UPDATE Delhi Explosion in Mosque
Meerut on Fire, Karachi Burns

there needs to be a correction for the title.

meerut is not on fire. just a trade fair was engulfed in the blaze, which probably could have been avoided.

even though its a tragic loss of live, such things are not uncommon in a country where regulations and procedures take a back seat to influence and power and are given a scant regard.

just last week one bus fell off a cliff, some 60 people died.

every other week you read about death on highways due to head on collisions. what happens after the dead bodies are cleared? nothing.

there are no hearings, no procedures to prevent such tragedies from happening again.

our great ``netas`` will annouce ex-gratias sums for the families of dead and critically injured and would then leave for their political juggalbandis.

and will come back the next time when some other 60 people die in a stampede.

#28 by chaltahai on April 13, 2006 12:38pm PT


Humanity is not bound by geography


Paki concern for humanity is bound for religion..and if muslims die, the religion of the perps matters too..

#30 Choorhas are honest, hardworking people who are poor in a poor country and so have to work under unpleasant conditions. arjun, on the other hand, is a certified low-life. So dont demean choorhas by comparing them to this scumbag.

Re: # 35
so can we demean choorhas by comparing them to you :)

#36 That was very clever, wiseguy. Hope it didnt strain your brain muscle too much. :-)

Re: # 37
Nah, THAT is a genetic disorder prevalent on the other side of the border.... no problems here
:)

sorry, but i just can`t get excited about 57 religious nuts getting killed in karachi ........... in any case, life in south asia is cheap :

`` five people, one a policeman, have been killed in violence in the southern Indian city of Bangalore following the death of legendary film actor Rajkumar ``

..... as long as people don`t have much to live for, death is not a bad option

if deaths of dog-fleas and martian-tourists are same-same so are those from result of jihad-sustainance state-policy and bad governance ;-)

Neat clarification of matters at hand, what is going on in Karachi:




DECAPITATION ATTACK ON ANTI-SALAFI GROUP IN KARACHI

by B. Raman

In an article on Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) written on August 1, 2001, which is available at http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper287.html, I had written as follows: ``As a result of the policy of divide and rule followed in Sindh by the ISI under Musharraf, one is seeing in Pakistan for the first time sectarian violence inside the Sunni community between the Sunnis of the Deobandi faith belonging to the Sipah Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the Sunnis of the more tolerant Barelvi faith belonging to the Sunni Tehrik formed in the early 1990s to counter the growing Wahabi influence on Islam in Pakistan and the Almi Tanzeem Ahle Sunnat formed in 1998 by Pir Afzal Qadri of Mararian Sharif in Gujrat, Punjab, to counter the activities of the Deobandi Army of Islam headed by Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz, Corps Commander, Lahore. The Tanzeem has been criticising not only the Army of Islam for injecting what it considers the Wahabi poison into the Pakistan society, but also the army of the State headed by Musharraf for misleading the Sunni youth into joining the jehad against the Indian army in J & K and getting killed there in order to avoid the Pakistani army officers getting killed in the jehad for achieving its strategic objective. The ISI, which is afraid of a direct confrontation with the Barelvi organisations, has been inciting the Sipah Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi to counter their activities. This has led to frequent armed clashes between rival Sunni groups in Sindh, the most sensational of the incidents being the gunning down of Maulana Salim Qadri of the Sunni Tehrik and five of his followers in Karachi on May, 18, 2001, by the Sipah Sahaba, which led to a major break-down of law and order in certain areas of Karachi for some days. Musharraf, the commando, believes in achieving his objective by hook or by crook without worrying about the means used. In his anxiety to bring Sindh under control and to weaken the PPP (Benazir Bhutto`s Pakistan People`s Party), the MQM and the Sindhi nationalists, he has, through the ISI, created new Frankensteins which might one day lead to the Talibanisation of Sindh, a province always known for its sufi traditions of religious tolerance and for its empathy with India.``

2. A decapitation explosion at a religious congregation in Karachi on April 11, 2006, killed the entire senior leadership of the Sunni Tehrik, an anti-Deobandi, anti-Wahabi and anti-Salafi Sunni organisation of Pakistan, which has maintained its distance from Osama bin Laden`s Al Qaeda and International Islamic Front (IIF). The religious congregation was organised by the Jamaat-e-Ahle Sunnat (JAS) to mark the Holy Prophet`s birthday. Fifty other innocent civilians, many of them lower-level leaders of the Tehrik, were killed in the explosion.

3. The Pakistani authorities have blamed two suicide bombers for the devastating explosion, which killed Abbas Qadri, the Amir of the Sunni Tehrik, and four other senior leaders. No organisation has so far claimed responsibility for the explosion.

4. In the past, this organisation had been projected by the Deobandis, the Wahabis and the Salafis of Pakistan as a Sunni surrogate of the Iranian intelligence to counter the growing influence of the Wahabi-Salafi ideology among the Sunnis of Pakistan.

5. The Sunni Tehrik draws its following mainly from the Barelvis, a Sunni school of thought, which is generally perceived as more tolerant than the Deobandis. In fact, the Barelvis, many, if not most, of whom are descendents of converts from Hinduism, are in a numerical majority in Pakistan and in a preponderant majority in the Sindh province. The Deobandis, most of whose following is restricted to the Pakistani Punjab, the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), are descendents of Muslims, who came into the sub-continent from Central Asia, Afghanistan and West Asia. They look upon the Barelvis as inferior to them and as soft due to the distorting influence of Hinduism on their thinking and behaviour.

