UPDATE Delhi Explosion in Mosque
Meerut on Fire, Karachi Burns

It is shameful and pathetic that chowk staff has chosen to insult the memory of innocent Karachi victims by comparing these two incidents. A barbaric, murderous attack by Indian RAW cannot and should not be equated with with an accidental fire, however tragic that might be.

We do not need your

... salim chauhan , farzana versey and other hindoo rightwingers have only ONE agenda... HATE PAKISTAN and they are doing a good job...

Re: # 15
Salim Jee,
The last case of Sati that became famous was of Roop Kunwar. And thatwas in 1987. To
this day we have police guards at that place where she was murdered so that people
don`t do puja there.

We know our problems - and do everything within our power to correct them. Success has
been average but it is there, nonetheless.

regards

Chowk Staff,
The loss of life in both tragedies is shameful, sad, and preventable. There are however, several distinctions:

Meerut: Typically Indian habit of not paying attention to public safety. Too much red-tape, bureaucracy, and insensitivity to victims` welfare and concerns. Neta Surikhsha at the expense of Victim Sewa is wrong. Lack of discipline, lack of adherence to codes, and ``sab chalta hey`` attitude can be lethal.

Karachi: Typically Pakistani habit of blind religious devotion to the point of suicide and murder. Typically Muslim behavior of killing as many people as possible even when dying. Typically Pakistani habit of piling up one investigation after another and never getting to the problem itself. Typically Muslim behavior in lack of conern for human lives, safety, and property. Intolerance, illogical religios zeal, and total lack of discipline were lethal.

Re: # 17
Watch what you say.

I can assure you that number of Indians(including Hindus) who dont hate Pakistan exceeds those who hate Pakistan.

Dont spur your hatred here.

Re: # 17
Thanx Khammi,
We try ... our best, though we are not as good still;
one day we will be as good as your mujahideen but I think till then, you will need to be
content with these individual acts of courage.

#16
Who is crying boss ?
Not a single Hinud has shown tears - crocodile or otherwise. They have been plain upfront
about what they think. If you find an HS here - crying for karachi - (s)he deserves a
spanking.

#10 by delhiwala on April 13, 2006 7:41am PT
Very sad indeed!!

My beloved Meerut,

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err..I thought you were from Kharar.:-)

#20 Dillidost,
Thank you for being so civilized in the face of this nonsense from #17.

#18, #21 wiseguyin,
You know, my friend, it is very important to recognize our mistakes and take corrective actions to prevent future mistakes. Meerut was due to human stupidity. Karachi was due to human intolerance, human violence, and human hatred. Very different problems. But, as Khamkhwa fails to note the problems, he is bound to suffer from repititions.

#17, Khamkhwa {``salim chauhan , farzana versey and other hindoo rightwingers have only ONE agenda... HATE PAKISTAN and they are doing a good job...``}

Khamkhwa,
There is nothing wrong with Pakistan - just something terribly wrong with hateful people like you who tend to be the majority in that unfortuante land.

Also, there is nothing wrong with Islam - just something terribly wrong with hateful, violent, suicidal, selfish people like you who tend to be very vocal in that much maligned religion - again thanks to ``Muslims`` like you.

Any one who takes hit at civilians (the only exception being when civilians get caught in cross-fire during anti-terrorist activities) deserves condemnation – no ifs, ands, or buts!
The “politician” connection is highly stretched! Those who use the language of blasts are not politicians – they are killers!

My knowledge of Karachi – like my knowledge of most things – is limited. From what I have read about it on this site, it appears to be a great place to visit and to live in. I am sorry this event has happened and I feel bad for the victims – most of whom of course would be just regular folks.

The Merrut fire is in some ways reminiscent of the 1911 fire at the Triangle Waist Company in New York City, which was a sweat-shop in the heart of Manhattan. It was one of the worst disasters of those times – it took the lives of 146 individuals, mostly young women and girls who worked in that garment factory – and which resulted from the callous attitude toward safety on the part of those who had authority. Perhaps, like that disaster – this one in Merrut can also lead to some positive outcomes if individuals become more conscious of their own roles and responsibilities in taking safety codes seriously – the codes are there for very good reasons!

``#17 by khamkhwa. on April 13, 2006 9:07am PT
... salim chauhan , farzana versey and other hindoo rightwingers have only ONE agenda... HATE PAKISTAN and they are doing a good job...
[Reply to interact #17] ``

This must be a bit of a refreshing surprise for Farzana after being accused for years of being called a Hindu hating Islamist. :)

#17 by khamkhwa. on April 13, 2006 9:07am PT

wahabi nuts armed/trained/funded by the paki military and loved by the paki people when they were killing indians, kill pakis and the indians are supposed to feel sorry why exactly?

Re: # 27

Because innocent people died. Humanity is not bound by geography Arjun.

