US–India Deal and Kashmir

kashmir policy is cold..until China surfaces..

its not the fight for Kashmir..rather its to usurp..the monetary resources India puts up for the military in an indirect way..(a dereferencing pointer [C language jargon])..
a behemoth of the money goes into the coffers of the generals..just to make them shut up..

Pakistan has shrewdly tackled the situation all these years..with some handful of so - called Mujahideen and India is strapped with 6-7 lakhs of forces..wilting and ranting and raping out of frustrations..

Kashmir would be no issue until China breaks lose.and America..is on its toes..

America too was desperate to escape out of the sorry face it is cutting in Iraq and popularity dipping..
It had to save..India as well which is to fade away in future behind the holy garb of Chinese Economic Engine..which is fathom thick..

So to save india from the disillusioning and disarray..Nuclear toy is quite good to keep the baby...yoddling..and cuddling with it..

PERIOD..

may be, may not be. they may move on to greener pastures...

after the trauma of iraq is over the us wil go into a isolationist coma for the next 20to 30 years, so don,t pin any hope on them

dear all,
many thanks for your comments, fascinating. i am new to this forum, in fact this is my first article at chowk. so it will take time for me to figure out where have i landed...! though it would be rather difficult for me to respond to each comment, but let me say that that India and Pakistan are fighting over the wrong part of Kashmir. The Valley is no doubt beautiful place, I was there last summer, it is indeed a nice place to spend a summer vacation, or to shoot those sleazy bollywood films, and that is it. The key part of J&K is not jammu or ladakh either, nor it is the so called azad Kashmir. The most precious part in today’s geo-political context is the most ignored Gilgit Baltistan (GB or Northern Areas 72400 sq km) bordering China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Every one knows that 20 to 30 years down the line key issues in south asia will be trade, energy and water, and not Kashmir, but very few nows that the only direct energy corridor between central asia and south asia will be through GB, very few people in Delhi and Islamabad is aware of the fact that South Asia largest fresh water reserves in the shape of glacier are in GB, very few people knows that the only mature trading highway linking china with south asia and mid east (and rest of the world) goes through Gilgit (Gawadar!)…

happy discussing
ismail

A letter published in Times of India of today :-


Two brothers separated in 1947 met at the Wagah Border recently. The elder brother told the younger one-``Look, today I have IT, BPO, Nuclear Deal..what do you have with you?.

The yourger one replied: `` I have osaMAA with me``.

#29 by Zeena

#20 arjun_m
{{Only to the extent that my house in Northern virginia belongs to me...}}}
Mr. arjun_m
So, you accepted the truth, Kashmir is a house for Kashmiris which obviously belongs to Kashmiris, they should have the freedom of their own home, called Kashmir.Period.

I think what arjun_m meant is that just as he can enjoy his house in Viriginia but his house cannot secede from Virginia, by the same token Kashmiris have full right to their house i.e. Kashmir within India, but cannot secede from it. I think that makes sense.

Kashmiri Muslims ,of both sides, should sit together and think over to decide which of the following options is best for them as well as ISLAM :-

1. Become a redundant 41st or so member of a defunct group called OIC.

2. Join an illconcieved , mutually assured destructive(MAD) country as yet another
incompatible ethnic group.

3. Remain as the one and only Muslim majority territory of a Secular Country through
which they can showcase their Kashmiriyat as well as ``real`` Islam to the world.

Being a real time front line state in the `war on terror` and such a faithful friend all these years, Islamabad was within its permissible rights to demand a clear message on Kashmir, particularly at a time when the entire geo-political situation in South Asia was to go under such a drastic transformation as a result of the Indo-US `nuclear deal`.

The extent to which Pakis make a song and dance about being the frontline state in the war on terror is ridiculous. You are in the frontline not because you have some special ability that the others lack, but because most of the terror suspects (Al-Qaeda and Taliban) are safely ensconced in Pakistan`s cities and tribal areas. And you have been America`s `faithful` (Yasser please note, even Pakis think you deserve depiction as America`s poodle) friend not because loyalty is a trait in you, but because you`ve been able to rake in the moolah that way.

Talk about making a virtue out of necessity!

