The Untruth of an Indian Majority

Re: # 26
You and the author of this article are at the different ends of a spectrum. Mr.Mani denies even the existence of Hindu identity, and describes Hindu fundamentalism in isolation. I am skeptical about ur thoughts.

Ours is a Hindu-Muslim syncretic culture and this happened over 1000 yrs. This is not the exact quote, but none other than

Swami Vivekananda said something to the effect of modern India should have Vedantic brain and Islamic body ....or something like that.

If some one knows the exact quote please post.

Re: # 31
>>>>No more discussions from my side. Nice interacting with you. Bye<<<<

I have seen you before, this is your typical democratic interaction style. Self-righteous ``no more discussions`` at the drop of a hat, moral superiority humbug. I brought up Jehadi terror since I have seen your postings supporting it.

And you are dumb too. Get a text book and read about neurones and hormones. Hormones and nurones interact, they don`t work independently.

Respect begets respect.

Regards,

#29 bharath sahib

Kindly do not turn this discussion in to some useless jehadi mud slinging. I am absolutely not the kind to waste your precious time in to some jehadi agenda. If you are jehadi or whatever, be it. Please, try not to involve me in to this Hindu / Muslim wrestling.

This is exactly I pointed out, you have proven me RIGHT. Yes, people like you take no seconds to turn a beautiful rainbow (diversity and multiethnicity) in to some ugly brawls at the cost of your hormones, not at the cost of neurons.

No more discussions from my side. Nice interacting with you. Bye

The author of this article is piss-farting arround with good intentions.

It does not matter what individual groups think about themselves, how ever they classify themselves.

I object to author`s claim that India can not be classified as a Hindu country. Historically the intlectuals living in the sub continent for tens of thousands of year consides this part of world as one country cultuarly.

More over let us not worry too much about Hindutwa etc. What have they done and what they can do? BJP was in power can any body give me one example of BJP passing a law against any miniority. What is this nehuruvian fuss about.

Leave it to democracy and people will sort out the things for every body.

The biggest threat to India is from lack of democracy in the political parties. There seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel.

Re: # 27 ZEENA
>>>>>If this is what you are stating in your article is true, then I wish to migrate to India........
But, why I don`t see same rainbow colors here on chowk ? <<<<<

WOW!!!!!. Hormone free neuronal lady, you are very rude jumping in like that!!!

Which multicolor rainbow you dwell in promoting jehadi terror? under FBI watch??



Main Entry: self-righ·teous
Pronunciation: -`rI-ch&s
Function: adjective
: convinced of one`s own righteousness especially in contrast with the actions and beliefs of others : narrow-mindedly moralistic
- self-righ·teous·ly adverb
- self-righ·teous·ness noun

On side note:-

``The rainbow`s beauty consists of its many hues, and the grandeur of a symphony in its many harmonies and colorations. Unity does not mean uniformity.`` -- Rabbi J.H. Gelberman

Dear Writer

Multiethnicity in India with out dominance of any religion and yet to practice any religion is the beauty of rainbow with different colors , holding together in a same distance , making each color equally significant with out dominance of one color.

If this is what you are stating in your article is true, then I wish to migrate to India........

But, why I don`t see same rainbow colors here on chowk ?

Everyone is slurring their own religious agendas with deep rooted hatred for the others.

Everyone is trying to convince others , but funny thing is no one is ever convinced. Everyone is playing by their hormones, not by their neurones. Thanks

Ref bharath #25

[In all fairness if Savarkar had been PM of India b/w 1947-64 instead of Nehru do you think we would be here in 2006 as a secular democracy? do you think we would have become a Hindu Pakistan and a failure?]

We would have become a Hindu India AND a roaring success.

RE# kaalchakra
``Give up these Nehruvian delusions.``

I accept there are genuine Hindu grievances as I pointed out
to the author.

In all fairness if Savarkar had been PM of India b/w 1947-64
instead of Nehru do you think we would be here in 2006 as a secular
democracy? do you think we would have become a Hindu Pakistan
and a failure?

Just a theoretical question.

Regards,

Re: # 19

I agree..

Casteism is the biggest scourge of Hindu society. Hopefully with this urbanization and cross province migration, we will see the end of it sooner than later.

Rgds,

#17 Rakesh

[…Pakistan.. they`re quite capable of solving their own weighty problems.]