#26, Stuka {re: ``#17 by khamkhwa ``This must be a bit of a refreshing surprise for Farzana after being accused for years of being called a Hindu hating Islamist. :)``}

Stuka,
Don`t expect Khamkhwa to perform any credible research. He`s just anybody`s personal chaprasi and collects one-sided, out of context, posts to buttress his point du jour. After all, how do you think he got his Canadian visa in Faisalabad?

Re: # 27
arjun...
... i addressed rightwing hindoos not a converted choohRa like you...shooo...

#30, Khamkhwa,
That is disgusting. Do you know how to interact politely without hurling personal insults? I am ashamed to be associated with Pakistan because of illiterate and unsavory idiots like you.

They need to stop naming parks and hospitals after Sardar Aburrab Nishtar.

Women, children among 17 injured in acid attack

By A Correspondent

MULTAN, April 12: At least 17 people including four women and three children were injured when their rivals threw acid on them in a village in Shujabad on Wednesday.

The injured were brought to the Nishter Hospital where condition of three of them was said to be critical.

According to police, one Rafiq of Mattotali village wanted to marry a girl in his neighbourhood but her parents refused the proposal. On Tuesday night, Rafiq allegedly kidnapped the girl with the help of his accomplice.

The girl’s family members and relatives started chasing the kidnappers and after tracing them gathered outside the house of the accused. As they tried to force entry into the house, the accused allegedly sprayed acid on them.

The injured were identified as Muhammad Shafi, Nazar Muhammad, Jaffar, Sabir, Asif, Khalid, Riaz, Maqsood Mai, Bakhat Mai, Sakina Mai, Bashir, Muhammad Ramzan, Allah Ditta, Muhammad Shafi (s/o Allah Ditta), Bashir (s/o Wahid Bakhsh), Muhammad Shabbir and Kauser Mai.

Condition of Muhammad Shafi, Ramzan and Nazeer was stated to be critical.

ASP Shujabad Abdul Salam said the police had rounded up six of the alleged attackers, while raids were being conducted to arrest the main accused. The police has yet to register the case.

Courtesy Dawn - April 14, 2006

there needs to be a correction for the title.

meerut is not on fire. just a trade fair was engulfed in the blaze, which probably could have been avoided.

even though its a tragic loss of live, such things are not uncommon in a country where regulations and procedures take a back seat to influence and power and are given a scant regard.

just last week one bus fell off a cliff, some 60 people died.

every other week you read about death on highways due to head on collisions. what happens after the dead bodies are cleared? nothing.

there are no hearings, no procedures to prevent such tragedies from happening again.

our great ``netas`` will annouce ex-gratias sums for the families of dead and critically injured and would then leave for their political juggalbandis.

and will come back the next time when some other 60 people die in a stampede.

#28 by chaltahai on April 13, 2006 12:38pm PT


Humanity is not bound by geography


Paki concern for humanity is bound for religion..and if muslims die, the religion of the perps matters too..

#30 Choorhas are honest, hardworking people who are poor in a poor country and so have to work under unpleasant conditions. arjun, on the other hand, is a certified low-life. So dont demean choorhas by comparing them to this scumbag.

Re: # 35
so can we demean choorhas by comparing them to you :)

#36 That was very clever, wiseguy. Hope it didnt strain your brain muscle too much. :-)

Re: # 37
Nah, THAT is a genetic disorder prevalent on the other side of the border.... no problems here
:)

sorry, but i just can`t get excited about 57 religious nuts getting killed in karachi ........... in any case, life in south asia is cheap :

`` five people, one a policeman, have been killed in violence in the southern Indian city of Bangalore following the death of legendary film actor Rajkumar ``

..... as long as people don`t have much to live for, death is not a bad option

if deaths of dog-fleas and martian-tourists are same-same so are those from result of jihad-sustainance state-policy and bad governance ;-)

Neat clarification of matters at hand, what is going on in Karachi:




DECAPITATION ATTACK ON ANTI-SALAFI GROUP IN KARACHI

by B. Raman

In an article on Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) written on August 1, 2001, which is available at http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper287.html, I had written as follows: ``As a result of the policy of divide and rule followed in Sindh by the ISI under Musharraf, one is seeing in Pakistan for the first time sectarian violence inside the Sunni community between the Sunnis of the Deobandi faith belonging to the Sipah Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the Sunnis of the more tolerant Barelvi faith belonging to the Sunni Tehrik formed in the early 1990s to counter the growing Wahabi influence on Islam in Pakistan and the Almi Tanzeem Ahle Sunnat formed in 1998 by Pir Afzal Qadri of Mararian Sharif in Gujrat, Punjab, to counter the activities of the Deobandi Army of Islam headed by Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz, Corps Commander, Lahore. The Tanzeem has been criticising not only the Army of Islam for injecting what it considers the Wahabi poison into the Pakistan society, but also the army of the State headed by Musharraf for misleading the Sunni youth into joining the jehad against the Indian army in J & K and getting killed there in order to avoid the Pakistani army officers getting killed in the jehad for achieving its strategic objective. The ISI, which is afraid of a direct confrontation with the Barelvi organisations, has been inciting the Sipah Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi to counter their activities. This has led to frequent armed clashes between rival Sunni groups in Sindh, the most sensational of the incidents being the gunning down of Maulana Salim Qadri of the Sunni Tehrik and five of his followers in Karachi on May, 18, 2001, by the Sipah Sahaba, which led to a major break-down of law and order in certain areas of Karachi for some days. Musharraf, the commando, believes in achieving his objective by hook or by crook without worrying about the means used. In his anxiety to bring Sindh under control and to weaken the PPP (Benazir Bhutto`s Pakistan People`s Party), the MQM and the Sindhi nationalists, he has, through the ISI, created new Frankensteins which might one day lead to the Talibanisation of Sindh, a province always known for its sufi traditions of religious tolerance and for its empathy with India.``

2. A decapitation explosion at a religious congregation in Karachi on April 11, 2006, killed the entire senior leadership of the Sunni Tehrik, an anti-Deobandi, anti-Wahabi and anti-Salafi Sunni organisation of Pakistan, which has maintained its distance from Osama bin Laden`s Al Qaeda and International Islamic Front (IIF). The religious congregation was organised by the Jamaat-e-Ahle Sunnat (JAS) to mark the Holy Prophet`s birthday. Fifty other innocent civilians, many of them lower-level leaders of the Tehrik, were killed in the explosion.

3. The Pakistani authorities have blamed two suicide bombers for the devastating explosion, which killed Abbas Qadri, the Amir of the Sunni Tehrik, and four other senior leaders. No organisation has so far claimed responsibility for the explosion.

4. In the past, this organisation had been projected by the Deobandis, the Wahabis and the Salafis of Pakistan as a Sunni surrogate of the Iranian intelligence to counter the growing influence of the Wahabi-Salafi ideology among the Sunnis of Pakistan.

5. The Sunni Tehrik draws its following mainly from the Barelvis, a Sunni school of thought, which is generally perceived as more tolerant than the Deobandis. In fact, the Barelvis, many, if not most, of whom are descendents of converts from Hinduism, are in a numerical majority in Pakistan and in a preponderant majority in the Sindh province. The Deobandis, most of whose following is restricted to the Pakistani Punjab, the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), are descendents of Muslims, who came into the sub-continent from Central Asia, Afghanistan and West Asia. They look upon the Barelvis as inferior to them and as soft due to the distorting influence of Hinduism on their thinking and behaviour.

6. While the Deobandi extremists have been backing

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openly or covertly

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Al Qaeda and its ideology, the Barelvis have been uncomfortable over it. Many of them have been critical of the use of the Pakistani territory by Al Qaeda and the IIF for their terrorist operations in other countries. They have also been worried over the implications of the message disseminated by bin Laden in January, 2006, in which he claimed that plans for another terrorist strike in the US homeland were already underway. Their worry is that just as the use of the Afghan territory by bin Laden for his 9/11 terrorist strikes in the US brought about the US-led military action in Afghanistan, the use of the Pakistani territory by Al Qaeda for a terrorist strike in the US could bring about a US military strike against Pakistan.

7. There are two main group of Sunni sectarian organisations in Pakistan

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the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, both strongly Deobandi-Wahabi-Salafi and both members of the IIF, and the Sunni Tehrik, strongly Barelvi and anti-Deobandi-Wahabi-Salafi. Since many years, the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the LEJ have embarked on a campaign for the Arabisation and Wahabisation of the Barelvi Muslims and for removing the distorting influence of Hinduism. The Sunni Tehrik has been resisting the onslaught of the Deobandis, Wahabis and Salafis.

8. For the last fifteen years, there has been a conflict between the Deobandis and the Barelvis for the control of the mosques and their funds not only in Pakistan, but also in the UK. Previously, the Barelvis used to control the mosques in the UK frequented by immigrants from the sub-continent, but they have since been driven out by the Deobandis and Wahabis. This was the starting point for the radicalisation of the Pakistani-origin Muslims in the UK and in the other countries of West Europe. The ISI has been supporting the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the LEJ in Pakistan as well as in West Europe.

9. Since its formation, the Sunni Tehrik has been involved in a sub-sectarian conflict with the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the LEJ and in a political conflict with the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) of Altaf Hussain. While the Sunni Tehrik and the MQM have been countering the activities of the Deobandis, Wahabis and Salafis and their attempts to Arabise and Wahabise the Indian Muslim migrants (Mohajirs) to Pakistan, they have at the same time been quarelling with each other over the collection of funds from the Mohajirs for their respective political activities.

