Listening to the Cries of Baby Stars
Salman Hameed April 16, 2006
#17 Posted by KaalChakra on April 17, 2006 8:37:28 am
Dr. Siddiqui Sahib
``I am just mentionaing how difficult it is to study ``God`` within limits of the modern science.``
What would convince a person that -
``Allah ( suban-o-talah ) DID NOT create this perfect system where everyones & everything(s) roles are defined.?``
Why should science be interested in studying God?
``I am just mentionaing how difficult it is to study ``God`` within limits of the modern science.``
What would convince a person that -
``Allah ( suban-o-talah ) DID NOT create this perfect system where everyones & everything(s) roles are defined.?``
Why should science be interested in studying God?
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#18 Posted by KaalChakra on April 17, 2006 8:41:07 am
Majumdar
What`s wrong with holding certain beliefs beneath contempt? :(
What`s wrong with holding certain beliefs beneath contempt? :(
#19 Posted by Zeena on April 17, 2006 8:47:10 am
#13 by majumdar on April 17, 2006 4:39am PT
Zeenaji,
{{None of the articles need be censored. But some of the filth and abuse that is hurled by interactors at each other is highly hideable. Incidentally if it is of any consolation to you, none of your posts qualify under the previous category.}}
majumdar jii
At this point I am in 200% agreement with you. Yes, some interactors hurl extreme abuse and gaali gaaloch , full of filth. They can not take the pressure of the debate and take no seconds to resort to a low lying level. Yes, now I understand what you meant.
majumdar
lets discuss this article at hand. What do you think about the concept of the universe, GOD and the galaxies while keeping in mind the EARTH.?
Do you think there is life other than the EARTH? I mean in other galaxies.........If, yes then when we will be able to meet`em?
Zeenaji,
{{None of the articles need be censored. But some of the filth and abuse that is hurled by interactors at each other is highly hideable. Incidentally if it is of any consolation to you, none of your posts qualify under the previous category.}}
majumdar jii
At this point I am in 200% agreement with you. Yes, some interactors hurl extreme abuse and gaali gaaloch , full of filth. They can not take the pressure of the debate and take no seconds to resort to a low lying level. Yes, now I understand what you meant.
majumdar
lets discuss this article at hand. What do you think about the concept of the universe, GOD and the galaxies while keeping in mind the EARTH.?
Do you think there is life other than the EARTH? I mean in other galaxies.........If, yes then when we will be able to meet`em?
#20 Posted by Akbar260 on April 17, 2006 8:48:16 am
The recent advent of the inflationary cosmology may, however, apparently contradict with the `Heat Death` concept suggesting that despite increasing entropy, the Universe is moving further away from equillibrium, the scientific evidences still suggest an impending Heat Death. Whether it be second law of thermodynamics about a closed universe, or be it cosmic inflation, they all point towards a beginning of time, which is NOT a closed loop.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
www.astronomer.zoomshare.com
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
www.astronomer.zoomshare.com
#21 Posted by IB on April 17, 2006 8:59:10 am
Allah ( God ) without any doubt made everything ( according to Quran & Islam - if one does not agree with the statement he / she is welcome to do so ) - there has to be a force which started the process of evolution ? which made matter?
“He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth.” (6:101)
The scientists now believe that the universe was created after a great
explosion & before that there was nothing such as `matter`. It gives me
a satisfaction that matter, time & energy were created & didn`t exist since
infinite.
“Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke,
and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both
of you, willingly or not.
They said: We come, obedient.” (The Quran, 41:11)
Quran say that Heaven was smoke before? modern science
has every reason to maintain that the universe was formed from
a gaseous mass ( hydrogen & part of helium ) .
“Have they not who disbelieve seen that the heavens and earth were joined together (as one piece), then We parted them.” (21:30)
As the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke’, we conclude that the earth and the heavens were once a connected entity. Then out of this homogenous ‘smoke’, they evolved into different forms and separated from each other.
Hence, the verse reveals that the heavens and earth at the beginning were joined together, and that subsequently they were separated. Recent advance-ments in astronomy especially the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe corroborate with this statement in the Quran. The Big Bang theory holds that about 20,000,000,000 (twenty billion) years ago the universe began with an explosive expansion of a single extremely condensed state of matter. This is what the Quran states in this verse: “the heavens and earth were joined together”. The Noble prize for Science in 1977 was awarded for this discovery.
