TCS nears big BPO deal with Citigroup

B G Shirsat & Rajesh S Kurup in Mumbai | March 17, 2006 03:10 IST

Tata Consultancy Services is close to finalising an outsourcing deal of around $500-900 million (Rs 2,000-4,000 crore) with global financial services giant Citigroup Inc.

Oooh, yeh moun aur masoor ki daal.

Using the lingo of my leader G.W. Bush.....

Run but not hide, eh! shows your age, beta....but, you`ll have to suck on this dada`s juices for awhile to become real cool.

Re: # 607

Don`t worry. You are destined to get more free ``Publicity``, ``Name Recognition`` and ``Exposure`` from the Indian community.

Also, I can assure you -- you will indeed ``run``....But, the thing I am not sure of is whether you will be able to hide...

;-)

Re: # 603 by tahmed32 on March 17, 2006 8:55am PT

{and every post a marvel of deep intellect, vast knowledge and wonderful humanity. ha! ha! }

Then, these hindoos would start walking with their legs apart, since they have all these vast knowledge and deep intellect stuck between their legs.

Re: # 603 by tahmed32 on March 17, 2006 8:55am PT

{and every post a marvel of deep intellect, vast knowledge and wonderful humanity. ha! ha! }

Then, these hindoos would start walking with their legs apart, since they have all these vast knowledge and deep intellect stuck between their legs.

Re:#599 by Ramanujan on March 17, 2006 8:30am PT

Thank you for all the contacts that you have provided. I am in the process of collecting my city council campaign money and I would need a campaign treasurer. Will you take the responsibility of collecting my campaign donations?

In my City individuals can only give $100.00 per person.

So I would need at least, 1500 Hindoos to give money to my campaign and between you and Arjun the monkey, we will certainly raise enough money to kick my opponenst @ss.

Or if you prefer, one of friends is also running for the State, and he needs some campaign donations before the April 7 run-off elections. Will you help raising funds for him? He is a Republican and he worked on anti-gay proposition that passed overwhelmingly in my state.

Ooops, but you would not support a person that has such a view now, would you?

Re: # 571 by rsridhar on March 17, 2006 7:46am PT:

{Who says Indian Americans are not in favor of the anti-immigration bill?
Indians in US would not like their hardearned money going for welfare and social security net taking care of illegal immigrants from Mexico and Pakistan.
I am strongly in favor of it. I think most Indians are. }

Well great! That is all I was saying several hundred posts earlier.

Now, that you are speaking for all Indians, will you send a letter of recommendation to your Indian Community in my City for starting a campaign to raise at least $150,000 for me to run for my city council race.

The other Hindoo hate monger has already given you all your hindoo community leaders of my state. None of them do I see in any public gatherings. They are definitely involved in the hindoo mujras otherwise also known at ``day dubba dub`` parties where hindoo chicks are looking for sugar daddies.


{Now, don`t convince us from your imaginary conversations with some US dignitary what Indians are like. You seriously think that US dignitary would use the word ``hindu``! }

Yes, and it was in a political comment. You probably have not met anyone who has some love for their country. And Americans do love their country.


{Most Indians are Hindus anyway but they prefer to be called Indians, the way Americans are mostly christians but would like to be called Americans.}

Yes, that is a lingo that was mainly missing and is still missing in the posts that hate mongers like yourself and Arjun the monkey has been spewing all along. Calling muslims names has not bothered you one bit, about those Indians who are muslims.

Give yourself a break, and do not over stress your brains, that by your own suggestion is lying in between your legs.

{ There is a fine distinction between religion and nationality. Retards like u who are confused of their identity speak as if both are the same. }

Yes, and you have constantly interchanged between the two as it pleases you. You have called Parsees names, because you thought and still think that somehow I am a Parsee.

You are a complete bogus RSS hindutva who has raised money in the hindoo temple to massacre innocent Indians in your own country. Go google an article that I read on World Policy Journal a few years back (before 9/11) to see how hindoo temples are funnelling money to the hindooland.

{Now, why don`t u answer a simple question:
Why do u hate Hindus so much? }

I hate yours and Arjun`s and Rama`s attitude on this chowk. Ever since you have shown up there has not been an iota of civility.

And here is an example of my exemplified dignity. On the Venarasi Site, I have only one post and that was to condemn the killers of that hindoo temple.

But, you and people like you can never have any dignity. As you might know it is illegal and considered hate if you use the word Paki in England. And that includes people from all of South Aisa. But, you and all the other hindoo hate mongers on this chowk constantly use this lingo, with no shame.

Now go get your stress level checked and see if something between your legs has moved.