10. Politically, while the Urdu-speaking Indian Muslim migrants to Pakistan from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh support the MQM, the Gujarati speaking migrants (Bohras and Memons) support the Sunni Tehrik with funds. The migrants from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh came from a poor or middle class background

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landless labourers, petty traders, money-lenders, bureaucrats

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but the migrants from Gujarat came from a rich background (businessmen). It is said that Karachi`s economy is largely controlled by the Memons and other Gujarati-speaking Muslims. They give more funds to the Sunni Tehrik than to the MQM.

57+5+5=67

`Five killed` in Kashmir violence
At least five civilians die in attacks and shooting in Srinagar in Indian-controlled Kashmir, police say.

hamidm:

Reading this made me laugh..


...
Reported in Khabrain (February 19, 2006) Prof Umair, a teacher at the famous Zamindara College Gujrat, while addressing his class, said that Denmark had done the right thing according to the European tradition of freedom of expression by publishing the blaspheming cartoons. The students immediately rushed towards him. The professor ran, followed by the students, and took shelter under the table of the principal who lost no time in getting him to sign a resignation and kicking him out of Gujrat.

The poor guy could be trying to explain that “cartoon” marches were counter-productive. He was living dangerously!..


Hope you do take safety measures when you are in such places.. I imagined you running around with a scotch bottle in your hand chased by bearded students, wanted to warn you. We would lose the occasional laughs in chowk boards.. :-))

masanmuthu #43 This is almost as bad as hindus on the rampage in india!! Thanks for posting, . :-)

masanamathu #43, {`` The professor ran, followed by the students, and took shelter under the table of the principal who lost no time in getting him to sign a resignation and kicking him out of Gujrat. ``}

Masanamathu,
Good friend. How times have changed? It was only four years ago that one of the worst massacres in recent times was committed in Gujarat. Today that same place is the most protective one for Islamic issues. Subhanallah - He works in mysterious ways. :)

of course, Pakistanis dont gloat over such things, like hindus do on chowk:

From the learned pages of Chowk Unplugged, thread started by distinguished hindu man to delhi explosion on mosque, and I quote:

Well done my Hindu Brothers. It was a timely revenge of Varnasi attacks also our peaceful nature has always been a hurdle and we were unable to killed that many Moslem Pigs.

Any Indian on chowk - quick to go to Pakistani newspapers to gloat over problems in Pakistan - has anything to say about this. If the past is any guide, all we will see is learned chowk Indians either diligently ignoring this, or else rushing to this man`s defense.

and nor is #46 just an isolated thing about the kind of lowlife we left behind in 1947 (thank God ):

Another hindu man starts a thread on unplugged in reference also to the Delhi bombing, and I quote:

Finally....
Somebody plants a bomb in a mosque in India Still a long way to go before we get even.

#45 Mr. Salim - I see you were even faster than te Indians on chowk to rush to berate Pakistanis while whitewashing the crap in India. Great Job.

Re: # 46
Of course, what else were you thinking.....
3rd option is to attack his views. And why should that happen ?
If a h0m0 sapien retaliates it is just that - ``retaliation``. Though my gut feeling is that there
just might be some freakin` bleeding heart who may prove you wrong.

Tahmed:

I`d kindly ask you not to convert my concern for hamidm, a fellow freethinker to a India/Pakistan Hindu/Muslim bashing..

Salim:
did you intend `pun`??. This is the `Gujarat` in Pakistan. :-)

#47 by tahmed32

I hope the Delhi culprits are found, tried and prosecuted – irrespective of their religion!

I hope tahmed and his mind-mates feel the same way about the culprits in Kashmir – and can say the same without hesitation!

Now stop blaming “Hindus” and stop gloating over what you left behind in 1947 – you are not THAT MUCH of a numb-skull!

You should worry more about what you KEPT in 1947 – that which still haunts Pakistan – and also (with less frequency) India. (Hint: it hides in minds and hearts.)

Re: # 47
> about the kind of lowlife we left behind in 1947 (thank God ) ...

Tahmat, u have NO IDEA what we feel bout that glorious year in the annals of my
civilisation. My hero MAJ(pbuh) did what Gandhu and company could not.
Chalo, at least on this one event we agree - we are both thankful for 1947 ....

w|z0

#51 (correction)

[...found, tried and prosecuted ...]

should be ``found, tried and punished``.

#48, Tahmed {``#45 Mr. Salim - I see you were even faster than te Indians on chowk to rush to berate Pakistanis while whitewashing the crap in India. Great Job. ``}

Tahmed Sahib,
Please reread my post in #45 - where do you see any Paki-bashing? It is supposed to be a sarcastic reference to Modi`s Gujarat. What am I going to do about the standard of English comprehension among Pakistanis? One of these days, I hope we attain mediocrity - then, Indians, Watch OUT!