These facts, only recently discovered by modern science, were disclosed in the Quran 1,400 years ago.
“Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.”
(The Quran, 1:1)
At a time when, perhaps, scientific knowledge was not even at the nascent stage, the Quran revealed about the presence of worlds other than the earth and testified to the fact that, “Allah is the Lord of the worlds”. As a matter of fact, the words, “the Lord of the worlds”, appear in the Quran a total of 73 times. With scientific advancement and use of sophisticated telescopes now we know that there are other planets and multitude of galaxies besides earth. And all this was disclosed to us by the God Almighty through his prophet Mohammad ( P.B.U.H ) 14 centuries ago.
on Expansion of Universe
(iii) The expansion of the universe
According to the Holy Quran:
“And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.” (51:47)
The word “heaven”, as stated in this verse, is used in various places with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning.
At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
From the moment of the Big Bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated. Observing the sky in 1929 with a telescope also proved this fact. Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. These observations tell us that when everything in the universe moves away from each other, it is considered to be a constantly expanding universe. This fact was revealed in the Quran when no one knew about the expansion of the universe 1,400 years ago. This is because the Quran is the word of Allah, the Creator and the Ruler of the entire universe.
“By the sky full of paths and orbits.”
(The Quran, 51:7)
The entire universe is full of paths and orbits. The Quran also tells us that:
“(Allah is the) One who created the night , and the day, and the sun and the moon, swim along, each in its (own) orbit.” (21:33)
“It is not permitted to the sun to overtake the moon, nor can the night outsrip the day, each swims along in its (own) orbit.” (36:40)
While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Quran, it is emphasized that each moves in a certain orbit. There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe, consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. All celestial bodies including planets, satellites of these planets, stars and even galaxies swim along their own orbits.
It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit.
“The sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed); that is the decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.” (Yaseen 36:38)
According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is travelling at an enormous speed of 150 miles per second. It means that the sun travels roughly 12,960,000 miles a day!
The fact that this information was present in the Quran long before it was discovered by the mankind is yet another testimony that Allah, the All-Knowing, and the All-Wise is the source of this knowledge.
source : http://www.cometoislam.com/IslamandScience.htm
“He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth.” (6:101)
The scientists now believe that the universe was created after a great
explosion & before that there was nothing such as `matter`. It gives me
a satisfaction that matter, time & energy were created & didn`t exist since
infinite.
“Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke,
and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both
of you, willingly or not.
They said: We come, obedient.” (The Quran, 41:11)
Quran say that Heaven was smoke before? modern science
has every reason to maintain that the universe was formed from
a gaseous mass ( hydrogen & part of helium ) .
“Have they not who disbelieve seen that the heavens and earth were joined together (as one piece), then We parted them.” (21:30)
As the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke’, we conclude that the earth and the heavens were once a connected entity. Then out of this homogenous ‘smoke’, they evolved into different forms and separated from each other.
Hence, the verse reveals that the heavens and earth at the beginning were joined together, and that subsequently they were separated. Recent advance-ments in astronomy especially the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe corroborate with this statement in the Quran. The Big Bang theory holds that about 20,000,000,000 (twenty billion) years ago the universe began with an explosive expansion of a single extremely condensed state of matter. This is what the Quran states in this verse: “the heavens and earth were joined together”. The Noble prize for Science in 1977 was awarded for this discovery.
These facts, only recently discovered by modern science, were disclosed in the Quran 1,400 years ago.
“Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.”
(The Quran, 1:1)
At a time when, perhaps, scientific knowledge was not even at the nascent stage, the Quran revealed about the presence of worlds other than the earth and testified to the fact that, “Allah is the Lord of the worlds”. As a matter of fact, the words, “the Lord of the worlds”, appear in the Quran a total of 73 times. With scientific advancement and use of sophisticated telescopes now we know that there are other planets and multitude of galaxies besides earth. And all this was disclosed to us by the God Almighty through his prophet Mohammad ( P.B.U.H ) 14 centuries ago.
on Expansion of Universe
(iii) The expansion of the universe
According to the Holy Quran:
“And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.” (51:47)
The word “heaven”, as stated in this verse, is used in various places with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning.
