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US–India Deal and Kashmir

M I Khan March 28, 2006

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#1 Posted by arjun_m on March 28, 2006 5:42:38 am

Being a real time front line state in the `war on terror` and such a faithful friend all these years, Islamabad was within its permissible rights to demand a clear message on Kashmir,


Nope..You have no rights..have you forgoten the bombing at Bajaur? Wake up and smell the skimmed-milk,no-foam latte..


A mention of Kashmir before signing the nuclear deal in Delhi would have been crucial to keep Delhi interested in the grinding and lacklustre dialogue process;


It would have done jack squat..India isn`t going to give up an inch of land..At the most, they`ll convert the LoC into the international border.with(maybe) more autonomy for the kashmir valley..



President Bush in Islamabad would have provided President Musharraf a much needed face saving opportunity


You should aim lower..maybe an ``Ooops`` for the bajaur bombing..that would have been a realistic face saving measure..



it is possible that US and Indian interest in the Northern Areas will grow in the years ahead


The Indian junta doesn`t give a rats rear about the northern areas or Pakistan ``occupied`` Kashmir..



it will continue to pull the dialogue process forward to a logical conclusion.


Logical conclusion of converting the LoC into the border..anything more is unacceptable to the Indian junta..and given your inability to change the status quo on the ground, you`ll have to be content with that..
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#2 Posted by nasah on March 28, 2006 6:25:19 am
``One would also hope that Islamabad will not succumb to illusions and insecurities created by the Indo-US partnership, and will continue to seek a just, peaceful and realistic solution best suited to the beleaguered Kashmiris and wrongly `hyphenated` non-Kashmiris who live on both sides of the divided bits and pieces of the former State of Jammu and Kashmir. ``(Ismail Khan)

my dear Ismail Khan -- very levelheaded column -- the problem with Islamabad is that it is not Islamabad but THE Army of Islambad that has to decide if it wants to live in peace with humzaban India or speak Mandarin with the Chinoi.....straddling the divide between USA and China -- a chasm that is going to get wider in coming decades....for the Pakistani legs

In the USA you are right nobody wants to disturb the diversity and the plurality of JKL -- directly linked to the mosaicism that represents India --

those days of exclusionary politics are gone -- United States will not build an exclusionary Islamist paradise for the Pakistan army in the Valley -- that is `infested`` with so many little communities which you have aptly described on both sides of the LOC -- at least publicly

`` to seek a just, peaceful and realistic solution best suited to the beleaguered Kashmiris and wrongly `hyphenated` non-Kashmiris`` -- is to leave its plurality undisturbed -- ``as is``

btw the non Kashmiris on both sides of the divide are NOT wrongly hyphenated -- they are `rightly` hyphenated -- because Kashmir is not an island.....


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#3 Posted by Inquirer on March 28, 2006 6:41:45 am
Re: # 1: Your use of the word ``junta`` is probably unintended and misrepresentative. ``junta`` in english means ``ruling clique,`` often illegal, not ``people`` as you seem to imply.
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#4 Posted by Inquirer on March 28, 2006 6:46:38 am
Re: # 2: By ``wrongly hyphenated,`` I think Ismail states that all other residents who are not Muslims are fully Kashmiris. Your taking issue with it is unclear and confusing. otherwise your response is very sensible.
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#5 Posted by kalihawa on March 28, 2006 6:47:50 am


The assumption that America can exert substantial pressure on either India or Pakistan is misplaced.

India is unhappy that America is not exerting enough pressure on Pakistan to dismantle terrorist camps in its territories while Pakistan is unhappy that America is not exerting enough pressure on India to sit down on negotiating table with Pakistan over question of Kashmir.
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#6 Posted by zeemax on March 28, 2006 6:50:04 am
Good article Khan Saheb.

