Rifts, Fissures, Cracks, Gaping Holes

Ah well, the usual suspects...
Mrs. Gopal, this article is shot thru with compassion and I salute you for it.
However, isn`t it easier for the government to issue orders to private schools rather than try to improve public schools? In essence the government is saying we don`t know how to fix things but since you have done it, we command you to oblige us. The intent is good but the government admitting incompetance and asserting its authority at the same time does not bode well. Besides, who is going to subsidize the tution of the quota students?

Regarding india`s ``time in the sun,`` what makes me uncomfortable is all the bragging that goes with it. The chinese and even the japanese up until a decade ago, have been very circumspect, cautious and given to understate their accomplishment. Empty vessels and all that, but from a practical standpoint you don`t want to antagonize other nations by flaunting which they may see as a threat to their way of life.

Indians should emphasize how we are a dirt poor nation and we are not stealing jobs from anybody. How can money help when the air is choking with poison and the water, when it`s available, is polluted? We are like a beggar who found a 10 rupee note in the street and suddenly felt wealthy.

#10 swarrier, thanks for the quote.

Re: # 23 HP
[...So talking about the school system is a commie way of whining because there is no problem in the school system....]

Nope - there is hell lot of problems in the school system and every other ``system`` we have... how do you solve it?.... have to get more money for social programs... we all know a huge chunk is held up in ``public sector`` companies[ the cash cows that are milked by commeis for personal benefits].... so let`s divest - get the money out and spend it on schools, teachers, food whatever - right? good idea?....

But no.... commies will hear none of it.... after commies took over - there has been no divestment program whatsover..... and yet they have the temerity to come and whine about bad schools.... you f***er blocked the solution, remember?.... who the f*** is going to teach them that simple logic....

Why are YOU fighting on behalf of commies anyway?....

Revathy:

one more issue:

``In the programme on BBC World Radio, the theme of excluding of Dalit children from education in private schools came up.``

could you please tell us why were they excluded. Was it a official policy or the Dalits couldn`t pay the fees or couldn`t pass the entrance tests (if any).

Mohar,

So democracy is no good. They are there because people like them...people don`t like you and your ideas.

What makes you think that their getting out of the way would help, if you don`t provide the answer or a solution.

So we ignore the commie way of whining, what is your way of whining.... or what is your solution?

Revathy:

``The sudden spate of visits to India by important and self-important men and women from all corners of the earth signifies something that only the very blind and impervious will see as being a good thing.``

Why is it bad?

what has this para to do with the rest of the article?

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wrt to the rest of the article:

the problem is indias primary education system. We need huge investments, similar to what we need in case of infrastructure development.

you are right that in rural india we have ``ghost`` schools where we may not even find benches and chairs forget about the Master.

but it boils down to the leadership and the vision of the HRD and the Education Ministry.

the state is that the gov. can`t do much hence the private players are stepping in.

HRD is more interested in indulging in vote-bank politics and deciding what IIT`s, IIM`s should do.

education should be a basic right of the citizen, that should be a priority of the gov. not private institutions.

first the gov. can`t/hasn`t done anything. if someoen else wants to do something than they come with their politics.

what do you think should be done. do you have any ideas to alleviate the situation?

Re: # 21 HP

Nope - stupidity is the commie way .... they can`t do the job and they don`t allow others to do it.... and then they come back with same old bullsh!t, same old crocodile tears... we are just sick of their talk talks and incessant whining.....

Like I told you before - Talking about problems is NOT the issue here - the issue is how to solve the problems... commie way hasn`t worked - we all know it.... so why are commies still b!tching and moaning?.... when you ruled a country for 60 years and ran it to ground - you should accept your stupidity and get out of the way - so that able people can do the job right....that`s all we are asking for.... get out of the way - do not block progress.... do not block investments, initiatives, reforms that we all know works.....

The idea is to invalidate commie mentality and ideology - show one and all that, these people and their ideologies are fake and they don`t work..... that we have keep these people aside, otherwise we will continue to be poor and derived.....

#22 by swarrier

I know Indian papers more than this guy....

I am just amazed at the level of divide...This paper is commie because they write about problems. When I will start posting the same thing from the pioneer, it will be the RSS whiners and so and so forth.

Every problem in India is a commie problem. Considering the commies are in the ruling coalition, they have to take the blame because no one else would.

So talking about the school system is a commie way of whining because there is no problem in the school system. it is just the half the Indian kids don’t go to schools ever.

