Rifts, Fissures, Cracks, Gaping Holes

Re: # 60

Throw Bengal out of the Union I agree, will look forward to the day when we can act so decisively.

Regards
Sanatani

Netizen, Mrs. Gopal is in india where it is pre dawn..

If I may interject, I went to government schools in rural tamil nadu where classes were often held under a banyan tree. We had a mix of teachers, some dedicated and very good, but for some others this was just a govt job with guaranteed salary and pension that also gave access to students who would come to their after-school coaching classes. Teachers running coaching classes ranked among the richest. They could afford to buy land and would be gone missing for days during harvesting, transplanting, etc. They also were usually knee deep in party politics.
In contrast, it was the poor, low-caste students who had to be absent from school for days during important crop seasons for that`s when you help out your family financially by working the fields.
If the infrastructure of the schools was bad then, it`s much worse now. The government seems to have abandoned primary education to the private sector.

``So Talking about problems is ``commie way of whining`` in Indianspeak.
Interesting folks of the fantasyland of India..... ``

Yup. India is a fantasyland where Commies create problems and then cry about it.

First screw India, and then talk about how India is screwed = Leftists.

Re: # 54

Abe Stuka,

Rashtravadi Narendrabhai Modi ko opoose kar ke commie ka rona mat ro? Pricks like u r any day a bigger problem than the commie. See my interact to DM. When are u and ur APNA types` taking Train to Pakistan (one way, no return ticket and surrender passport at the border).

Absolutely no Regards
Sanatani

Re: # 54 stuka

exactly....

we all a fighting over the education system but i think the author has her own doubts about it.

she is not sure whether education cirriculum is sufficient to raise a man or woman to the elevated ranks of learning and culture and a balanced world view.

hence i think we are discussing something that the author is least bothered about.

Re: # 51
Education might not be sufficient reason but it is an important reason to elevate ranks of learning, culture and balanced view. It tries to teach a person to be able to think for himself.
When revathy asks question in her last para, the probable solution could be education. Hopefully that is why we are discussing it.

Revathy has raised important issues that hinder progress of India. Even though she did not state any solution(s) but we can discuss it here. Dont know how many ideas will be used.
Education is a ticket out of poverty in India. It is important if you want to move ahead.
Its important that India has reservations even though I dont like the quota system. But after 60 years of it one needs to look back and see what progress have been made. What are its benefits and more importantly what is wrong with it.
Reservations should have limited use i.e. a person of SC, ST or BC should not be using it everytime. Maybe once to get in college and once to get a job. After that, for promotions and other opportunities he should compete on a regular turf.
With schools, the teachers needs to be held responsible for the success of students. If not completely atleast partially. We have teachers in government school that dont teach at all. It would be wonderful if a part of their salary can be tied to success of students. This is were perhaps the commie bashing comes in picture because of the teachers union.
The most important would be somehow to publish a report card for each government minister both at state and center. Hopefully some independent authority similar to election commission so that we can know what a particular minister or MP or MLA is doing with his time.
Private sector will play more important role as the economy opens up. If we can ask private companies to atleast let us know how many BC, SC or ST applied for a job and the reason for them not accepting them then one can know what is impeding the lower caste. This should not just be applied to caste but also religion and gender. The government census for religion is a good idea. It should not be politicized but the results should be understood how more muslims, women, backward caste people can be given more opportunities without discriminating against middle or upper class.

can the author please interact????

what is the efficacy of RSS run schools in tribal areas? there was a big stink a while back that they were raising a core of hindutva brigade.

The author might be a `commie`, but the problem she raised is real.

Caste discrimination is still real and present in every walk of life. We have made some progress since Independence, but a lot more to be done on this front.

People blame Commies and Socialists for the rot in the country, but these very policies created a means for backward castes to progress. The Public sector and massive Buerocritization in the last 50 years have definitely held back the progress of India, but through the reservations in these Govt. controlled insititutions, generations of backward castes have managed to move up the social/economic ladder.

Now as we move away from Socialist economy to a Capitalist economy with all it`s accompanying features of Meritocracy, Flexible Labour laws etc. , this problem takes on a new dimension and becomes more acute.

How do we continue the make the path easier for Backward castes? We need to have an active policy (I prefer a non mandatory one) to increase the representation of Backward castes, while not endangering the competitiveness of our economy. Let`s not postpone the problem like some of the East Asian countries who ignored the social inequalities till a sufficient level of economic development had been achieved.

Thanks,
Avkrishna

Funnily tho mohar11, it`s the commies of china who are making a difference.
Chinese official: communism will succeed only when people are tired of bourgeoise, hence we are trying to create as many bourgeois as possible :)

I see that we have another pakistani socialist advising us on how to improve india. Usually these guys tend to be rich and well-connected. Naturally, they feel they can lecture us coolies on how to improve themselves. They can also make reference to extremist publications like Frontline (home of Prafool Bidwai, N Ram and other comrades).


What these paki socialists forget is that indians have lived with socialist politicians for a long time. We have seen how they pamper their own constituency and how little interest they have in genuine change. We see them encourage privileged workers at airports and hospitals to demonstrate and destroy.

I agree that the issue is a practical one. It needs practical methods for solution. Why cannot we double the number of private schools? What is the constraint? Why cannot there be neighborhood groups that check everyday on the goverment schools? If the teachers are absent, why cannot there be a protest?

There are so many practical ways of making progress. I see NONE of them mentioned by Revathy. She may be well intentioned but nothing in her article suggests she has done anything more that complain. Sorry, that just isnt good enough...

Of course, rich hypocrites like HP are in a totally different category, a category inhabited by Arundhati Roy and the like....

mohar11
Haven`t you flogged this particular dead horse enough already? Your commie strawman was funny for a while but now it`s getting boring. Commies are you kafirs or what?
China consistently understates its trade surplus. Nothing like we exported 200 b dollars worth more than we imported from the US, etc. Except perhaps with the japanese, china doesn`t go around telling everyone how big they are.

Re: # 39 soy

I was talking about individual chinese...... they brag when they get a chance and why shouldn`t they?....

if you think commie-issue is a ``dead horse`` - then I don`t know what to say.... obviously we have totally different read on the situation...:)).... and I would be happiest person if you were correct...

Labelling people / ideas as ``commie`` or ``fascist`` won`t help.. Only ``pragmatic`` ideas work.. I don`t think the policies of the last 60 years resulted in complete disaster.

It is true that govt. schools are a disgrace for the most part (other than a few shining exceptions). But the solution is not to disband the sytem but to reform it. Govt`s goal should be to provide Quality primary education for all at minimum cost to the public..(it would be better if
there are schemes like the mid-day meals to entice children to stick to school)..

Question to the author:

classrooms that are all-inclusive are practically non-existent in the villages of India. They in fact, perpetuate caste, keep Dalit kids out of the reckoning. ..

Do you have proof for this??.. We have reserved seats (22%) for Dalits in higher academic institutions (colleges) in every class for the last 60 years and a lot of people make use of it.. it implies that all those who got benefited have studied in cities / towns..
Maybe there needs to be a special category for ``rural Dalits``.. I am interested to know if there was any research behind it.. If the above statement is to attract westrern audience, ignore my question.. :-))

I`m thinking of making money some day by claiming how a lower caste guy like me got discriminated and came out successful after overcoming a lot of hardships to a ``receptive`` audience.. :-))