Actually, Pakistani planners should have been more perceptive of the inevitable `de-hyphenation` since the early 90`s when India liberalized it`s economy and started to dismantle barriers to foreign capital. That signalled a huge change from their traditional stance as a protective economy and, being so large, of-course the develoment couldn`t be ignored.

Thankfully Bush made the difference very clear now, terming the US-Indian initiative as based on `common values`, while that of the US-Pakistan relationship as `common interests.` Of-course, `common values` are a stronger bond than `common interests` therefore each side`s position is now clear. Can Pakistan find a major power in the world with which it shares `common values`? That is the question.

As for Kashmir, there is shift in Pakisttan`s stand since the visit. Now the `autonomy` solution is favoured rather than the traditional insistance on `UN resolutions`, much to the disappointment of militant Kashmiris. The shift is significant and maybe there`ll be a solution sooner rather than later.
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#7 Posted by Urstruly on March 28, 2006 6:54:47 am

JUSTICE IN PAKISTAN

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#8 Posted by Urstruly on March 28, 2006 6:55:49 am

sorry wrong board
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#9 Posted by Urstruly on March 28, 2006 6:55:53 am

sorry wrong board
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#10 Posted by nasah on March 28, 2006 7:05:31 am
Inquirer -- thanks for pointing -- may be I misunderstood the hyphenated bit...
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#11 Posted by Inquirer on March 28, 2006 7:12:04 am
Khan Sahab, looks like you are a Pakistani, I congratulate you for your perfectly sensible article. You make very valid points so I am commenting upon them systematically.

``This is more than a Bollywood film could have scripted for them. ``

****I agree, since I was not fully aware of the background developments that you have very well indicated.****

``To some extent, Islamabad belittled its own self dignity by demanding a matching nuclear energy deal from President Bush, she should have been aware of her needs and of course her `history` before putting the respectable guest in a quandary. ``

****I agree.****

``In short, President Bush left Kashmir to the courage, vision and mercy of the two leaders. During his five days in South Asia, he did not even mention the `the people living in Kashmir`, which he amazingly did during his pre-visit remarks.``

****Your assessment is true, however, it needs to be noted that the South Asians are one people and Bush is really helping, howsoever indirectly, in the final rapprochement of the population of the entire subcontinent. It is incidental, though very important for Bush as an American leader, to ensure the benefits for the Americans.****

``If we look at Washington`s position on Kashmir it is clear that despite `India being in the Soviet camp` during the cold war, Washington`s policy on Kashmir has always sought a middle ground. The Dixon Plan, named after its author Sir Owen Dixon, who was the UN representative for India and Pakistan in the 1950s, envisaged a division of Kashmir between India and Pakistan on the basis of the existing divisions of the state. ``

****The essence of the Dixon Plan as summarized by you seems to be entirely valid , dooable and do-worthy.****

``Under a lease agreement Gilgit Agency was under British control months prior to the partitions, while Baltistan was carved out from the Ladakh wizarat. Gilgit and Baltistan border China, India, Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan, since, Indo-US understanding rests on grooming India as a counter balance to China; it is possible that US and Indian interest in the Northern Areas will grow in the years ahead, which of course is not good for Kashmiris seeking a valley centric Kashmir solution.

``Islamabad should have realized that beyond some public pronouncements concerning popular sentiments of the state subjects, Washington`s policy has demonstrated a broader understanding about the diversity of culture, interest and political aspiration of Gujjars, Bakkarwals, Kashmiri Pandits, Dogras, Ladakhi Buddhists in the Indian side, and Balti, Gilgiti, Shia, Sunni, Ismaili and Noorbukshi divides in the Northern Areas of Pakistan. ``

****Very perceptive. The facts recognized here would become increasingly important in the geo-politics of the subcontinent. And it behooves the Pakistani people and the leadership to learn the requisite lessons so that they do not align themselves in wrong and self-defeating corners.****