6. While the Deobandi extremists have been backing

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openly or covertly

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Al Qaeda and its ideology, the Barelvis have been uncomfortable over it. Many of them have been critical of the use of the Pakistani territory by Al Qaeda and the IIF for their terrorist operations in other countries. They have also been worried over the implications of the message disseminated by bin Laden in January, 2006, in which he claimed that plans for another terrorist strike in the US homeland were already underway. Their worry is that just as the use of the Afghan territory by bin Laden for his 9/11 terrorist strikes in the US brought about the US-led military action in Afghanistan, the use of the Pakistani territory by Al Qaeda for a terrorist strike in the US could bring about a US military strike against Pakistan.

7. There are two main group of Sunni sectarian organisations in Pakistan

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the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, both strongly Deobandi-Wahabi-Salafi and both members of the IIF, and the Sunni Tehrik, strongly Barelvi and anti-Deobandi-Wahabi-Salafi. Since many years, the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the LEJ have embarked on a campaign for the Arabisation and Wahabisation of the Barelvi Muslims and for removing the distorting influence of Hinduism. The Sunni Tehrik has been resisting the onslaught of the Deobandis, Wahabis and Salafis.

8. For the last fifteen years, there has been a conflict between the Deobandis and the Barelvis for the control of the mosques and their funds not only in Pakistan, but also in the UK. Previously, the Barelvis used to control the mosques in the UK frequented by immigrants from the sub-continent, but they have since been driven out by the Deobandis and Wahabis. This was the starting point for the radicalisation of the Pakistani-origin Muslims in the UK and in the other countries of West Europe. The ISI has been supporting the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the LEJ in Pakistan as well as in West Europe.

9. Since its formation, the Sunni Tehrik has been involved in a sub-sectarian conflict with the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the LEJ and in a political conflict with the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) of Altaf Hussain. While the Sunni Tehrik and the MQM have been countering the activities of the Deobandis, Wahabis and Salafis and their attempts to Arabise and Wahabise the Indian Muslim migrants (Mohajirs) to Pakistan, they have at the same time been quarelling with each other over the collection of funds from the Mohajirs for their respective political activities.

10. Politically, while the Urdu-speaking Indian Muslim migrants to Pakistan from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh support the MQM, the Gujarati speaking migrants (Bohras and Memons) support the Sunni Tehrik with funds. The migrants from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh came from a poor or middle class background

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landless labourers, petty traders, money-lenders, bureaucrats

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but the migrants from Gujarat came from a rich background (businessmen). It is said that Karachi`s economy is largely controlled by the Memons and other Gujarati-speaking Muslims. They give more funds to the Sunni Tehrik than to the MQM.

57+5+5=67

`Five killed` in Kashmir violence
At least five civilians die in attacks and shooting in Srinagar in Indian-controlled Kashmir, police say.

hamidm:

Reading this made me laugh..


...
Reported in Khabrain (February 19, 2006) Prof Umair, a teacher at the famous Zamindara College Gujrat, while addressing his class, said that Denmark had done the right thing according to the European tradition of freedom of expression by publishing the blaspheming cartoons. The students immediately rushed towards him. The professor ran, followed by the students, and took shelter under the table of the principal who lost no time in getting him to sign a resignation and kicking him out of Gujrat.

The poor guy could be trying to explain that “cartoon” marches were counter-productive. He was living dangerously!..


Hope you do take safety measures when you are in such places.. I imagined you running around with a scotch bottle in your hand chased by bearded students, wanted to warn you. We would lose the occasional laughs in chowk boards.. :-))

masanmuthu #43 This is almost as bad as hindus on the rampage in india!! Thanks for posting, . :-)

masanamathu #43, {`` The professor ran, followed by the students, and took shelter under the table of the principal who lost no time in getting him to sign a resignation and kicking him out of Gujrat. ``}

Masanamathu,
Good friend. How times have changed? It was only four years ago that one of the worst massacres in recent times was committed in Gujarat. Today that same place is the most protective one for Islamic issues. Subhanallah - He works in mysterious ways. :)

of course, Pakistanis dont gloat over such things, like hindus do on chowk:

From the learned pages of Chowk Unplugged, thread started by distinguished hindu man to delhi explosion on mosque, and I quote:

Well done my Hindu Brothers. It was a timely revenge of Varnasi attacks also our peaceful nature has always been a hurdle and we were unable to killed that many Moslem Pigs.

Any Indian on chowk - quick to go to Pakistani newspapers to gloat over problems in Pakistan - has anything to say about this. If the past is any guide, all we will see is learned chowk Indians either diligently ignoring this, or else rushing to this man`s defense.

and nor is #46 just an isolated thing about the kind of lowlife we left behind in 1947 (thank God ):

Another hindu man starts a thread on unplugged in reference also to the Delhi bombing, and I quote:

Finally....
Somebody plants a bomb in a mosque in India Still a long way to go before we get even.

#45 Mr. Salim - I see you were even faster than te Indians on chowk to rush to berate Pakistanis while whitewashing the crap in India. Great Job.