Rifts, Fissures, Cracks, Gaping Holes

harimau #88

`` Has one useful theory, invention or medical procedure come from these brain-dead idiots? What have they done with their so-called ``education`` which is nothing but a degree for prancing around on a college campus and ogling women? ``

Large number of Indian engineers are non-Brahmin. The percentage of OBC/SC/ST engineers is low. What else do you expect ? They moved into knowledge profession one generation ago.

`` The ONLY lower-caste that does a good job of its profession today is the caste of barbers. If the barber doesn`t do a good job, the customer doesn`t leave until he is satisfied with his haircut. Look at the pathetic buildings that these so-called civil engineers build in India. The fcukers have to get the Japanese to build a new bridge across the Jamuna in Delhi. Even the Metro in Delhi has to be built with Japanese help and Korean trains. Korea was devastated -- reduced to a rubble -- during the Korean War and they are ahead of India in every technology. Why? Because they do not have reservations for the Brain-Dead in Korea, that is why. ``

Most of the food you eat is grown and harvested entirely by non-Brahmins. They do a decent job growing food.

`` With their degrees in automobile engineering, are they capable of building one frikking car? No. We have the Koreans building cars in India. It proves that the lower castes are good only for manual labor and are incapable of using what passes for their brain. ``

There are plenty of good Brahmin engineers. Have they built a car ? If brahmin engineers are so good why sign a deal with USA to get nuclear technology ? There has been 20% reservation in Central government jobs until 1990. It was not like all of those merit based engineers achieved much.

`` Perhaps what we have been conducting in India is an experiment in Eugenics. For thousands of years, we have been breeding brains with brains and we end up with two TamBrahms with Nobel Prizes. We also have been breeding cretins because we don`t kill people with mental deficiencies. It is just that the cretins have been forced to marry other cretins. Thus we have Soysauce and Masanamuthu representing the lowest and highest intelligence possible among congenital idiots. For someone like you with your liberal leanings, this might be hard to digest. ``

2 Nobel Prizes is measily compared to 100+ by Jews. To say that genetics is the sole determinant of intelligence and achievement in the offspring is quite silly.

`` Actually, compare dogs. We now have about 200 breeds of dogs world-wide, all of which are descended from just one kind of dog. It is the repeated cross-breeding and isolation of certain characteristics that gives us the bloodhound that has a great sense of smell, a Labrador Retriever that is good for assisting humans with disabilities or an Afghan hound that is built for speed. If you can agree that it is scientifically possible to breed specific characteristics into dogs, why should it surprise you to find that it is possible to breed specific characteristics into human beings? ``

Any scientist with a ounce of morality/ethics would never consent to your insane theories.

`` Yes. Let them take a competitive entrance examination if you think intelligence is due to nature, not nurture. If you think intelligence is due to nurture not nature, 55+ years of mollycoddling these idiots have proved that thesis wrong. You and the Commies would want 3,000 years of reservations and that would set India behind Saudi Arabia.``

To say Indian entrance examination is an accurate predictor of intelligence is a joke. Tell me there is no other practical way to determine admissions. I will buy it.

I understand why Tamil Brahmins go off the edge when it comes to reservation. Large number of average BC/OBC engineers has kept Tamilnadu and Bangalore a dominant player in the IT industry. I do not need a rocket scientist sitting at a help desk.

harimau, in the sarkari organizations, even with reservations upper-caster are at least 50%. so the ``failure`` blame has to go there too.

Harimau
William Shockley had the same ideas that you propound. But keeping people suppressed for a 1000 years doesn`t help their cause either does it?
You can`t stand discrimination for 55 years, but is it okay to discriminate against people for over a millenium and then be vituperative about them?
I`ve known idiot Brahmins , there is no reason why they should profit over somebody better qualified.
I don`t like reservations either. But a little bit may be necessary, if but to open the door for the rest.

dost-mittar #71

`` The root of the problem is the lack of attention paid to primary schooling. This is where resources have to be diverted. And it is not just a question of monetary resources; as soyasauce pointed out, there is a lot of corruption in government run schools. The lure of private tutoring has had a very serious effect on the quality of teaching in regular schools. Perhaps, a radical solution such as providing vouchers to poor parents which they can use in any school of their choice should be considered. ``

Vouchers can help.