``One would also hope that Islamabad will not succumb to illusions and insecurities created by the Indo-US partnership, and will continue to seek a just, peaceful and realistic solution best suited to the beleaguered Kashmiris and wrongly `hyphenated` non-Kashmiris who live on both sides of the divided bits and pieces of the former State of Jammu and Kashmir. ``

****This would indeed be an equivalent of your first statement discussed above, for Pakistan. Let us call it Islamawood instead of Bollywood. Will this happen? I hope it would because, I have not lost hope in honest and sensible Muslims. All of the are not radical-terrorists. Proof? nasah, nazarhayatkhan and you.****

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#12 Posted by ballukhan on March 28, 2006 7:47:59 am
Real Politik does not work the way the author of this article wants. I do not think there is a great feeling about US on the Indian side. THe author is completely off the mark and is merely expresing the typical Pakistani fear of losing a powerful ally to its`s Army`s sworn `enemy`. I think that US has now unambigously distanced itself from the charge of duplicity in dealing with international terrorism. It has now comprehensively accepted the Indian view point that Kashmiri unrest was propagated by unleashing Jehadism and the Pakistan state was deeply involved in controlling the source and training of international terrorism..........US has now told the Paki General to lay off Kashmir and forget that US is going to support them ever diplomatically over Kashmiri Jehadism...............It is high time the Pakistanis understand that their years of investment in Jehadism for the purposes of annexing Kashmir has backfired and is infact killing itself silently.............Instead of bickering about it accept it and try to live peacefully with India than try exporting Jehadism!!!
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#13 Posted by zeemax on March 28, 2006 8:15:52 am
Quote from Prem Shankar Jha March 2004:

High on the list, of course, will come the opening of the LoC between the two parts at various crossing points for travel and trade between the two Kashmirs. It will then be up to India and Pakistan to work out how this will be confined only to Kashmiris.

But why should it remain confined to the Kashmiris? Why should Pakistanis not be able to visit Indian Kashmir and Indians not be allowed to visit Azad Kashmir and the northern areas. The people of these regions can only gain from the increase in tourism that will result. Greater contact will also break down stereotypes and build friendships.

The next obvious step would be to extend freedom of trade and transit between the two Kashmirs to freedom of trade and transit for Kashmiris from each part of Kashmir with the whole of the other country. In practice this would be difficult to keep separate from a more general move towards full trading and consular relations between India and Pakistan. But that is something that civil society in Pakistan is already asking for with increasing assertiveness, for the simple reason that its benefits for Pakistan far outweigh its benefits for India.

The process outlined above will take several years to work out because it is immensely complex. But it is worth remembering that the European Union also came into being a full thirty years after the creation of the European Common Market. What we need to remember is that in the building up of trust, the first steps are the most difficult. If India and Pakistan agree, however tacitly, that the above road is broadly the only one that they can follow, then each step that they go down it will make the next step easier, and the process itself faster. In the end the benefits of a simultaneous resolution of the Kashmir dispute and the coming into being of a SAARC free market, will so far outweigh the costs that people will be left wondering why it all took so long.


This is the only solution possible. The North/South Tyrol example between Austria and Italy.The first part has already come true.

(Prem Shankar Jha has written extensively on the Kashmir issue. He was the editor of the Hindustan Times and author of Kashmir 1947- The Origins of a Dispute.)
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#14 Posted by Inquirer on March 28, 2006 8:28:57 am
Re: # 13,zeemax:
Can it be presumed that you agree with your presented quote without comment?

What pleasurable interaction this has been, so far.
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#15 Posted by zeemax on March 28, 2006 8:38:45 am
#14 by Inquirer

I did the give the comment at the bottom i.e.

This is the only solution possible. The North/South Tyrol example between Austria and Italy.The first part has already come true.

Yes I really believe that.
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#16 Posted by arjun_m on March 28, 2006 8:46:13 am
#13 by zeemax on March 28, 2006 8:15am PT


This is the only solution possible.


I totally agree..It`s the move-on-with-life solution..It`s working well with India-China..
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