At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
From the moment of the Big Bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated. Observing the sky in 1929 with a telescope also proved this fact. Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. These observations tell us that when everything in the universe moves away from each other, it is considered to be a constantly expanding universe. This fact was revealed in the Quran when no one knew about the expansion of the universe 1,400 years ago. This is because the Quran is the word of Allah, the Creator and the Ruler of the entire universe.
“By the sky full of paths and orbits.”
(The Quran, 51:7)
The entire universe is full of paths and orbits. The Quran also tells us that:
“(Allah is the) One who created the night , and the day, and the sun and the moon, swim along, each in its (own) orbit.” (21:33)
“It is not permitted to the sun to overtake the moon, nor can the night outsrip the day, each swims along in its (own) orbit.” (36:40)
While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Quran, it is emphasized that each moves in a certain orbit. There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe, consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. All celestial bodies including planets, satellites of these planets, stars and even galaxies swim along their own orbits.
It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit.
“The sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed); that is the decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.” (Yaseen 36:38)
According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is travelling at an enormous speed of 150 miles per second. It means that the sun travels roughly 12,960,000 miles a day!
The fact that this information was present in the Quran long before it was discovered by the mankind is yet another testimony that Allah, the All-Knowing, and the All-Wise is the source of this knowledge.
source : http://www.cometoislam.com/IslamandScience.htm
#22 Posted by Akbar260 on April 17, 2006 9:00:37 am
Re: # 17
Trying to disprove God by studying, understanding and explaining the natural phenomena is like ``Since there is appendix in the abdomen, it means there is no God!``.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
www.astronomer.zoomshare.com
Trying to disprove God by studying, understanding and explaining the natural phenomena is like ``Since there is appendix in the abdomen, it means there is no God!``.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
www.astronomer.zoomshare.com
#23 Posted by kalihawa on April 17, 2006 9:09:41 am
Re: # 16
I know entropy is always increasing, it is quite obvious if unverse itself is expanding!
And when I say matter is uniformly distributed I don`t mean every cubic inch of universe has uniform density. What I mean is that on a reasonable large unit of space, matter is evenly distributed.
I know entropy is always increasing, it is quite obvious if unverse itself is expanding!
And when I say matter is uniformly distributed I don`t mean every cubic inch of universe has uniform density. What I mean is that on a reasonable large unit of space, matter is evenly distributed.
#24 Posted by KaalChakra on April 17, 2006 9:46:02 am
Dr. Sahib
From a scientific point of view, God concept is beneath contempt. It does not deserve nontrivial attention. A scientist has no reason to waste his/her time disproving something that does not merit scientific focus.
From a scientific point of view, God concept is beneath contempt. It does not deserve nontrivial attention. A scientist has no reason to waste his/her time disproving something that does not merit scientific focus.
#25 Posted by Akbar260 on April 17, 2006 10:06:59 am
Re: # 24
Thank you for supporting my viewpoint. I am criticizing the attitudes of those who jump into joy claiming there is no God when they find an explanation of any natural phenomenon. Proving or disproving the existence of God on the basis of whatever we know as science, is nothing but a waste of time. We have entered an age when we are only beginning to understand the extremely complex laws of nature. The more we go ahead, the more we understand how complex the universe is, and yet, in such a beautiful and perfect harmony.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
www.astronomer.zoomshare.com
Thank you for supporting my viewpoint. I am criticizing the attitudes of those who jump into joy claiming there is no God when they find an explanation of any natural phenomenon. Proving or disproving the existence of God on the basis of whatever we know as science, is nothing but a waste of time. We have entered an age when we are only beginning to understand the extremely complex laws of nature. The more we go ahead, the more we understand how complex the universe is, and yet, in such a beautiful and perfect harmony.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
www.astronomer.zoomshare.com
#27 Posted by KaalChakra on April 17, 2006 11:56:33 am
Dr. Sahib
Our views are polar opposites. Much greater criticism must be directed at those who jump for joy every time they cannot explain some natural phenomenon, labelling the combination of their own state of ignorance and somebody else`s even more ignorant fiat as evidence for God`s existence (worse, proof that this God of ignorance knows best; and worst of all, that this God has this or that name, and commands us to do this or that thing affecting other fellow human beings).
