Remembering Allama Iqbal

Stuka, PMishra

Few of us fully understand the matters of religious conversions and religious subversions. Both these areas demand systematic study from an Indian point of view.

Until, as a society, we make that investment, we will be dealing in speculation.

PMishra:

Just to set the record straight about islamic conversion by force. I am sick of hearing silly lies about ``peaceful sufi conversion``.


What do you mean? In Punjab at least, conversion took place amongst entire clans and tribes in a voluntary manner.

India should award the Bharat Ratna, Padma Bhusan or some such high honor to Iqbal. Imagine if he had not provided his ``ideological`` framework and there was no partition - India would be in a horrible mess. More than 40% population would be muslim who would be setting off suicide bombs all over the place and committing terrorism up and down the entire subcontinent. There would have been huge quotas in all institutions not only on caste but religious basis. The Zamindari system of feudals would have continued so as not to offend muslims. Democracy would have become a joke with constant pandering to muslim sentiments. Economic progress would have been at a standstill with every issue evaluated based on communal grounds.

So Iqbal and Jinnah are true Indian heroes. They were the ultimate patriots. Perhaps their hindu ancestral genes kicked in as they decided to demand and separate muslims from hindus and give the lion share to India. Hindus did not have the guts to demand such a solution on their own since we are too politically correct. However, the muslims did it for us and handed over the subcontinent to us on a platter. Now we are enjoying a booming economy, overall resurgence as a nation and our hindu culture and religion is once again in bloom. Thank you Iqbal and Thank you Jinnah!! You guys are my heroes!!

As a poet of Urdu and Farsi, Iqbal was unparalelled and unexcelled. Those who have read his poems ``Tasveer-e-Dard,`` ``Shamah aur Shaaer,`` ``Shikwah`` ``Jawab-e-Shikwah,`` ``Masjad-e-Qurtbah`` and many others cannot remain unaffected by the beauty and excellence of his poetry.

In Shamah aur Shaaer, he (poet) complains and says to shamah:

Muddatay maanand-e- tu mun hum nafs mee sokhtam
Dar tawaaf-e-sholah-um baal-ey nah zudd parwanah-ee

(Like you, I too burnt my own self for a long time
Not a single gnat (parwanah) burnt its wings in my flame)

The shamah says in response:

Mein tau jalti hoo`n keh haiy muzmar meri fitrat mein soz
Tu froza`an haiy keh parwano`n ko ho saudah tera

On Karl Marx, he wrote:

Aa`n Kaleem-e-betajjalli, aa`n Maseeh-e-besaleeb
Neest paighambar wa-lekan dar baghal darad Kitab

(He (Marx) was Moses without Illumination, he was Messiah (Christ) without a Cross
He was not a prophet but had the book (Das Kapita) in the pit of his arm)

The books of Moses and Christ are Torah and Bible. He was a great poet. And you know, ``Shaaeri juzw-eest az paighambri.``

Mohammad Gill

#5 kulharee

Just to set the record straight about islamic conversion by force. I am sick of hearing silly lies about ``peaceful sufi conversion``.

Once the relationship between violence and islamic conversion is clear,a lot of things fall into place. Iqbal`s attitudes can also been seen as a function of the violence visited on his family; a kind of stockholm syndrome.

Ms.Hassan , glad to know you are the President of the pacifist group `Muslims Against Terrorism`. Once you have a Muslim majority in your neighbhourhood of Ontorio, shall we expect a liberation struggle for a Canadi-Pakistan in your neck of the woods?

Jang:

No, I enjoy his humor. The problem with online interaction is that words are taken in black and white with no context of emotion. Anyways, shite happens and we move on.

Hamas Calls For `Giant Summit` With All Israelis
February 15, 2006 | Issue 42•07

RAMALLAH, WEST BANK—After his militant Islamic party took the majority in Palestine`s recent elections, Ismail Haniyeh called for a ``giant summit with all living Israelis`` Monday, rekindling international hopes for peace in the war-torn region.