Parental support, overall social climate and economic mobility play a bigger role than reservations.

Ref avkrishna #84

[I did not get you here. Can you elaborate in detail about what you mean by your statement?]

Has one useful theory, invention or medical procedure come from these brain-dead idiots? What have they done with their so-called ``education`` which is nothing but a degree for prancing around on a college campus and ogling women?

The ONLY lower-caste that does a good job of its profession today is the caste of barbers. If the barber doesn`t do a good job, the customer doesn`t leave until he is satisfied with his haircut. Look at the pathetic buildings that these so-called civil engineers build in India. The fcukers have to get the Japanese to build a new bridge across the Jamuna in Delhi. Even the Metro in Delhi has to be built with Japanese help and Korean trains. Korea was devastated -- reduced to a rubble -- during the Korean War and they are ahead of India in every technology. Why? Because they do not have reservations for the Brain-Dead in Korea, that is why.

With their degrees in automobile engineering, are they capable of building one frikking car? No. We have the Koreans building cars in India. It proves that the lower castes are good only for manual labor and are incapable of using what passes for their brain.

Perhaps what we have been conducting in India is an experiment in Eugenics. For thousands of years, we have been breeding brains with brains and we end up with two TamBrahms with Nobel Prizes. We also have been breeding cretins because we don`t kill people with mental deficiencies. It is just that the cretins have been forced to marry other cretins. Thus we have Soysauce and Masanamuthu representing the lowest and highest intelligence possible among congenital idiots. For someone like you with your liberal leanings, this might be hard to digest.

Actually, compare dogs. We now have about 200 breeds of dogs world-wide, all of which are descended from just one kind of dog. It is the repeated cross-breeding and isolation of certain characteristics that gives us the bloodhound that has a great sense of smell, a Labrador Retriever that is good for assisting humans with disabilities or an Afghan hound that is built for speed. If you can agree that it is scientifically possible to breed specific characteristics into dogs, why should it surprise you to find that it is possible to breed specific characteristics into human beings?

[Are you saying that Reservations are not needed at all??]

Yes. Let them take a competitive entrance examination if you think intelligence is due to nature, not nurture. If you think intelligence is due to nurture not nature, 55+ years of mollycoddling these idiots have proved that thesis wrong. You and the Commies would want 3,000 years of reservations and that would set India behind Saudi Arabia.

#85 please show some respect to the old man. Thank you.

Here is an expose of the commies - in the recent ``office of profit`` case - in which MPs holding such offices have been kiecked or resigned - including Sonia Gandhi.... Commies from bengal top the list...

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/mar/23profit4.htm?q=tp&file=.htm

In all about 62 MPs are said to be in various posts, most of them from the Left in West Bengal, which Trinamul Congress leader Mamta Banerjee has sought to exploit politically ahead of the assembly polls in the state.

harimau:

LOL at your responses.. Sorry, I takeback my LOL..
Take my hand-kerchief and wipe off the tears..

Re: # 82

I did not get you here. Can you elaborate in detail about what you mean by your statement?

Are you saying that Reservations are not needed at all??

Thanks,

Take a look at what some farmers did in Pune.

Compare that to Manmohan Singh`s talk that he would make Bombay into another Shanghai and the Commies` determination to keep India down.

As far as I am concerned, the SC/ST/BC/MBC/OBC masanamuthus can cry buckets that with their bogus degrees in architecture and tonn planning, they have not come up with one township like Magarpatta.

http://specials.rediff.com/money/2006/mar/22sld1.htm

Ref avkrishna #81

[What you have given me an anecdotal evidence of two families you knew. Anecdotes does not make a trend esp. when you have other, more poweful evidence in hand.]

The only more powerful evidence we have is that the BC/MBC/OBC/SC/ST cannot and will not compete on an equal footing.

