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Post #444 by zeemax is a personal attack on me. This interactor zeemax has been harrassing me for no reason. Will you please, teach this interactor , how to interact and how to maintain civility ?

Thank you.

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Re: # 453

Sorry to see the crap here Zeena. I do see tons of personal attackers but chows admin seems to be enjoyin them too.

However, many of these indivs are known for their personal attacks and creative use of language which for them creates a new culture --and guess what? They expect all to enjoy such civil conversations.


I guess poor felas feel that ``either this way or the highway`` [ Ps. that`s the either/or fallacy, no mediation exists]

#444 by zeemax

zeemax
With all due respect, how many times do I need to remind you that I am not the topic of this article, I guess?

This is sad the way you guys abuse and manipulate any board for your useless fights and for HARRASSING other interactors. There is a triangle of three words, shamelessness, lack of self respect and lack of absolute intellectualism and you fit in to it with out any doubt.

Now, may I request you to stop these personal attacks on me, please. Thank you

#447 by tahmed32

Oops .. sorry. I thought you were on that board too. Here it is. It was on DM`s article.

#61 by zeemax on March 13, 2006 7:33am PT
Pakistan has a robust economy... Shaukat Aziz when he was the Finance Minister has borne fruit ... All sectors of the economy are growing ... the foreign exchange reserves are high ... There are now over 23 million mobile phone users in Pakistan ..

Dost saheb, all of above is simply not true as a description of Pakistan economy. Pakistan economy in fact is in deep trouble due to blunders by this government. They have lost a historical opportunity which is rare to arise. Allow me to explain:

1) Before 11 Sept 2001, the economy was at a standstill, nothing happening, and the forex reserves were around the same level as June 1998 i.e. post detonation. Never mind the official figures. They are just false. There was hardly anything in the kitty to fund imports and the Rupee was at $/65.

2) Reverse capital flight took place after 11 Sept 2001 and an estimated 14 billion dollars entered Pakistan all of a sudden within two months. With these dollars the Government built up it`s reserves, prepaid lots of expensive loans, and was able to lower domestic lending rates from 21% to 2% because of too much liquidity floating around. That resulted in huge profits for the large corporate borrowers, made bubbles in the stock market and real estate (both tripled), and the Rupee strengthened to $/57.50. All of this was because the economy was not able to absorb the huge inflows. The money had to go somewhere.

3) The government had hoped that with the cheap rates and stuff, there will be new industrial investment. That didn`t happen. Only thing that happened was better capacity utilization. The domestic industrialist knows no sector which can compete in a WTO regime. So they pocketed the higher profits and that`s it. The banks were awash with liquidity with no borrowers so they started to lend retail in credit cards, auto loans and things like that. That`s where the consumer boom began when the consumer rates were at 7% and the auto assembly industry picked up. Nothing else. The consumer growth accounted for the *official* figure of 8% growth. BUT and it`s a big BUT, it also resulted in much higher imports because the production never increased, only assembly of vehicles and other consumer durables. It also resulted in core inflation of 11% plus.

4) Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Consumer loans are now re-priced at 14%, getting out of reach of the happy consumer`s paying capacity; trade deficit for 2005-2006 is expected to hit 9 billion dollars by June when the *actual* reserves are down to around the same amount (Don`t believe that $12 billion stuff). The cellular phone revolution didn`t do anything for the economy other than the initial FDI, and import coverage of available foreign exchange has gone down from 11 months to six months. The *Logistic Support* payments from USA have waned and will completely stop shortly.

5) The Government will manage to tide over another year through sale of Pakistan Telecom etc., but after that the balance of payments will be in severe red. Oil is not likely to come down, only rise. The deregulation/elimination of wheat, sugar support prices has hit the farmer hard and now they`re shifting to other cash crops resulting in sugar prices hitting Rs. 45/kg from Rs. 27/kg. People are real angry.

The lost historic opportunity I mentioned earlier is that a $14 billion windfall after 9/11 was almost Rs. One hundred billion. If only the Government had absorbed it through issue of its securities, instead of letting it lose in the market, it could have spent it on infrastructure and state enterprises to replace private investment which wasn`t forthcoming, and avoided the speculative bubbles which are bound to burst.