Ismail Haniyeh urges Israeli participation in ``bringing closure`` to conflict in the Middle East.
Haniyeh characterized the one-day summit as ``the final solution to the Israeli-Palestinian dispute,`` and invited every Jewish citizen of the world to attend. Haniyeh said he expects more than 5 million participants from Israel alone.

``It was foolish of us to think that a satisfactory resolution could be reached through small-scale aggression,`` Haniyeh said. ``It will take more than the sporadic deaths of small groups of Israeli civilians to achieve our ends.``

``This summit is long overdue,`` he added.

Haniyeh, who once said that Palestinian independence could only be achieved through the destruction of Israel, has apparently reversed his stance.

``It is clear to us now that a positive outcome will not be possible unless many, many sacrifices are made,`` Haniyeh said. ``I give my word that the Israeli people shall have their cries for peace heard for miles around.``

Haniyeh did not disclose the issues that will be discussed at the summit, saying only that he ``would be very surprised if the entire process took longer than a couple of hours.``

Haniyeh also extended an invitation to any high-ranking American official who would like to moderate the proceedings.

``We will achieve our goals with or without foreign help,`` Haniyeh said. ``However, if George W. Bush or other top-level U.S. officials wish to attend, it would certainly make those first, most difficult steps a lot easier to take.``

In a public statement Tuesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad endorsed the ``Hamas-led peace process,`` and offered the use of Tehran`s Azadi Stadium as an ``impartial location away from the distracting glare of publicity.``

``It is about time for a summit of this nature,`` Ahmadinejad said. ``The people of Iran will do anything they can to help further this crucial process.``

According to Haniyeh, Israelis need only arrive with an open mind, insisting that the summit can have a positive outcome only if traditional and long-standing prejudices ``are left at the door, along with any weapons, gas masks, or bulletproof vests.``

``Security is of the utmost importance, which is why the summit will be watched over by my most loyal and experienced men,`` Haniyeh said. ``To this end, every Israeli will also be marked with a six-digit protection number.``

Hamas has already gone to significant lengths to ensure that Israeli Jews will be able to attend the summit, including transportation via specially chartered freight trains.

``Very much like a cleansing fire, the summit will wipe the slate of Arab-Jewish relations utterly and irreversibly clean,`` Haniyeh said. ``By the end of our negotiations, those who walk out of the summit will be very pleased.``

``With the blessing of Allah, we will soon see every last obstacle standing in the path to harmony exterminated,`` Haniyeh added. ``Like the filthy dogs they are.``

No official response to Hamas` summit proposal has yet been made. However, it is widely believed that acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his cabinet will propose an alternative mass summit to which Hamas party officials and their Palestinian supporters will be similarly welcomed.

stuka.. dont make ali hold-back on his insults..they are priceless.

#24 no worries dude

Okay cut it out guys! enough is enough...Here is a good one. From Onion.

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Dude, u know I live in the bay area. My exposure to Indian media is the same as yours. But that has nothing to do with insulting someone. I could prolly make some stuff up on the fly regardless of your religion. Like if u were Parsi, I could go off on vultures eating dead bodies. You of all people should know that. Are your insults on Hinduism solely due to Pakistani media???

#23 you seem to be a victim of the 24/7 propaganda spewed by the Indian media.

Ali

My apologies. I have my own personal views about religious conversion be it from any religion. My last post was written in anger and I was more interested in matching insult for insult. However, since the initial insult was mine (though inadvertant) I apologize for my last post. Hope you accwept in good grace.

Ali:

As opposed to waving your collective backsides at the moon, raping six year old girls and blowing your selves up for a supposed collection of virgins?

Yeah, compared to those phukked up rituals and pagan attitudes, ours is a religion.

stuka # 16:
``A convert disgraces his religion, heritage and family name. ``

Its rich on your part to call a collection of pagan rituals including performing human sacrifice and eating animal excrement ``religion``.