Saleem Ali March 16, 2006
#206 Posted by Ahmadzai on March 19, 2006 9:28:46 am
Zeena at # 161:
Oh no, you pasted a page from my diary here :-)
Now, I will go one step even more. Mohtarma Farzana Sahiba will not be able to throw arjun_m out for the sole reason I mentioned.
I think Farzana Sahiba was actually invited to be in California to become editor of Chowk by the owners of this site, who in my opinion are an extremist band of Indians or at the least one person that we know, in order to mellow her down from her tirades against the saffron brigade and other extremist anti-Indian Muslim Indians.
Now, I don`t know if her writings have mellowed down for I have not read a single article from her recently. If yes, then that would be another proof.
Once again, I will say that no other site could have tolerated a poster like arjun_m, unless this guy is a stake holder.
If my assertion is not correct, then would the Chowk Staff let us know what value addition arjun_m is providing to the participants.
To give you an example I would have rather discussed problems of human right abuses in our different ethnic groups and to learn from others whose ethnic groups might have broken the shackles by using some good method, rather than getting into India versus Pakistan slogging game.
Oh no, you pasted a page from my diary here :-)
Now, I will go one step even more. Mohtarma Farzana Sahiba will not be able to throw arjun_m out for the sole reason I mentioned.
I think Farzana Sahiba was actually invited to be in California to become editor of Chowk by the owners of this site, who in my opinion are an extremist band of Indians or at the least one person that we know, in order to mellow her down from her tirades against the saffron brigade and other extremist anti-Indian Muslim Indians.
Now, I don`t know if her writings have mellowed down for I have not read a single article from her recently. If yes, then that would be another proof.
Once again, I will say that no other site could have tolerated a poster like arjun_m, unless this guy is a stake holder.
If my assertion is not correct, then would the Chowk Staff let us know what value addition arjun_m is providing to the participants.
To give you an example I would have rather discussed problems of human right abuses in our different ethnic groups and to learn from others whose ethnic groups might have broken the shackles by using some good method, rather than getting into India versus Pakistan slogging game.
#205 Posted by Ahmadzai on March 19, 2006 9:02:41 am
tahmed, faisaluno, urstruly, his excellency, other Pakistani interactors:
Have you noticed recently that arjun_m has started siding with Talibans and OBL recently against Pakistan?
Earlier Stuka had also sided with Al Qaeda terrorists in their fight against Pakistani tribal lashkar.
Does it ring any bells?
I had said long time ago that OBL and Al Qaeda is a `creation` to keep squeezing Muslim countries. Now real Indian (hate Pakistan) fighters are openly posting messages in support of Al Qaeda terrorists fighting against Pakistani military and killing our tribal elders.
:-)
Have you noticed recently that arjun_m has started siding with Talibans and OBL recently against Pakistan?
Earlier Stuka had also sided with Al Qaeda terrorists in their fight against Pakistani tribal lashkar.
Does it ring any bells?
I had said long time ago that OBL and Al Qaeda is a `creation` to keep squeezing Muslim countries. Now real Indian (hate Pakistan) fighters are openly posting messages in support of Al Qaeda terrorists fighting against Pakistani military and killing our tribal elders.
:-)
#204 Posted by scout on March 19, 2006 8:56:56 am
Re: # 200
please enough of the self righteousness, just the other day, you were calling for bombing pakistan
please enough of the self righteousness, just the other day, you were calling for bombing pakistan
#203 Posted by Ahmadzai on March 19, 2006 8:55:52 am
tahmed:
I read your earlier post addressed to me. When I wrote my last post on certainty versus uncertainty, I had the pakhtun tradition of topuch and tarboor in my mind.
Once somebody from his own clan advised a pakhtun at war with another clan that why don`t we call a jirga and extend freindship to our enemies. The jirga will declare peace between our two clans and all of us, including our next generation, will live happily ever after. The pakhtun said, ``I agree with your suggestion, but what is the guarantee that after I have disarmed myself, my old enemy will not kill me and my next generation? At least by continuing the enmity I have a guarantee that if he kills me or my next generation, I or someone from my clan will kill an equivalent from the enemy.``
All I am asking my Punjabi friends is not to under-estimate the American` neo-cons desire, in league with Indians and Israelis, to belittle Islam in general and to continue to inflict losses on Pakistan.
There are lot of noises in the corridors of power these days that if we return to our Jihadi ways there is an absolute guarantee that we and our next generation will perish, but we will take many of our sworn enemies down with us. That is absolute certainty.
