Remembering Allama Iqbal

#121 nasah

Nice of summary of the guy. Reminds me of Sarvarkar and, in recent times, VS Naipaul.

Brilliant people but for personal or other reasons not able to rise beyond personal prejudice or other influences. Fascism and strong-men were very popular the 30s including throughout the so-called democratic countries.

Zeena> Let me be blunt: Can you please give a list of Iqbal scholars from anywhere in the world--no, just give me the name of ONE such scholar--who subscribes to your theory.
Thank you.
Asif

Re: # 143

bhai, having an affair with someone and marrying them are two different things....
I`m not saying they got it on but it is a possibility and racism doesn`t come into affairs of the heart.

It should work:

Masjid-i-Qurtuba

Recited by Muhammed Ali in his majestic voice:

Listen to:`` Masjid-i-Qurtuba``:

A complete set of the entire Kalaam , farsi & urdu, read and recited by Muhammed Ali, the great orator-Actor, is available from Iqbal Academy. A video production is in the works. The Director, Suheyl Umer shared with me some of the highlights & plans. It seems that we could expect a high calibre production.

Re: # 135

Asif,

Good one! There is a poem on Khush`hal Khan known as `` The Will of Khush`hal Khan`` in Balae` Jibreel. Check that out. He also wrote something on Nadir Shah in the same collection. A famous line from the poem on Khushal Khan that we were taught in our childhood was:

~Muhabbat Mujhae Un Jawanoan Sae Hae
Sitaroan Pae Jo Daltae` Haen Kamand

I am not convinced that it is the complexity of ideas in Iqbal`s poetry that makes him stand-out. I believe that his poetry is a reflection of the observations and experiences based on his travels over the course of many years. Obviously, there has to be some richness in those experiences. Without that, the reader may not care much for the poet`s insights.

#134 by Naqshbandi on April 16, 2006 5:45am PT
there is i believe letters from his german language teacher, maybe it was a love affair, i`m not sure. we must also remember at that time europe was very racist society,all we have to do is read the history of jews in germany at that time, also european society was very conservative, catholic would`t marry a protestant etc.

Re: # 129

Zeena:

A very beautiful poem.

``Life`s no life when honor`s left
The knowing, the perceptive man
The coming of winter ``

Post some more....

Anil

PALGIARISM
#135 by Naqshbandi on April 16, 2006 5:53am PT
Re: # 129

Zeena,


{{Comparing one of the greatest minds of the past century to an obscure Pushtu poet! }}

This is exactly what I have been pointing out in my previous posts. Majority of Pakistanis depict this typical mindset with prejudice and narrowminded approach towards pushtoons and Punjabies are exclusive among them.

Samething that Lahorie/sialkotie Iqbal did ............intellectual dishonesty. That is why he is the biggest PALGIARIST of th century.

He infact cut and paste Khushal Khan Baba`s ideology and didn`t have decency to admit it.

Mantra

Are you a Hindu? If you are, and your name is not Subhash Gatade, then Hindus might as well pick up their marbles and go home. Mother Earth does not have strong enough shoulders to carry the weight of so much stupidity.

Urdu daanoN keliye...






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the BEST book in English for those who want an introduction to Iqbal and his poetry is the following by Mustansir Mir:

Tulip in the Desert

I think it is fair to say that Allama Sahib`s views changed a lot throughout his life and that is natural for an intellectual. Many things change our perceptions and views including, above all, experience and our education.

He was influenced by many factors: his pious father`s deep spirituality and traditonal sufi Islam, his mother`s love, Maulvi Shams al Ulama, his teachers at his school and at Govt College Lahore especially the English professor (can`t recall his name: Arnold?), his time in Cambridge, and London, his years in Munich in Germany, Rumi, the so called Muslim progressives of the Aligarh Movement (Ross Masood being one of his best friends), Indian nationalism, the plight of Muslims, Islamic history--both political and philosophical, world current affairs, Nietzsche and Western philosophical thought, and so on. A man is not an island...
His views on Islam were what could probably be called today `reformist` or modernist except for one crucial aspect:

His deep love for the Beloved Prophet and his Family stayed with him throughout his life and his longing for Madina and spiritual union with Huzoor Paak increased as his life reached its end. This is evident from the Persian Armaghan i Hijaz as Anne-Marie Schimmel has so clearly shown.

He was a complex man, a great man and a visionary one. Being human he was also flawed but his greatness is beyond doubt.

Re: # 136
sorry not sure if she was from Bombay or Delhi!

More on Iqbal and Women:

There is also the alleged affair between Allama Sahib and Attiya Faizi -- a rich Bombay socialite -- whilst in Europe....and there is a lot of existing correspondence between them. That they were close friends is undisputed. Whether they were lovers too is a matter of scholarly debate. Certainly when he came to Germany he made a point of inviting only her from his English friends to come and visit him in Germany and they spent a lot of time together alone...:-)

She even wrote a book about him which is out of print now and which I`d love to read...

Re: # 129

Zeena,

If you read my post i did not mention majority of pakistanis. I said his works have been studied in depth by Westerners in Western universities for the past 70 odd years and every facet of his life and work have been researched by THEM. Not one of these Iqbalian scholars (not Pakistanis) note has ever suggested that he plagiarised Khushal Khan Khattak. So I suppose using your logic Iqbal has been fooling the whole world`s scholars for nearly a century?!!

Come on woman, get out of this ethnic and regional mindset! I`m not sure but I think Allama Sahib has a poem about this Khushaal Khan Khattak. Perhaps echoboom bhai can help us here?

Comparing one of the greatest minds of the past century to an obscure Pushtu poet!

Re: # 130

His own son Javed Iqbal mentions it in his biography of Allama Sahib called Zindarud. Iqbal referred to his time in Germany as ``the best years of my life``. Letters between him and his various German frauleins exist.