That is a commie problem too...Blame this blame that never take the ownership..

That is what I call Fantasyland of India.

Thanks for the address though.

Re: # 19
HP you are playing into Mohar`s hands. Frontline is a well known left sympathising newspaper. It`s all doom and gloom there except the occasional bright bit.
Re:# 18
India`s Fantasyland is in Jogeshwari East in Bombay. You must go there. They`ll take you for a ride any time.)))

So Talking about problems is ``commie way of whining`` in Indianspeak.
Interesting folks of the fantasyland of India.....

HP

Yep - another example of commie whining.....

``which are funds-starved, bureaucracy-choked government schools`` - commies are ruling for 60 years - so why are the gov`t schools starved?.... why is beaurocracy choking it?... what are the f***er doing for last 60 years?....

Not only schools - the bureaucracy has choked almost everything in the entire country... The remedy is to reform... take controls away from the blood-suckers babus... but as soon as you try to do that - the same commies will block it and start whingin again....

Remember Mumbai Reconstruction Plan?....commies blocked it.... a proper plan could have worked to the benefit of the city and the slum-dwellers... but commies didn`t allow it...

Like I said - you don`t know jack.....

Another example of ``commie way of whining``.....

From frontline

“The result is that by the most reliable estimates more than half of India`s
children are still out of school, and two-thirds of those so-called ``drop-outs`` ...”
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1716/17160700.htm

“SADGOPAL calls attention to something that is taken for granted in India: an inequitous system of parallel schools and coaching sub-systems, at the very bottom of which are funds-starved, bureaucracy-choked government schools. The government schools form an ``educational ghetto``, far from welcoming even to the poorest children. Their chief use seems to be as squalid creches where parents can leave their children when they go to work; that too, only for a few years, until the children themselves go to work”

So is this a “commie way of whining” too..

So talking about schools and school system is ``commie way of whining`` so what is the the other way of whining the RSS whining, the BJP whine...

Indian world is so strange that even they can`t decipher it.

Welcome to

Fantasyland of India....

Re: # 16 HP

As usual - you don`t know jack from your a$$.... nobody here as ever said there ain`t no problems in India.... the debate has always been how to solve it.... the commie way of whining about it has led the country nowhere..... now is time to get going - do reforms - in infrastructure, in gov`t, judiciary, education, healthcare - you name it - we have problems in it....

Get it?

``it cannot be done unless we stop whining and start working...``

The biggest whiner on the site is talking about other whiners..

It is a part of the Indian psyche....

Far worse than that is the fact that some Indians really are living in a world that does not exist -- a fantasy world so plainly free of facts and reality that it is truly disturbing for them if someone even points out that there are problems in the education system or anywhere else in India.

All I want is a substantial reduction [if not full elimination] of commie mentality among indians.... the mentality which has made India poor and pathetic..... From now on - there has to be ``can do`` culture.... no more whining, no more ideological BS and no more xenophobia like the author has displayed [``The sudden spate of visits to India by important and self-important men and women from all corners of the earth signifies... a steel trap]....

Rest all is fine.... caste problems have been tackled to a large extennt and more has to be done..... there is large scale disparity in various segments of society - the gap has to be bridged...

But it cannot be done unless we stop whining and start working...

Re #11
HP : The writer is a woman. Revathy is a woman`s name. I don`t think anybody over here can be blind to India`s warts. It`s as Mohar11 mentioned , all of us want a little place in the sun. Most of us are tired of the old image of India (snake charmers, begging children, lepers....). None of this has gone away completely and probably never will at least not in our lifetimes. However there are some good things too.

Re #12
pmishra2 :
I`m not sure that this article is exactly based on ``victim ideology``. It seemed more compassionate to me. I don`t know anything about Ms.Gopal but I`d hate to label her as a leftist just based on this article. It seemed to me to be an article that anybody could write, left, right , centrist. After all why should we not discuss what is wrong with our society when we discuss what is good about it.
I know quite a few people, fascist Hindus, leftists , whatever you wish to call them who are doing a lot of good work amongst the poor. In fact some weeks ago the English newspaper the Independent carried a story of a husband and wife team that helped rag pickers stitch bags from recovered plastic and these were being sold in boutiques all over Europe.
I think people like Mr.Sharma in your story are wonderful . They don`t run away from facts. Perhaps Ms.Gopal doesn`t either. We don`t know what she does.