{``What Pakistan does need to worry about is the implication of the new Indo-US relationship on its long standing position on Kashmir.``}

Khan Sahib,
I commend you on this interesting article and admire your moderation of the traditional Pakistani rhetoric of ``Plebiscite, plebiscite, my nation for a plebiscite.``

Mr. Jinnah was always so intimidated by Lord Louis and now Mushy showed signs of clear week-kneed stature as the two leaders tried to perform the awkward Bushy & Mushy impromput show in Islamabad. Dubya was more relaxed and in control in Islamabad, while Mushy looked like he had just arrived after hours of cleaning the capital with his own jhaRoo. When will these stupid Muslim leaders learn? In the long run, the Hindu Indians will prove to be better and more trustworthy allies than the fickle Brits or Americans. But then, I doubt if the Indians will give milliions (or over the long run, billions) for Paki leaders to squirrel away in Swiss banks and English mansions.

#38 dharma
dharma sahib ji

You are just stretching this unnecessarily. OK, I agree such matters are above my head. My head is ,too small fo such matters. Happy. You see, you`re obsessed with religions. You are projecting your own thoughts upon me. How many times I made it very clear, there is NO religious issue here.

You are dragging America and religion again and agiain with no purpose. Honestly, to stretch such issues aimlessly make them boring . I am already bored with this discussion. So, we will part with out attacking each other personally , we will part with out disrespecting each other. Thank you for your interactions. I enjoyed conversing with you.

Will see you around on other boards. Till then . Bye and take care. Enjoy your stay on this board, I am out of here.

mahatarma zeena says:
``if there would be an issue about any one nation or race in majority in one part of USA , are not satisfied living with USA then I am all with the freedom of that state. Yes, I will stand for the freedom of that state.``

atleast she is not a hypocrite. but that is because these matters are above her head.
where are our resident kashmiri freedom fighters? Would you support right to secede
in USA too or is that reserved only for muslims?

Kashmir was never part of India. It was declared free with the freedom of colonial India.

arjun_m
#35

Four walls are prison if, people are being tortured inside`em. Nothing more to say. Thank you for your interactions.

#29 by Zeena on March 28, 2006 3:58pm PT


So, you accepted the truth, Kashmir is a house for Kashmiris which obviously belongs to Kashmiris, they should have the freedom of their own home, called Kashmir.


I can do whatever I want in my own house which exists in the US of A..however, I am not free to declare my house part of canada or it`s own independent country...

The Kashmiris are free to live in their homes...If they`re not happy that their home is in India, they have the option of walking in the direction of mecca and stopping only when they`re in a good place..

#32 dharma

dharma sahib

This is also very common observation that some interactors like you when are unable to comprehend my posts, start TWISTING, MISINTERPRETING AND MANIPULATING my opinions. Did I do that with you ? absolutely NOT. I do not twist or I do not falsely accuse others for the sole purposes of projection or reaction formation.

America is the best democratice country to live for all immigrants. No doubt it. I love , respect and salute America for it`s fairness with it`s CITIZENS. All American citizens regardless of any state, nation , race and religion are being treated with equal respect.

People in Gitmo are not American citizens. They are terrorists and America is treating them like the way they should be treated. There is absolutely NO connection of Gitmo and American citizenship. It is your own perception that you are comparing America with India.

When there is no comparasion. India tortures Kashmiris, doesn`t give them right of freedom and right to breath freely. America is giving every citizen the equal right of freedom and to breath. So, stop CONVOLUTING my posts and ideas. Thank you.

PS:-No more discussions from me on this topic. I already gave my stand clearly. No use of prolonging this discourse unnecessarily. Just if you wish to discuss this issue , discuss with other interactors . It will be a waste of time if, we will continue stretching this issue. Thank you.


#33 guru

guru sahib ji

I am not FOOLING anyone. Please, watch your language. I don`t wish to interact with such kind of language . Thank you.

Yes, I will talk about Hindus if, they are being tortured anywhere in the world like Kashmiris are being tortured currently in India. You see I do not see people as Hindus, Muslims, Christians etc, etc,etc. I see people as territorial or regional beings. For me religion is a personal issue. It has got everything to do with your region or territory. Religion is not even important.

Why will I pretend to fool people? I`ll stand for Balochis ,if they are being tortured by Pakistani Govt. as well. That is the way I am. Thank you.

Re 29:

>Kashmir is not a religious issue

Whom are you fooling? In plain Hindi, Kisko chutya bana rahe ho?

Would a Pakistani talk about rights of Hindu Assamese?

Bakistan itself is an issue (seems a female with a beard) of Aunt and Uncle.