Re: # 32

``They need to stop naming parks and hospitals after Sardar Aburrab Nishtar.``(Salim)

you may be right -- what kind of name is Aburab -- father of God -- Ibnerab, one famous one, one can understand -- but Father of God -- pure blasphemy -- no wonder God is not happy with Nishtar Sahib........:)

#55, Nasah,
That was clever. :)

Re: # 46

Tahmed32
Do you think any condemnation of trashy posts of some Indian hate-freaks, by learned or unlearned Indians will make a difference? However I can assure you that all Indians don`t look at the Mosque bombings in the same light as your Hindu gentlemen on unplugged.

May I say on most sensible people`s behalf that this particular Hindu gentleman has lost all his marbles. I could use stronger adjectives however I`d prefer to refrain from profanity.

Now since I went there at your behest I see distinguished a pakistani gentleman being quite happy at civilian killings in Kashmir.

Since you`ve been adept at picking out Indian/Hindu idiots I am sure you would be quite happy to pick out Pakistani/Muslim ones.

I`ve seen both sides gloat over the other`s problems. It makes me sick.

swarrier #57, {``Now since I went there at your behest I see distinguished a pakistani gentleman being quite happy at civilian killings in Kashmir.

Since you`ve been adept at picking out Indian/Hindu idiots I am sure you would be quite happy to pick out Pakistani/Muslim ones.``}

Swarrier,
Obviously you are a victim of ICUPE (Insufficient Chowk UP Exposure). :) There are two people one probably a Pakistani and the other an Indian. They have swapped nationalities and each pretends to outdo the other in being the most extreme representative of his assumed nationality. The situation is hilarious - it`s more fun than simple role playing.

swarrier #57 you write ``Do you think any condemnation of trashy posts of some Indian hate-freaks, by learned or unlearned Indians will make a difference?

Yes.

you write ``However I can assure you that all Indians don`t look at the Mosque bombings in the same light as your Hindu gentlemen on unplugged.

Thanks for the assurance. Wish there were more of your kind on chowk. So far you are the only Indian who has been forthcoming. As you can see below, the others are merely writing exactly as I predicted. Except for masanamuthu who uses the opportunity to flatter himself by calling himself a ``freethinker`` while writing stuff that only an ``enslaved nonthinker`` would write.

you write ``Since you`ve been adept at picking out Indian/Hindu idiots I am sure you would be quite happy to pick out Pakistani/Muslim ones.``

Ask Pakistani idiots like masadi what they think of me and you will realize that I am an equal opportunity idiotbuster (OK, maybe ``idiotbuster`` is too ambitious a word, since mere posts written on chowk by me or anyone else isnt going to change an idiot into a thinking person. ) Only difference is, Pakistani idiots aim for bigger game than india, and pick on the US or the west or on other Pakistanis who dont chose to join them in this mudslinging, while indian idiots stay focussed on pakistan (to the point of clinical insanity in case of some of them). But cut and paste what you are referring to, and I will be glad to comment on it just as you have commented on, as you rightly say, the ``hindu hate-freaks`` .

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to express your views to the threads started by a couple of your countrymen on unplugged that I posted below.

Re: # 57 sw
[...I`ve seen both sides gloat over the other`s problems. It makes me sick. ...]

Don`t be.... Don`t worry too much about ClosetMullah32`s self-rigteous bullsh!tt..... So some Indian is ``gloating`` over pakis getting wrong end of jihad stick - what`s the big deal?.... In some ways - it`s poetic justice.....

We all still remember the hey days of jihad on indians, where paki media used to proudly display headlines like ``freedom fighters killed 7 of marriage party`` and paki people used to feel so elated about that on their way to donate some more in the jihad donation boxes..... as far as we know - no paki ever tried to stop the gloating at that time.....

Now that the winds is blowing the other way - pakis are whining like fools - ``oh hinuds are gloating.... this evil hinud is gloating at me..... that`s the reason we left them behind in 1947.... these bad hinuds... look mommy - he is still gloating at me.... ``

:)

Same culprits as in Benaras?

Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the shahi imam of Jama Masjid .. ``This is the handiwork of those who carried out the bomb blasts in Benaras. The persons who have been arrested are innocent but those who perpetrated the crime are still roaming around freely,`` he charged but refused to elaborate.

This is the first time that Jama Masjid has been targetted by the militants. In recent times the imam has been using strong language against terrorist outfits.

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/apr/14masjid.htm?q=tp&file=.htm

#60 You can call me a ``closet mullah`` - but you are a shameless, open-air liar.

If you wish to prove otherwise, I challenge you to cut and paste anything I have ever written on chowk to back your name-calling.

heh heh ... kashmakash and poker rule!