Our views are polar opposites. Much greater criticism must be directed at those who jump for joy every time they cannot explain some natural phenomenon, labelling the combination of their own state of ignorance and somebody else`s even more ignorant fiat as evidence for God`s existence (worse, proof that this God of ignorance knows best; and worst of all, that this God has this or that name, and commands us to do this or that thing affecting other fellow human beings).
#28 Posted by Netizen on April 17, 2006 12:30:33 pm
Re: # 25
akbar260:
``Thank you for supporting my viewpoint. I am criticizing the attitudes of those who jump into joy claiming there is no God when they find an explanation of any natural phenomenon. ``
well, your criticism is welcomed. at this time we can just say that we can`t prove or disprove the existence of god.
but can you do the same to those who are drawing relationaship b/t ``smoke`` and ``clouds of hydrogen`` in their effort to peddle islam?
akbar260:
``Thank you for supporting my viewpoint. I am criticizing the attitudes of those who jump into joy claiming there is no God when they find an explanation of any natural phenomenon. ``
well, your criticism is welcomed. at this time we can just say that we can`t prove or disprove the existence of god.
but can you do the same to those who are drawing relationaship b/t ``smoke`` and ``clouds of hydrogen`` in their effort to peddle islam?
#29 Posted by Zeena on April 17, 2006 2:13:15 pm
GOD is science and astronomy is the biggest human contribution to search GOD. GOD says in Quran to search for the GOD.
Science and GOD are inseparable.
Science and GOD are inseparable.
#30 Posted by hameed on April 17, 2006 8:30:58 pm
Re: # 29 and other earllier posts on religion
The purpose of the article was to simply talk about a natural process. There is beauty and wonder everywhere in nature from a droplet of water to the tornadoes that wreak havoc on land. A faithful person may or may not see the signs of God in it. However, an understanding of the workings of nature (certainly in a scientific sense) has nothing to do with faith. Whether one likes it or not, we have left the middle ages where debates on theology were a common place and people were very sophiticated discussions on the topic. Lets talk about nature as nature and leave the theology to the theologians (or atleast to articles on theology).
Regarding the fate of the universe, it seems that the universe is not only expanding but the rate of expansion is accelerating. If that is the case, then the universe will certainly be cooling down as it has been doing since the Big Bang. The current tempreature of the universe is roughly 2.7 degrees above absolute zero. The expansion will continue its trend in asymptotic manner, inching ever closer to absolute zero, but never reaching its destination. Galaxies will have new stars for a while via recycled material from stars and for unused gases. However, all recycling has limits and eventually there won`t be enough material left to form new stars. Thus our universe will be left with a bunch of galaxies made up of various types of stellar corpses along with a host of planets (most likely with no life on them). Of course, this eventuality is many many hundeds of billions of years away.
-Salman
The purpose of the article was to simply talk about a natural process. There is beauty and wonder everywhere in nature from a droplet of water to the tornadoes that wreak havoc on land. A faithful person may or may not see the signs of God in it. However, an understanding of the workings of nature (certainly in a scientific sense) has nothing to do with faith. Whether one likes it or not, we have left the middle ages where debates on theology were a common place and people were very sophiticated discussions on the topic. Lets talk about nature as nature and leave the theology to the theologians (or atleast to articles on theology).
Regarding the fate of the universe, it seems that the universe is not only expanding but the rate of expansion is accelerating. If that is the case, then the universe will certainly be cooling down as it has been doing since the Big Bang. The current tempreature of the universe is roughly 2.7 degrees above absolute zero. The expansion will continue its trend in asymptotic manner, inching ever closer to absolute zero, but never reaching its destination. Galaxies will have new stars for a while via recycled material from stars and for unused gases. However, all recycling has limits and eventually there won`t be enough material left to form new stars. Thus our universe will be left with a bunch of galaxies made up of various types of stellar corpses along with a host of planets (most likely with no life on them). Of course, this eventuality is many many hundeds of billions of years away.
-Salman
#31 Posted by majumdar on April 17, 2006 8:58:40 pm
Re: 19
Zeenaji,
(majumdar
lets discuss this article at hand. What do you think about the concept of the universe, GOD and the galaxies while keeping in mind the EARTH.?
