Pak Armed Forces vs. Pakistan
Gull R Khan April 3, 2006
#114 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:34:57 am
Dear Author,
...Without indulging myself into a complex right or wrong debate, or making any attempt to decipher background historical and political riddles, I would like to recount some simple straight-forward observations that no naked eye can miss....
Just because things like complexity, right/wrong, historical/political riddles are beyond your moronic horizon, kindly refrain from submitting such articles because you may be mistaken for a douchebag ...
...Without indulging myself into a complex right or wrong debate, or making any attempt to decipher background historical and political riddles, I would like to recount some simple straight-forward observations that no naked eye can miss....
Just because things like complexity, right/wrong, historical/political riddles are beyond your moronic horizon, kindly refrain from submitting such articles because you may be mistaken for a douchebag ...
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#113 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:27:54 am
#615 by zeemax on April 3, 2006 7:23am PT
#613 by tahmed32
You know, you are a good boy after all ... a bit naive maybe, but shining stars in the eyes are basically good, though they do cloud the vision. (sigh).
Do you remember the article I wrote here a long time ago named ``Ikeesween sadi ka dastoor`` or something like that? Do look it up. Many of the measures I had proposed then have actually been taken, like splitting up of WAPDA, Saarc etc. Others too will eventually have to be taken.
The biggest challenge facing Pak right now is urbanization. Your cities are bursting apart at the seams, dying a slow death with the related social ills borne out of urbanization. Can you go and watch a movie with family now, which you could easily and enjoyably do just 30 years ago? That is because of urbanization.
There is nothing in the rural areas for educated people. 2/3rd of your populace is neglected. You can only educate people to disillusion them and add to your jobless rate. The only jobs are in the cities. Rural uplift is not even on the agenda.
All that needs to be done immediately is massive public spending on rural infrastructure, and relative prosperity can be achieved. If you just route a major road alongside a number of small towns/villages, all sorts of economic activity begins.
Why isn`t that on the agenda?
#613 by tahmed32
You know, you are a good boy after all ... a bit naive maybe, but shining stars in the eyes are basically good, though they do cloud the vision. (sigh).
Do you remember the article I wrote here a long time ago named ``Ikeesween sadi ka dastoor`` or something like that? Do look it up. Many of the measures I had proposed then have actually been taken, like splitting up of WAPDA, Saarc etc. Others too will eventually have to be taken.
The biggest challenge facing Pak right now is urbanization. Your cities are bursting apart at the seams, dying a slow death with the related social ills borne out of urbanization. Can you go and watch a movie with family now, which you could easily and enjoyably do just 30 years ago? That is because of urbanization.
There is nothing in the rural areas for educated people. 2/3rd of your populace is neglected. You can only educate people to disillusion them and add to your jobless rate. The only jobs are in the cities. Rural uplift is not even on the agenda.
All that needs to be done immediately is massive public spending on rural infrastructure, and relative prosperity can be achieved. If you just route a major road alongside a number of small towns/villages, all sorts of economic activity begins.
Why isn`t that on the agenda?
#112 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:24:57 am
#108 by tahmed32
The same where we were having an argument ... wait I`ll reproduce it here ...
The same where we were having an argument ... wait I`ll reproduce it here ...
#111 Posted by harish_hyd on April 5, 2006 5:24:08 am
#106 by tahmed32
As anyone can see, Pakistanis are quite vocal about their views on democracy, the military and everything else and dont mind debating things among themselves.
Well sure, like on the other board when you were very vocal about the Gujarat riots and the number of guilty convicted, but disappeared when asked about the number of guilty convicted for the genocide in East Pakistan in 1971.
Unlike you single-tune Indians who can only toe the line of your state-sponsored propaganda machine. That is what makes chowk smelly due to Indians. And also the ``Indian form of discussion`` (i.e. namecalling, abuse) llustrated in #100.
A Paki accusing others of toeing ``state-sponsored propaganda`` is funny. To this day Pakis actually write letters accusing the Indian government of massacring 100,000 Kashmiris when even generous figures by western agencies puts the toll at around 70,000 which includes soldiers, civilians caught in cross-fire, terrorists and informers eliminated by the terrorists. So there.