Re: # 62

tahmed:

you should step down from the high horse of ``morality`` that you are riding on.

there will always be people who are antagonist to each other, on both sides of the border.

you are conspicously absent when during the mudfest, indians are at the receiving end and start teaching ``humanity`` when the reverse happens.

eg. when indians were ridiculed as ``code-collies`` by eminient pakis such as behram you weren`t seen around but when some indians replied in kind by calling pakis ``cab-drivers`` you came out, guns blazing, calling hinuds castiest.

Re: # 58

Salim that thought had crossed my mind (identity swapping), it seemed too good to be true.

I don`t spend much time on UP anyway.


Tahmed
My mail was sent off in righteous indignation, but at my age I have to sit down frequently and cool it. -) I find laughing at anybody`s misfortune an abomination. I am not happy with what happened in Karachi either. It`s just ordinary folks , whatever their political leanings or religious persuasions, who get killed .

Hopefully things will not get worse.

#46 by tahmed32 on April 14, 2006 7:50am PT


of course, Pakistanis dont gloat over such things,


Prophet tahmed(peace be unto your self-righteous rear): your paki brothers were gloating after the varanasi bombing..they were saying it`s part of the paki strategy to carry jihadi into India..

Re: # 62 cm32

``open-air liar``?... that`s the best you can come up with? :))).... Anyway - I don`t know why you are so against the name ``Closet Mullah``..... it`s a good name and it fits your personality.... No?

Re: # 66

arjun

``your paki brothers were gloating after the varanasi bombing..they were saying it`s part of the paki strategy to carry jihadi into India.. ``

that was HP`s strategy to fan communal strife in india. and according to him, it is paks ``right`` to do so.

Re: # 65 sw
[...It`s just ordinary folks , whatever their political leanings or religious persuasions, who get killed ...]

Well - when your ``political leanings or religious persuasions`` takes you to support jihad - then you should expect the inevitable, even if you are a ``just ordinary`` folk....

The suicide bombings in Karachi and elsewhere didn`t come out of the blue - the ideology behind these crimes has been planted and nurtured by paki people - the army, the elite and even the ``just ordinary folks`` - over last 20 years, to kill hinuds kafirs, get kashmir and what not.... now that it has come to bite them, we as victims of that campaign are just pointing out that obvious fact..... that may look like gloating to them - but then what they expect us to do?.... cry over their problem which they brought it upon themselves?....

I know where you are coming from - but this is one situation where you should not let ``good intentions`` run the wrong side of the issue.... paki need to go thru this pain, only then things have chance to change their murderous ideology.... otherwise, kafirs like us would keep dying for a long time to come.....

#68 by Netizen on April 14, 2006 11:23am PT

Yup...Prophet tahmed, in all his self-righteous glory, chose to ignore that convenient fact..

doesn`t matter to me anyway...the way i see it, the only paki who doesn`t support terrorism is a dead paki...

#57 by swarrier

How`re you coming along with `Camus` my friend? I hope you know by now what I mean.

Rgds

I don’t know why people are upset. It is an Indian problem; a little more action here and there and then we are talking…summer is around the corner…let the fun begin!

Koi yehan gira, koi wahan gira!

Re: # 72
HP

``Koi yehan gira, koi wahan gira!``

are you going to conclude the shera..........

i think it is by galib in inebriated state.... isn`t?

Re: # 69

Mohar
I have no sympathy for trained killers and believers in the strategic depth syndrome, or even purveyors of the limited war. If anything my views would be more draconian than yours. Collateral damage I understand. But bombs, against civilians and the score keeping, no.

`Nuff said. Have to rush.

Neti,

Iss dil kay tukray hazar hoi
Koi yehan gira, koi wahan gira!

Koi yehan gira, koi wahan gira!


I don`t know it was by Ghalib...I think it was an Indian movie song...appropriate! what do you say?

#73 Netizen

I am not familiar with the Ghalib version. But here is how the present-day version SHOULD have read:

“Etch Pee ke dil pe choat lugee
Aurat ne dhuk-ke maar diye

Chal baar jara – kuchh pee-te hain
Ye ghum shayad kuchh thunda ho

Bouncer boalaa – hut bhaag abhie
Pichhle saa-re bill baakee hain

Jub laat lagee peechhe kuss ke
Etch Pee boala – dhutt tere kee

Aa bail mujhe too maar jara
Yeh jeena bhee koi jeena hai

Mak-khee munh pur aa baith gayee
Phir tutt-ee baaro-baar karee

Boatal puk-ree phir haathon mein
Jai-se buss wo hee aurat ho

Pee Pee ke tukre hazar hue
Koi yahan gira koi wahan gira!”

#76 (Disclaimer)

There is no serious intent here to give the late Mirza a run for his money, or his bottle!

hp, bj

nice.

heres mine:

maykhane main peekar sharab sabka sar aisa phira,
Koi yahan gira, koi wahan gira .........

#78 Netizen

Zen muni,

I think the Mirza is even safer now - now that you are brandishing that pen!

