The Quest for American Popularity in Pakistan

Some obvious signs from God that Allah or the Gibreel dude never had any tete-a-tete with the 1st grader`s soulmate:


1) In spite of some islamic countries having oil, their per-capita income is still very low.

2) All Islamic countries are backward, and falling further behind every day.

3) Muslims die in far greater numbers any day of the year than people of any other religion.

4) Pakistan is forced to suck up to China, who are probably the toughest on Muslims of any country.

5) China`s economy is booming.

6) Pakistan gets kicked around by virtually everybody.

7) The (un)holy land of Saudi Arabia is under the thumb of America.


....to be continued

zeemax...

Harish never has arguments... so profanity comes naturally to him.

:)

Harish...

None of the statements that you attribute to Jinnah call for violence. Other statements are attributed to his followers... Meanwhile we know Gandhi`s follower Patel was encouraging Hindus to kill... so that must be put under his balance sheet don`t you feel? But yes Jinnah was wrong in calling for DAD... he should`ve known how machivellian and bigoted Gandhi was... to use it and then blame it on ML.

#277 by Mantolives

Manto .. your very clinically effecient Gandhi bashing appears to have had a traumatic effect upon these guys bringing out the worst in them .. they have no further comments other than !@#$%^&*. So be it ..

Amen.

#277 by Mantolives

[Don`t call me names simply because you can`t produce a single statement from Jinnah calling for violence.]

Abay Chutiye, here are a few statements from JInnah and other Muslim Leaguers before the Direct Action Day. Now don`t try to wriggle out by saying that some of the more provocative statements were not from Jinnah. As the supremo of the ML, Jinnah was responsible by implication. It is also instructive to note that not once did he called on his leaders to stop making such provocative statements.

Jinnah`s statements

“What we have done to-day is the most historic act in our history. Never have we in the whole history of the League done anything except by constitutional methods. But now we are forced into this position. Today we bid good-bye to constitutional methods.”

Again, referring to the new threat and programme of Direct Action, he said,

“Today we have forged a pistol and are in a position to use it.”

Again, talking of the threat of Direct Action he said:

“We mean every word of it. We do not believe in equivocation.”

Then he quoted the Persian Poet, Firdausi, in these words:

“If you seek peace, we do not want War. But if you want War, we will accept it unhesitatingly.”

Nawabzada Liaqat Ali Khan, later the Prime Minister of Pakistan, on the implications of the Direct Action:

“Direct Action means resort to non-constitutional methods, and that can take any form which may suit the conditions under which we live. We cannot eliminate any methods. Direct Action means any action against the Law.”

Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar, later a member of the Pakistan Government, declared:

“Pakistan can only be achieved through shedding blood of ourselves, and if need be, and if opportunity arose, by shedding blood of others. Muslims are no believers in Ahimsa.”

[If one is jailed only for calling for violence... then one can imagine that Gandhi was arrested so many times.]

Even his sworn enemy Jinnah never accused Gandhi of being violent, so we now know you are dumber than the old crook.

[... Jinnah didn`t cause the violence.]

Abay G@@ndu, notwithstanding your innocent protestations, the call to DAD was issued by Jinnah, so he will be blamed for it.

re:#275 by Mantolives
abey chootiye,
The world believes mahatma to be an apostle of nonviolence.
You think that he was a fraud.
Now, either you are right or the rest of the world is right.
What makes u so smart that u know what the rest of the world does not?
You are no Einstein.
All u got is a lot of hatred for India and Gandhi.
As i have already told u:
Jaa key apnee bibi kee g@and mein sar chupa ley.
Chootiya sala.
Sridhar

harish_hyd #274
India has luckily left that period behind. Now it is the US which has to pay up. :)

#278 many people, american generals eg (forget karzais admin), foreign diplomats have alluded to possibility that ``elements in the pakistani government`` are helping al-quida and OLB. this cannot be proven like the pentagon bombing by an airplane..no pictures. i am sure you or arjun can find these allegations by googling. this is the classic deniability methodology used in indian kashmir too..but now many on the chowk dont deny it as much.

#272 by stuka and other cornered cats.