Stupid. Pakistan only had a breather because of 9/11. It wasted that surprisingly opportune time to amend. Now Pakistan has to wait for another 9/11.

So, in my opinion, its better to accept the LOC as permanent border, and make a trade pact with India. Pakistan cannot survive in the manner it is proceeding.

Rgds

Congratulations Farzana Versey on another wonderful article on FP, one which was original and interesting and has had over 10,000 hits and 450 interacts already.

kaalchakra #429 ``Any system that assigns the logic of terrorism any validity will destroy itself. ``
Agreed. The wave of terrorism in the name of islam is doomed to be relegated to a footnote in history. The mullahs and their followers impress only themselves, and no on else, with their self serving cries of ``victimhood`` of the palestinians and so forth while ignoring the incredible injustices done in the name of islam in places like Darfur and within muslim societies themselves.

zeemax #445 I shall therefore set aside this Monday for a scholarly voyage of discover. Namely that of reviewing your posts on other boards in my search for the Truth on this issue. Your monumental intellectual achievements on chowk demand nothing less!!

hamidm #425 : ``who reads the ny daily news is barely one step above those who read the national inquirer and usa today``

while the above was not addressed to me, i must confess to taking a sneak look at the national inquirer myself, while waiting on the checkout line at the grocery store.

Tu bene dicis. Peccavi. Mihi quaeso ignosce!! (i.e., as the ancient romans would say: your are right. I have sinned. Forgive me please!!)

#417 by tahmed32

8.4% GNP growth rate is great speed (second best in Asia after China) and in the right direction (economic progress).

I think I addressed this point in detail on another board a while ago.

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#442 bjkumar
bjkumar sir jii

I am not the topic of this article, I guess?
Thanks

#434 Zeena

Dear Zeena, you are too kind. But I insist on volunteering YOUR name for the position in question - my limited oratorial skills are absolutely no match for your charming people skills - and it is my understanding that the job in question requires a LOT of the latter - just look at the number of ``people`` involved! (The hate pots of the world can certainly benefit from your energetic input - my limited and tired words appear to fail every time.)

Besides, you put thirty dots in your response #434.

I consider myself a single dot!

Therefore you win, by a massive landslide! :)

With best wishes.

And another one.

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(Note: The Anti-defamation league of the B’nai-Brith (ADL) is a ninety year old organization. According to its charter, as listed on its web-site, its mission’s ``ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens.`` ). It posted the following editorial.

ADL Analysis
Mearsheimer and Walt`s Anti-Israel Screed: A Relentless Assault in Scholarly Guise
Posted: March 24, 2006

The article by John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen M. Walt of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, entitled ``The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy`` would not be taken seriously if not for the reputations and associations of the authors. They have each written respected scholarly works on government and international relations and occupy important positions at their universities.

The article itself, which was first posted in full on the Kennedy School Web site and then published in executive summary form by the London Review of Books, is a 41-page, amateurish and biased critique of Israel, American Jews, and American policy. It addresses in a perfunctory and all-knowing fashion some of the most important and complicated issues surrounding the Middle East conflict. Nowhere in evidence is a sense of complexity, balance, an examination of the variety of factors that cause an event, or of putting individual comments in perspective – all the appropriate tools for a serious piece of scholarship or journalism.

On every issue, the authors start with unproven, anti-Israel assumptions and then look for isolated examples to justify these assumptions. One does not have to take a pro-Israel position to recognize that the authors, despite their reputations, have no interest in producing a serious, balanced work. The result is a sloppy diatribe.

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All of these examples point to the authors’ relentless obsession to see the world through their own narrowly conceived and intentionally distorted prism. It makes for one of the most unprofessional works coming out of respectable quarters. Undoubtedly, the anti-Israel forces will be citing this study for a long time to come. Because of its extremism, however, we can hope that mainstream individuals and institutions will see it for what it is – a classical conspiratorial anti-Semitic analysis invoking the canards of Jewish power and Jewish control.

The complete article is available here.

And this one.

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(From an article in the magazine ``The Village Voice``)

The Chosen One
Journalist Daniel Pearl Was Killed for Being a Jew
by Michael Kamber
February 25th, 2002 6:00 PM

[Excerpts]

I believed Daniel Pearl was dead all along.