Re: # 79

``I think the Mirza is even safer now - now that you are brandishing that pen! ``

sorry, there was no pen only a mouse and a key board :)

#80 Netizen

Yes, I heard the squeak! Even though it was off-key and sounded bored!

Or perhaps that was the sound of HP dahling screaming in agony as he ran away - leaving a trail of tears when suddenly confronted with the unpleasantest of the facts - or perhaps somebody offered him free booze!

Or perhaps the editors were beating their collective heads against their screens - ye kaisa jamanaa aaa gaya hai!

I am even worried that the rooh of Janab Ghalib may simply decide to pay a visit and exact revenge! Creating its own dhamaka and putting us all in our rightful places!!

Koi yahan giraa, koi wahan gira!

Neti,
Okay here is another variation...

Iss bum(bj) kay tukray hazar hoi
Koi yehan gira, koi wahan gira!

Koi yehan gira, koi wahan gira!

I came up with a more accurate version to capture HP`s frame of mind on this whole issue of the bomb blasts:

(Enter HP)

HP: “Barssat ke mausam mein
Tanhai ke aalum mein
Main ghar se nikal aya
Boa-ttal bhi utha laya
Zinda hoon to jee-ne do
Barsaat mein pee-ne do
Bomb phoot-te rehtey hon
Bomb phoot-te jayenge
Dum chhoot bhi jaye to
Hum phoot ke royenge!
Bus ek baar apne
Haathon se pee lene do
Mar-ne do un logon ko
Aur bus hame jee-ne do!”

(Collapses in drunken stupor)

Kids always liked those little kids’ shoes that blink as they walk, but we know of one bum criminal who should have thought things through a little more. On April 14, 1993, police in Patna ceeeety, Bihar easily tracked an accused drug dealer after he bolted and ran into the woods late at night. He was wearing athletic shoes equipped with battery-operated flashing lights.

After parole, he goes by beej the bum....

(As the curtain rises over what looks like a bomb-blast site, a devastated HP is seen clutching the bottle – paying no heed to pleadings of his well-wishers.)

HP (to bottle): “Main tootke sanam aise hi tujhe chaahoongi
Teri aankhon se kabhi door nahin jaaoongi
Kasam hai tujhko mere saajna mohabbat ki
Main saath phero ke saato wachan nibhaaoongi”

BJ (to HP): “Tujhe pyaar se dekhne waala
Tujhe apna samajhne waala
Ek dil hai, ek dil hai, ek dil hi to hai
Mera dil hai, mera dil hai, mera dil hi to hai”

Chowk (to HP): “Budtameezi pe tum aa gaye to
Hum shareefon ka phir kya hoga
Hai sheeshe ka ghar tumhaara
Maara patthar to phir kya hoga”

HP (to chowk): “Naachoon naachoon, na na na naachoon
Aankh milaaoongi, aankh churaaoongi
Dil dhadkaaoongi, hosh udaaoongi
Ae, sab ko mana loongi, sab ruth gaye to kya
Main naachoon bin paayal, ghunghroo toot gaye to kya”

(Chowkees collapse in dismay. The wail of ambulance sirens is heard in distance. Muscle men from the insane asylum arrive.)

Chowk (to HP): “Halki Halki Mulakaate Thi
Door Door Se Baatein Thi
Dheere Dheere Kya Ho Gaya Hai Main Kya Kahoon”

HP (to chowk): “Kyon Ladkhadaye Dhadkan
Kyon Thar Tharayen Tan Mann
Kyon Hosh Mera Kho Gaya Hai Main Kya Kahoon
Kuch Naa Kaho Kuch Naa Kaho
Kuch Naa Kaho Kuch Naa Kaho”

(Musclemen snatch away HP’s bottle and pack him off.)

HP (missing his bottle): “Auron Ko Pilate Rehte Hain
Aur Khud Pyaase Reh Jaate Hai
Yeh Peene Waale Kya Jaane
Paimanon Pe Kya Guzari Hai”

(Ambulance takes HP away.)

I joined chowk today and I live in London, but living here has made me realise one thing. The Germans, French and English have been on war with each other throughout history. There history is so blood ridden that we cant even imagine. Even with so much blood they have come to live with each other not only in harmony but as partners. While we Hindus and Muslims in India have lived together for so long, and we are ready to kill each, infact some of us actually look out for an excuse to trouble the other community. This tit for tat game has to stop. Neither Hindus nor Muslims are going anywhere, they have to live together, so either we can make peace or keep shedding blood in an absolutely unessential way.

When these imbecilic maniacs attacked Varanasi, I knew there would be a response. Lo and Behold there it is. I believe that Muslims should apply some sense and stop this idocity immidietly. The words of Iqbal come to my mind....

Mazhab nahin sikhata, aapas mein bair rakhna,
Hindi hain hum vatan hai, hindustan hamara.