Do you think there is life other than the EARTH? I mean in other galaxies.........If, yes then when we will be able to meet`em? )
Good questions. Personally I believe in the existence of God but that’s my belief, I have no proof to back it up nor would I want anyone who doesn’t believe to believe in one.
As far as there being life elsewhere, I can only hazard guesses. When you speak of life I suppose you are meaning an intelligent lifeform based on Chemistry of Carbon- there might be lifes based on completely different principles but I wouldn’t know much about them. As far as higher intelligent life is concenred obviously there are certain requirements.
There should be a star.
The star should be surrounded by planets implying there would have to be a supernova (possibly) at some point in the past whose debris were captured.
The sun should have a certain minimum size and surface temperature.
The star should have a certain lifespan –if it is too short, it will not permit evolution to reach that far.
The planet should be at an optimal distance from the star.
The planet should have a predominantly Nitrogen-Oxygen atmosphere.
What I understand is that the probabilities of such things happening simultaneously is very remote maybe one in a trillion- Akbar sahib may give exact numbers. But given that there may be trillions of galaxies each having billions of stars I would say “THERE MUST BE LIFE ELSEWHERE”. But would we able to speak to them- highly unlikely. If life is so rare the nearest inhabited planet may be billions of light years away. By the time we are able to contact them presumably by means of electromagnetic waves which travel no faster than light- we would probably be finished by then. But of course if we were to find some thing which travels at faster than light who knows.
Regards
Zeenaji,
(majumdar
lets discuss this article at hand. What do you think about the concept of the universe, GOD and the galaxies while keeping in mind the EARTH.?
Do you think there is life other than the EARTH? I mean in other galaxies.........If, yes then when we will be able to meet`em? )
Good questions. Personally I believe in the existence of God but that’s my belief, I have no proof to back it up nor would I want anyone who doesn’t believe to believe in one.
As far as there being life elsewhere, I can only hazard guesses. When you speak of life I suppose you are meaning an intelligent lifeform based on Chemistry of Carbon- there might be lifes based on completely different principles but I wouldn’t know much about them. As far as higher intelligent life is concenred obviously there are certain requirements.
There should be a star.
The star should be surrounded by planets implying there would have to be a supernova (possibly) at some point in the past whose debris were captured.
The sun should have a certain minimum size and surface temperature.
The star should have a certain lifespan –if it is too short, it will not permit evolution to reach that far.
The planet should be at an optimal distance from the star.
The planet should have a predominantly Nitrogen-Oxygen atmosphere.
What I understand is that the probabilities of such things happening simultaneously is very remote maybe one in a trillion- Akbar sahib may give exact numbers. But given that there may be trillions of galaxies each having billions of stars I would say “THERE MUST BE LIFE ELSEWHERE”. But would we able to speak to them- highly unlikely. If life is so rare the nearest inhabited planet may be billions of light years away. By the time we are able to contact them presumably by means of electromagnetic waves which travel no faster than light- we would probably be finished by then. But of course if we were to find some thing which travels at faster than light who knows.
Regards
#32 Posted by Akbar260 on April 18, 2006 2:16:26 am
Let me cut short my viewpoint.
Proving the existence of God on the basis of scientific evidences can be tricky, as laws and theories keep on changing. We can only be sure to deliver an exact comment on this issue when we know we have `completed science` at our disposal. We, of course, know this is not possible. We are exploring a universe with ever-growing complexity. We are only coming to know how less we know. The same goes to those who waste their efforts arguing that there is no God. We are, in fact, in no position to even comment on it.
I started this argument when a few readers added a point that there is no God, after reading the main article. That was a nonsense attitude.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
astronomer.zoomshare.com
Proving the existence of God on the basis of scientific evidences can be tricky, as laws and theories keep on changing. We can only be sure to deliver an exact comment on this issue when we know we have `completed science` at our disposal. We, of course, know this is not possible. We are exploring a universe with ever-growing complexity. We are only coming to know how less we know. The same goes to those who waste their efforts arguing that there is no God. We are, in fact, in no position to even comment on it.
I started this argument when a few readers added a point that there is no God, after reading the main article. That was a nonsense attitude.
Dr. Muhammad Akbar Hussain Siddiqui
astronomer.zoomshare.com
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