Selling out the duo means collecting 50 million but killing the golden goose.

I had said the Pashtuns haven`t sold out the duo. Now tell me how are they collecting billions through a `golden goose` and risking Guantanamo forever instead of pocketing a cool 50 mil PLUS a permanent residence in Miami alongwith a fresh identity?

Or, are you suggesting the state of Pakistan is hiding the duo from Bush to keep milking US for logistical support payments? If you are then that will be a fresh and `intriguing` theory. Prove it.

Dear Harish...

Don`t call me names simply because you can`t produce a single statement from Jinnah calling for violence. If one is jailed only for calling for violence... then one can imagine that Gandhi was arrested so many times.

In the end... beyond the tactical mistake of allowing a corrupt machiavellian bigot like Gandhi to take advantage of the Direct Action Day and turn it into an orgy of violence to blamed on the Muslim League... Jinnah didn`t cause the violence. He should`ve however calculated how mischievious and underhanded Gandhi can be ... but like I said before Jinnah was no Ambedkar when it came to understanding the mindset of the mischief mongering Mahatma...

#275 by Mantolives

[Not only can they not produce a single statement from Jinnah calling for violence (The strike was peaceful all over India)... but the numbers of Muslims dead in Calcutta vs Hindus dead prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Gandhi`s goons who were responsible for violence ... while Gandhiji was fooling the world with his so called ``non violence.]

Abay Chutiye, then tell us why Jinnah was sleeping on the floors anticipating arrest as reported by the Time magazine? Why was he sh!tting in his pants if he hadn`t done anything wrong? And why did Stanley Wolpert (whose words were once your gospel truth) and countless other historians ascribe the violence to the old a$$hole`s call to Direct Action?

And a$$hole, how does the number of Hindus and Muslims dead prove that Jinnah wasn`t beyond it? Do you talk out of your rear or do you put some thinking into it?

#274

So I see racist casteist Hindu bigot medieval fascist Mahatma`s followers lying again ...

Not only can they not produce a single statement from Jinnah calling for violence (The strike was peaceful all over India)... but the numbers of Muslims dead in Calcutta vs Hindus dead prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was Gandhi`s goons who were responsible for violence ... while Gandhiji was fooling the world with his so called ``non violence.

This ofcourse was characteristic of Gandhi`s politics... be it bribing people to shut up about murders committed by his followers possibly on his orders... encouraging people to burn alive policemen in Chaura Chauri ... or other such violence caused by the Khilafat Movement and Shudhi and Sanghtan movements...

The world has been duped enough. Have some shame now Mahatma kay perokaron... have some shame now.

#268 by sadna

[At least two Pakistanis on this thread have explicitly called for more attacks in India but no outrage is felt about that- a Pakistani calling for violence is like the sun rising every morning. If Pakistanis didn`t think that they alone have the sole monopoly on violence, this world would be a very different place.]

Sadna, the Pakis you`re talking about were just being, well..Pakis. Pakis calling for civilian deaths is not a new phenomenon. Wasn`t it Jinnah, the father of Pakistan, who called for violence against Hindus when he issued that (in)famous call for Direct Action? At least I`m not surprised by those Pakis who were merely following in Jinnah`s footsteps.

Sadna...

Don`t fib.


You called for attacks on civilian targets. In my book... you and Jamaat-al-Fuqra are bosom buddies...

Xeemax:

``The ``goras`` think you`ll sell your mothers for a few thousand bucks.. in your cae, probably the cost of a latte..

So how come they haven`t sold out Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri for $ 50 million?``

I would hazard a guess. Selling out the duo means collecting 50 million but killing the golden goose.

re#243 by pokershark
Looks like u, tahmed, faisaluno have all been eating grass in a joint.
I thought tahmed was more sober but then a paki is a paki even if he lives in US.
Think of the India`s problems this way:
If despite so many problems that India has (that u and faisaluno have pointed out in your posts), India is being recongnized as a global player by none other than US, then what would India be in say 20 or 30 years when it would have grown much bigger economically and those problems would be much less conspicous.
Indians are talking about India`s potential and what it would be in future. Everyone is aware that India has much to accomplish.
Sridhar