I read your earlier post addressed to me. When I wrote my last post on certainty versus uncertainty, I had the pakhtun tradition of topuch and tarboor in my mind.
Once somebody from his own clan advised a pakhtun at war with another clan that why don`t we call a jirga and extend freindship to our enemies. The jirga will declare peace between our two clans and all of us, including our next generation, will live happily ever after. The pakhtun said, ``I agree with your suggestion, but what is the guarantee that after I have disarmed myself, my old enemy will not kill me and my next generation? At least by continuing the enmity I have a guarantee that if he kills me or my next generation, I or someone from my clan will kill an equivalent from the enemy.``
All I am asking my Punjabi friends is not to under-estimate the American` neo-cons desire, in league with Indians and Israelis, to belittle Islam in general and to continue to inflict losses on Pakistan.
There are lot of noises in the corridors of power these days that if we return to our Jihadi ways there is an absolute guarantee that we and our next generation will perish, but we will take many of our sworn enemies down with us. That is absolute certainty.
#202 Posted by khamkhwa. on March 19, 2006 8:54:03 am
ps:..
BANCHOWK...sounds so much like BANCHOD...which is what it has become...(angry icon)
BANCHOWK...sounds so much like BANCHOD...which is what it has become...(angry icon)
#201 Posted by khamkhwa. on March 19, 2006 8:52:26 am
BAN CHOWK!!
...it is the lashkar-e-toba and vishva hindu parishad combined together in generating hatred amongsy innocent brothers of india and pakistan...it must be Fazana Versey`s secret agenda...BAN HER TOO....;))
...it is the lashkar-e-toba and vishva hindu parishad combined together in generating hatred amongsy innocent brothers of india and pakistan...it must be Fazana Versey`s secret agenda...BAN HER TOO....;))
#200 Posted by sadna on March 19, 2006 8:35:45 am
I mean Lashkar e Toiba has killed and beheaded so many people, but for `liberal` Pakistanis, it is the Indians on chowk who are the extremists and hatemongers.
I mean simply disagreeing with Muslims on chowk can get me called an extremist if I am a Hindu, but what do Muslims have to do to be called terrorists by fellow Muslims, even their beheading children is not good enough for them to qualify.
I mean simply disagreeing with Muslims on chowk can get me called an extremist if I am a Hindu, but what do Muslims have to do to be called terrorists by fellow Muslims, even their beheading children is not good enough for them to qualify.
#198 Posted by sadna on March 19, 2006 8:26:38 am
Yeah Pakistanis` lives are justified only when Indians are killed. Talk of an entire nation not having any purpose.
#197 Posted by mohar11 on March 19, 2006 8:21:25 am
Alright - the cyber warriors are back for Round Two..... First round went in favor of faisal, or so pakis claim.... now let`s see who gets the honors in this round....
In the mean time - if anybody spots zeemax - call Dr Mohar immediately and stay away from him.... the guy has missed his medications and has gone cuckoo....
In the mean time - if anybody spots zeemax - call Dr Mohar immediately and stay away from him.... the guy has missed his medications and has gone cuckoo....
#196 Posted by tahmed32 on March 19, 2006 8:17:12 am
faisaluno: please!! what is the point of celebrating something in which people get killed?
#195 Posted by faisaluno on March 19, 2006 8:11:07 am
strategic depth zindabad:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/03/19/stories/2006031913230100.htm
One killed, 10 injured in Guwahati blast
GUWAHATI: A woman was killed and 10 persons were injured when suspected militants of the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) triggered a blast near the railway track at the Bamunimaidan rail yard here on Saturday night.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060319/main5.htm
Nine jawans hurt in blast
Srinagar, March 18
Nine soldiers were among 10 injured when militants detonated a car blast on the Srinagar-Baramula bypass here today. The Hizbul Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the blast.
#194 Posted by tahmed32 on March 19, 2006 8:03:03 am
good morning arjun. glad to see you are back on duty on chowk. ha! ha!
#193 Posted by arjun_m on March 19, 2006 8:01:48 am
great idea that...plant the seed of islamic fundamentalism in our own people so we`ll have an endless supply of islamic jihadis..
strategic depth is working out quite well..the taliban now have strategic depth into Pakiland..
Pakistani Taliban rule by fear on Afghan frontier
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) - Pakistani Taliban are in control of parts of the country`s tribal zones bordering
Afghanistan, where they have established a reign of terror in the name of Islam, miitary and security sources said.
Seven killed in Pakistani blast
At least seven people have been killed in a roadside bombing near the town of Dera Ismail Khan in north-west Pakistan, police have said.