I will be generous, though, and assume that chowk gets more than the average share of the scum and the clinically insane (like jay) among indians come to chowk.
Thanks for the ``generosity``, but what is worse? Name-calling and abuse? Or actually picking up an AK-47 and setting out to kill Indians as you Pakis have been doing?
As anyone can see, Pakistanis are quite vocal about their views on democracy, the military and everything else and dont mind debating things among themselves.
Well sure, like on the other board when you were very vocal about the Gujarat riots and the number of guilty convicted, but disappeared when asked about the number of guilty convicted for the genocide in East Pakistan in 1971.
Unlike you single-tune Indians who can only toe the line of your state-sponsored propaganda machine. That is what makes chowk smelly due to Indians. And also the ``Indian form of discussion`` (i.e. namecalling, abuse) llustrated in #100.
A Paki accusing others of toeing ``state-sponsored propaganda`` is funny. To this day Pakis actually write letters accusing the Indian government of massacring 100,000 Kashmiris when even generous figures by western agencies puts the toll at around 70,000 which includes soldiers, civilians caught in cross-fire, terrorists and informers eliminated by the terrorists. So there.
I will be generous, though, and assume that chowk gets more than the average share of the scum and the clinically insane (like jay) among indians come to chowk.
Thanks for the ``generosity``, but what is worse? Name-calling and abuse? Or actually picking up an AK-47 and setting out to kill Indians as you Pakis have been doing?
#110 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:23:35 am
Indians` latest fashionware .. haha ... take note before FV deletes it ....
#109 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:20:41 am
...contd...#105 to nighaty
And, obviously you are unaware that Taliban were NOT a part of Mujhedin, but emerged on the scene AFTER the soviets had already left!
And, obviously you are unaware that Taliban were NOT a part of Mujhedin, but emerged on the scene AFTER the soviets had already left!
#108 Posted by tahmed32 on April 5, 2006 5:18:59 am
zeemax: sorry. i must have missed. could you tell me the board and post number again please?
#107 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:16:33 am
tahmed32 saheb, you haven`t commented on my `rural uplift` post on the other board. What? Tired of economics already? More interested in `inventive` shaairi? ;-)
#106 Posted by tahmed32 on April 5, 2006 5:08:16 am
#103 As anyone can see, Pakistanis are quite vocal about their views on democracy, the military and everything else and dont mind debating things among themselves. Unlike you single-tune Indians who can only toe the line of your state-sponsored propaganda machine. That is what makes chowk smelly due to Indians. And also the ``Indian form of discussion`` (i.e. namecalling, abuse) llustrated in #100.
I will be generous, though, and assume that chowk gets more than the average share of the scum and the clinically insane (like jay) among indians come to chowk.
I will be generous, though, and assume that chowk gets more than the average share of the scum and the clinically insane (like jay) among indians come to chowk.
#105 Posted by zeemax on April 5, 2006 5:05:52 am
#95 by nighaty
.... Afghan Mujahedin on well-fortified Jalalabad despite serious reservations from Afghan field commanders (that they are not used to regular warfare). Not surprisingly, the whole operation turned out to be a fiasco....
What nonsense. You must be joking. Check your facts. That episode was when Taliban had captured an abandoned Soviet stronghold now held by other warlords near Jalalabad with Hameed Gul`s advisors help, and waiting for clearance from Pakistan to take over Jalalabad. That clearance was given and Talban`s government was recognised by Pakistan even before they had entered Kabul. Hameed Gul was actively involved with Taliban, NOT the Mujahedin who were mainly under control of Ahmed Shah Masud, Dostum and others. Certainly no friends of Pakistan. Pakistan was just funnelling money and arms to everyone.
Do you have any references for what you have stated so pompuously?
.... Afghan Mujahedin on well-fortified Jalalabad despite serious reservations from Afghan field commanders (that they are not used to regular warfare). Not surprisingly, the whole operation turned out to be a fiasco....