….. I returned from Pakistan frustrated from arguing for perhaps the hundredth time that 4000 Jews did not call in sick to work at the World Trade Center on September 11—explaining that Americans do not classify employees by religion, so how would anyone know?—and that ``no, the Jews do not run America.``

``My father is a Jew, my mother is a Jew, and I am a Jew`` are the last words Daniel Pearl uttered, an instant before his throat was slashed, according to government officials who have viewed the videotape of his murder. At least one of his captors has admitted that the kidnappers were specifically looking for a Jewish victim. Curiously, government officials and Pearl’s family, as well as his employer, The Wall Street Journal, are downplaying this angle, as if drawing attention to what is clearly an anti-Jewish killing would dishonor Pearl, who was not an observant Jew.
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As is always the case, Pakistan’s anti-Semitism exists in a vacuum; with the exception of the tiny elite who had traveled abroad, no one I knew had actually met a Jew—there simply aren’t any in Pakistan. Of the country’s 140 million inhabitants, 98 percent are Muslim, the remainder Christians and Sikhs. In a country where perhaps three-quarters of the population is illiterate, people take their cues from their religious leaders and politicians. Few understand the difference between Israel’s hawks and doves, or the nuances and differences of opinion between Sephardim and Ashkenazim, American Jews and Israeli Jews. In an uneducated population, where groupthink is the norm (often, a dozen people would converge on a reporter after a rally spouting identical positions, right down to the wording), groupthink is assumed in the enemy.

In such a climate, Daniel Pearl’s kidnappers stripped him of his humanity; the funny, creative, fiddle-playing husband and father-to-be is lost. It is replaced with the enemy, the other, the Jew.

The complete story is available here.

All right, here we go again!

For those in the crowds who missed it in the last go-around - the contents of the filtered interacts are located at the following locations. Excerpts follow - strictly according to chowk guidelines! (Dheere re chalo, mere naajuk red riding hood! Kamar na pakre, daanto wale!)

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The following investigative report appeared in the New York Daily News on March 30, 2003.
Sowing seeds of hatred
Islamic textbooks scapegoat Jews, Christians
By LARRY COHLER-ESSES
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

(Excerpts)
Textbooks widely used in New York’s Islamic schools contain passages that are blatantly anti-Semitic, condemning Jews as a people, repeating old canards about the Jews wanting to kill Christ and faking their Holy Scriptures to mock God.

The Islamic texts teach that ``the Jews`` killed their own prophets and betrayed the Prophet Muhammed through their inherent deceitfulness.

The books, obtained during a three-month Daily News investigation that included visits to private Muslim schools, are rife with inaccuracies, sweeping condemnations of Jews and Christians, and triumphalist declarations of Islam’s supremacy. In Long Island City, Queens, for example, fifth- and sixth-graders at the Ideal Islamic School on 12th St. learn that Allah has revealed that ``the Jews killed their own prophets and disobeyed Allah.``

(The rest is available here.)

farzana versey

the point you raised in critisism for jewish people in your article is 100% right. and i am astonished that our indian brothers and sisters are so much annoyed on this. fact is still there which farzana ji you reiterated in your further interactions that this is about jews community, not about kashmir issue.

one of our brother whom i realy respect salim chauhan sb who is good muslim once wrote humrous article named ``muslims in infedilistan: a ready recknor`` in which he tried to convince the muslims to hide themselves behind the giant indian image and donot show your real identity as muslims specially when you are living in foreign country or travelling to some foreign country. it ridiculed all possible islamic identities adopted by muslims. even somewhere it mocked islam. the reaction by our indian brothers and sisters was really appriciating for mr. salim. and was encouraged to write more and more article on such a topic. its really interesting that somewhere mr. salim mimicked indian businessmen and IT professionals that they are always so mean and donot give tip to a waiter. i noticed that many of our indian brothers and sisters retaliated on this. this is real the time to think for muslims that they have become a mere stuff to be ridiculed and targeted for thers. farzana ji i am totally conviced and you deserve to be the chowk administrator.

My indian brothers and sisters

with due respect you people are totally biased agianst muslims. it shows that if something is agianst muslims you feel it in your favour and if something is in favour of muslims you feel it against yourselves. please come to your senses and leave this formula and try to read this article again and then analyse it before any interaction.


ghulam haider