The blast hit a police van on a routine patrol, killing three policemen, three paramilitary soldiers and a passer-by.
strategic depth is working out quite well..the taliban now have strategic depth into Pakiland..
Pakistani Taliban rule by fear on Afghan frontier
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) - Pakistani Taliban are in control of parts of the country`s tribal zones bordering
Afghanistan, where they have established a reign of terror in the name of Islam, miitary and security sources said.
Seven killed in Pakistani blast
At least seven people have been killed in a roadside bombing near the town of Dera Ismail Khan in north-west Pakistan, police have said.
The blast hit a police van on a routine patrol, killing three policemen, three paramilitary soldiers and a passer-by.
#192 Posted by dost_mittar on March 19, 2006 6:38:17 am
zeemax#185,186:
I do agree with you about the lowering of the level of debate at chowk and this topic has been discussed before. But I do not agree with you re. the specifics.
``after all where are interactors of the calibre of agnostic, samirJB, roohiAD, what happened to them?``
I do not know what happened to SamirJ but he never had any problem with the Indian interactors. And while he was/is an erudite contributors, he was also able to dish out in the ``language of choice`` though he reserved it for the unplugged section. Roohi did complain a few times but her complaint was about the anti-Indian/Hindu bias of chowk administration and the anti-women attitude of some Pakistani interactors.
``I want to postulate and pontificate. I want to debate and tear your ideas to bits and have you pull mine to bits. I want to say what I want; and I want to hear what you have to say.``
This is exactly what arjun-m and ramanujam do most of the time, although repeating the same message ad nauseum and ad infinitum - as do we all to some extent because our ``agendas`` do not change. It is mostly Pakistani interactors who, when confronted with uncomfortable facts and logic, tend to get ``up close and personal``. When it comes to personal abuse and talking dirty, the Pakistani interactors win hands down - the only Indian interactors seem to do so consistently are gujju (khalid_ahmad here) and rsridhar, others may have done so as an exception.
And as others have pointed out, you did not enhance your case by using the same kind of language that you were protesting against - and that too not against an individual but against a whole community.
I do agree with you about the lowering of the level of debate at chowk and this topic has been discussed before. But I do not agree with you re. the specifics.
``after all where are interactors of the calibre of agnostic, samirJB, roohiAD, what happened to them?``
I do not know what happened to SamirJ but he never had any problem with the Indian interactors. And while he was/is an erudite contributors, he was also able to dish out in the ``language of choice`` though he reserved it for the unplugged section. Roohi did complain a few times but her complaint was about the anti-Indian/Hindu bias of chowk administration and the anti-women attitude of some Pakistani interactors.
``I want to postulate and pontificate. I want to debate and tear your ideas to bits and have you pull mine to bits. I want to say what I want; and I want to hear what you have to say.``
This is exactly what arjun-m and ramanujam do most of the time, although repeating the same message ad nauseum and ad infinitum - as do we all to some extent because our ``agendas`` do not change. It is mostly Pakistani interactors who, when confronted with uncomfortable facts and logic, tend to get ``up close and personal``. When it comes to personal abuse and talking dirty, the Pakistani interactors win hands down - the only Indian interactors seem to do so consistently are gujju (khalid_ahmad here) and rsridhar, others may have done so as an exception.
And as others have pointed out, you did not enhance your case by using the same kind of language that you were protesting against - and that too not against an individual but against a whole community.
#191 Posted by mohar11 on March 19, 2006 6:26:34 am
I normally don`t do this - but here are some more samples of interaction from this guy zeemax.... the guy has just lost it....
Modernity Board
#111 by zeemax on March 19, 2006 1:44am PT
#88 by tahmed32/#89 by Kulharee
You a$$holes ... you`re here for nothing else than feel-good stuff looking at your own posts. You don`t know anything.
So ... fcuk off.
+++++
Turkey Board.
#33 by zeemax on March 19, 2006 2:19am PT
#30 by kabuliwallah
A$$hole only thing they have is tourist industry. Do you want it to become a Thigh-Land and capital of a Bangcock?
++++
Modernity Board
#111 by zeemax on March 19, 2006 1:44am PT
#88 by tahmed32/#89 by Kulharee
You a$$holes ... you`re here for nothing else than feel-good stuff looking at your own posts. You don`t know anything.
So ... fcuk off.
+++++
Turkey Board.
#33 by zeemax on March 19, 2006 2:19am PT
#30 by kabuliwallah
A$$hole only thing they have is tourist industry. Do you want it to become a Thigh-Land and capital of a Bangcock?
++++
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