Re: # 80

What you have given me an anecdotal evidence of two families you knew. Anecdotes does not make a trend esp. when you have other, more poweful evidence in hand.

I think if we consider the following statistics, we will get a better idea:

1) % of admissions in any premier institutions (say IITs) by their family background in terms of education

2) % of Reserved seats for Backward castes taken by `Creamy Layer` children

Thanks,
Avkrishna

Ref avkrishna #78

[What I meant by this is that the more educated the parents are, the more educated the children are likely to be. Not due to genetics, but due to a different nurturing environment where education is stressed, the awareness of different possibilities, financial means to secure these etc.

Do you disagree?]

Yes, I do.

I know of a TamBrahm family which lived in the US for a long time. The father was an executive with a large American company. The mother, though a homemaker, was active in Indian cultural affairs. Lived in the best suburb with excellent schools. Both were educated with college degrees and pedigrees up the wazoo.

Their kids dropped out of high school. One of them started working as a check-out clerk in a grocery store.

In the case of another family, the kid became a dope peddler and is spending life in prison.

What have you got to say about these? What disadvantages did these kids face for them to become what they are?

#72 MOHAR11


Q: Besides the predictable answer of infrastructure, what are India`s problem areas?
A: Ideology. Socialism is still ingrained in the minds of many in India.....

No. I dont think that socialistic ideology is one of India`s problem. Even you leave aside Left Parties( even they are changing now albeit slowly), there overall perception is that the government should leave as many areas as possible and private sector should be given free hand to run the country. The government should only control Defence, Currency and Foreign affairs and act as a regulator in the market.

The real problem is our mind-set. We cannot think that we can also be one of the great countries of the world. Our cities can be as good as anywhere in the world. We can look at the western cities and exclaim wow! they are great--but cannot think why our own cities can be as clean or as great as theirs. The moment we step out of our houses and are on the roads, we think we can spit anywhere, throw any trash anywhere etc.

But this thinking is changing. Many cities have changed themselves drastically--one of the prominent one is Surat in Gujarat--which is a kind of role-model for rest of the country. And now since a great private participation is expected in infrastructure development including townships, lets hope that in the next 10 years, a few of the newly developed areas match the world standards.

Re: # 73

````How does the education of a previous generation contribute to the ``intelligence`` or ``determination`` of the next generation? If intelligence is genetic, then you are supporting the caste system. If it is not genetically inherited, then every generation has to stand or fall on its own merit.````

What I meant by this is that the more educated the parents are, the more educated the children are likely to be. Not due to genetics, but due to a different nurturing environment where education is stressed, the awareness of different possibilities, financial means to secure these etc.

Do you disagree?

Thanks,
Avkrishna

For those who missed it, here is my post on Farzana Versey`s board ``Love Ya, Dubya`` (interact #56 on March 3, 2006)

[We are spending most of our money on defence. Not on education, literacy, health. What kind of upward mobility is this?]

No, the government doesn`t have to spend money on education. Because it has been shown that government schools are the pits. And of course the teachers are selected not because they love teaching but because they belong to SC/ST/BC/MBC/OBC, etc. And soon, if the current UPA government has its way, because they are Christians or Muslims. (Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists somehow don`t count. And forget about Hindus.)

The latest Ananda Vikatan (a weekly Tamil magazine) has the story of Waheeda. a platform dweller in Chennai. Her father Shakir Hussain has a lowly job. Her mother Lakshmi, now called Fathima (why doesn`t THAT surprise me?) picks rags from garbage to make ends meet. They are sending Waheeda to the Church Park Sacred Heart School, an exclusive private school where even middle-class parents hesitate to send their children because of the fees.

Nope, they are not expecting a handout from the government. And they are prepared to sacrifice their present for the sake of Waheeda`s future.

If more people do that, there would be no need to spend government money on education. We could close all government schools and tell the leeches named Masanamuthu or Love Queen to take their degrees with a major in Periyarism and shove it up their butt.