Absolutely, they were just getting ready to solve the ISI – Taliban nexus problem when that call from Colin Powell woke up mian Mushy! If only the US had talked sweetly to them – why, the problem would be just on the verge of solution by about this time!

Just like they “solved” the Indian Airlines hijacking problem – and the problem of the involvement of the ISI!

Just like they “solved” their minority “problem”!

The Pakistani leaders have figured out the perfect way to solve problems.

The perfect way, of course, is to convert the crimes into innocuous victimless crimes!

The way to make things victimless is, of course, to get rid of the victims!

Simple solutions – Pakistani ishhtyle!

#21 Kaal
[…if Pakistanis have any choice, Indian example will be the last one they will emulate]

Kaal, Kaal, Kaal…

There you go again! Missing out on the obvious deep, driving desire among the Pakistani population to follow the Indians lock, stock, and barrel – in fact, their absolute tendency to go one step better!

Indians blast the bomb, Pakistanis do too.

Indians grab Kashmir, Pakistanis do too.

Indians use water for toilet – Pakistanis (perhaps) do too!

Indians (okay, some Indians) push the sharia law – Pakistanis do too!

Indians (okay, some Indians) cheer for the Pakistani cricket team – Pakistanis do too!

Indians go out in street and raise slogans against the USA – Pakistanis do too!

Indian mullahs rant and rave from their minarets – Pakistani mullahs do too!

Indians follow the green (money), Pakistanis have become so green – they perhaps glow in the dark!

Indians killed some Indian Sikhs, Pakistanis killed most of theirs!

Indians (okay, ONE Indian) think Jinnah was god – Pakistanis do, too!

And last but not least….

Indian soldiers beat up on Pakistanis – Pakistani soldiers do too!

``India should set the example....``

Give up these Nehruvian delusions. Power and wealth are the only examples people follow.

If Pakistan becomes rich and powerful tomorrow, most Indians will be following them.

Besides, if Pakistanis have any choice, Indian example will be the last one they will emulate. (nor must we self-righteously expect them to do so).

Rakesh Mani, {``Unlike the Semitic faiths, the sense of collective identity is naturally weak and attempts by the Hindutva movement to, essentially, unite Hindus by semitizing the faith in order to foster such identity is a spineless attempt at gaining political power – the ethnic identities are too weighty to be displaced by a shared perception of Hinduism. ``}

Rakesh,
Thank you for a positive and convincing article about what really makes India the most stable. liberal, secular, and progressive country in the region. While certain Semitic faiths may advocate collective identity, the fact is that among them too ethnicity and provincialism are paramount. Pakistan is a living and dying testimonial to the paramount nature of ethnic, linguistic, and provincial characteristics of humans. The good thing about Hinduism is that it has stopped trying to attain what never was and never will be.

avkrishna #11

`` Too bad that you blindly fall for this `Psuedo-Secular` propoganda.

Just because Hindus are divided on various other dimensions does not mean that they should not and cannot have a higher order religion based identity.

For all it`s various different sects/languages, Hindus have some commonalities in their beliefs. One can go deep into it, but let`s keep the theoritical discussion aside.

Your article argues against a political Hindutva movement. I disagree. You only need to look at the systematic discrimination of Hindus in the last 50 years to understand why we need and why we have a political expression of Hinduism.

Apart from that, we face a two-front battle against two very powerful enemies (the hard battle with Islam and the softer battle with Christianity). The need for unification of Hindus, esp. on political dimension is much greater now than in the past. ``

The biggest threat to political Hinduism is caste system. Unless the hard edges of the caste system are blunted you will be a divided entity.

Hindus are unified on a cultural level more than even Indian or Pakistani Muslims.

#17 Rakesh

[The reality is that both India and Pakistan risk being hijacked by fundamentalism...]

Absolutely.

In fact, if one is to go by the popular perceptions which somehow permeate every level of consciousness for virtually every mind in the non-Muslim world - Pakistan has in fact already been hijacked by the fundamentalism - and has been in that state since the late seventies. Such issues as promoting jihadis in Kashmir - sending in bombers to the Indian parliament - hijacking of the Indian Airlines flight IC 814 in 1999 - not to mention the burning of US flags, the burning of US embassies, the unapologetic support for the Taleban, and countless other episodes like those may have contributed significantly to building up such a perception!

Thank you for seeing my statements in the positive light and appreciating their true intent! I sometimes wish that certain other interactors could see themwith the same clarity!