What nonsense. You must be joking. Check your facts. That episode was when Taliban had captured an abandoned Soviet stronghold now held by other warlords near Jalalabad with Hameed Gul`s advisors help, and waiting for clearance from Pakistan to take over Jalalabad. That clearance was given and Talban`s government was recognised by Pakistan even before they had entered Kabul. Hameed Gul was actively involved with Taliban, NOT the Mujahedin who were mainly under control of Ahmed Shah Masud, Dostum and others. Certainly no friends of Pakistan. Pakistan was just funnelling money and arms to everyone.
Do you have any references for what you have stated so pompuously?
#104 Posted by kaptain on April 5, 2006 5:04:24 am
Re: # 99
@arstoo - well mister..Maa Behan is something sacred for anybody..rising above any creed and religion..
now u come..and show us that these categories..(Maa & Behans) are show case pieces and disposable Barbie dolls..
it turned out to be a turn - off..
anyways..nice going..;)..keep posting..
@arstoo - well mister..Maa Behan is something sacred for anybody..rising above any creed and religion..
now u come..and show us that these categories..(Maa & Behans) are show case pieces and disposable Barbie dolls..
it turned out to be a turn - off..
anyways..nice going..;)..keep posting..
#103 Posted by harish_hyd on April 5, 2006 4:59:28 am
#98 by tahmed32
[ha! ha! That is the only worthwhile post on this miserable board which has been further reduced to garbage by the usual smelly Indian propagandists.]
Wah bhai Wah! The lack of democracy in Pakistan is Indian propaganda? You guys will blame even your constipation on India. Is it any wonder that democracy in Pakistan is as elusive today as it was 50 years ago?
[ha! ha! That is the only worthwhile post on this miserable board which has been further reduced to garbage by the usual smelly Indian propagandists.]
Wah bhai Wah! The lack of democracy in Pakistan is Indian propaganda? You guys will blame even your constipation on India. Is it any wonder that democracy in Pakistan is as elusive today as it was 50 years ago?
#102 Posted by tahmed32 on April 5, 2006 4:52:23 am
sri bhagwanlal #100: you can flatter yourself by calling yourself arstoo. that is a classic sign of indians on chowk.
and i see you are repeating what your pita ji (the head-shaking little man in real life) said to you every morning. ha! ha!
and i see you are repeating what your pita ji (the head-shaking little man in real life) said to you every morning. ha! ha!
#101 Posted by arstoo on April 5, 2006 4:24:59 am
REf#97 & 98
Guys,
No hard feelings. It was 15 year old kid in me who wanted to have some masti.
Guys,
No hard feelings. It was 15 year old kid in me who wanted to have some masti.
#100 Posted by arstoo on April 5, 2006 4:16:21 am
Ref#98
Dear Tahmat,
With due respect I would like to urge
Jaata kahan hai Tahmat, teri maa ka bho?da
Cho?ay ge subah-o-sham, teri maa ka bho?da
Iqbal, Mir-o-Momino, Ghalib ki Maan ki C??t
Oye Umar khayam teri to maa ka bho?da
Dear Tahmat,
With due respect I would like to urge
Jaata kahan hai Tahmat, teri maa ka bho?da
Cho?ay ge subah-o-sham, teri maa ka bho?da
Iqbal, Mir-o-Momino, Ghalib ki Maan ki C??t
Oye Umar khayam teri to maa ka bho?da
#99 Posted by arstoo on April 5, 2006 4:10:49 am
REF#97
Bhapay Kapitan,
Don`t get emotional yaar. You started with Sardar ji joke. When you got well deserved answer you are now trying to hide behind the wall of decorum and pakistani nafasat. But I must tell you
Zakar-ba-dast chalay aa rahe hain kuch Mughlim,
Bacha sako to bacha lo aaj kapitan sahib ko
Bhapay Kapitan,
Don`t get emotional yaar. You started with Sardar ji joke. When you got well deserved answer you are now trying to hide behind the wall of decorum and pakistani nafasat. But I must tell you
Zakar-ba-dast chalay aa rahe hain kuch Mughlim,
Bacha sako to bacha lo aaj kapitan sahib ko
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