Inspite of this I believe all is not lost. I believe in secular India. I am a Muslim and Hindus have helped me so many times, and the same goes for me. Till the time we keep helping each other, doing small favours for each other regardless of our religious backgrouds, I know secular India will survive. And this ragingly stupid culutre of tit for tat will end.

Bye for now... Ali

Syed Ahmed Bukhari Saheb is probably correct.......the IM know it very well that those who blasted bombs in the temples are also the same elements who planted bombs in Jama Masjid.................all roots to this terror get connected to Pakistan...............and we all know it from the clear pronouncements from the `educated` Pakistanis that they would like to see communal riots in India and the world over and they can always claim that it is their `internal problem`!!!
Pakistan is clearly the a frontline state whose citizens sponsor terrorism worldwide .......it is time we cut out this crap.......

That ha$a&* Pakistani (HP) is a closet jehadi and probably as dangerous as an `educated` mullah omar or OBL.................he has already infilterated the western world and is waiting for the opportune moment to subvert the war on terror................he knows rightly that the next war on terror would be fought in Pakistan and he and his jehadi friends would certainly be blasted out off his rat hole by those bunker bombs from Indian forces...............

don`t blame HP...what`s he to do..the poor cab driver is probably pissed at some Indian It guy who rode his cab and didn`t tip him enough..then there`s the ever-present threat of being deported to Pakiland because he`s a paki..i heard the deportation flight isn`t very comfortable...they tie the paki up in chains and don`t let them go to the bathroom too often..

#86 by alimustafakhan

..hang around and contribute..its all good fun. Dont mind good-ol HP..he is just guilty about usurping his sindhi neighbors kothi in Sukkur ;-)

Re: # 89

Mr.Arjun stop personal attacks.You do not know HP in person and if you know then settle outside. This place is for PKISTAN related things. You are not welcome honestly but as India has become ``problem`` so you are tolerated. I will like more contribution from friendly countries like Iran, Afghan, B.Desh, KSA. IRAQ etc. Why you do not start new news paper for Indians and your Tamasha in that. Your hate crude paste is not welcome. You are very very partial so not welcome. You look to problems differently. Now there some problems and little problems means big problems I know that but we know that and supreme leadership is paying attention and it takes time to solve problems as code coolie you must know that. Even bill gets can not do all things right at first shot. And there is problem with EXpaks as they just like you look at our problems with microscope and microscopic problems occur to appear as Mega Problems.While india has more problems but you look at reversed telescope and they appear really small. I do not like you making fun of hard working people whether they drive bullock carts ( like in India- 95% of indian transport, its little I have inflated but still people doing that or pulling three wheelers by people) or computer coolies. This all not good profession just way to fill tummy and have good sleep. So what is special about bad thing of driving taxies etc. In fact all worlds- west london to tokoyo taxis is controlled by Punjabis and people of world are happy for professional driving. Now you should worry soon Indian will be fired from jobs as high teck is down, as code will be written by big computer machines while taxies will never driven by machines. Also all west is mad as indian are usurping white collar jobs and people are mad about India and so soon big Indian ``kickout`` is coming. I am very sad about that as those poor Indians will what do back at home. Sorry indians. I do not enjoy of india diving in poverty as already 80% indians in all towns are living on streets and have no food to eat. I feel sad when I look at underweight indian men, women children, even young man and women suffering from lack of food, lack of Iron in blood problem ( I forgot name recently one person here and was told to eat food) in people which affects brain permanebtly leading to underdevelopment in mental department. Please look in pictures how emancipated pathetic indians look compared to well fed punjabis from lahore. We have problems of over eating , senseless gorging on fatty foods ( Halava) etc and those of problems of excess especially in young people man and women. So this has created problem at 25 women loose figure and men loose figure at 28. This problem is there but can be tackled by self decipline and exercise. Here men do not care about their own figures but they want their women to keep by exercise does not work. But India has other way problems of no food . They have no flesh on body all bone like Mr. Gandhi but I feel sorry for all. I hope they get food and feel better. So there is no joy, we are sick due to too much food anf your India is suffering due to lack food. Both bad but it is better to have problems of excessive food than lack of food.
Why you criticize taxi drivers, every body when child wants to become passanger train driver or driver of airmachine , or ship driving captain, so basically all are dumb jobs is it not so what about that. You are not rational. Its all same only your mean attitude make you to see difference in objective reality of subjective world. I do not hate India like you hake Pakistan. I do not critic India but if some thing is good I say wah and about bad things let it go, how I am to critisize when I do not do any thing good to India by doing something like denoting money etc. More you cricize your enemy more foolish you become.
And do not make fun of hardworking people, they may be deported that does not mean they are criminal or terrorist of AL Q solders etc. Just simple people working hard to earn doolars for family as things are not good back home just like all other people who are deported.
They do bound hands to seat as americans are mean people and hard on poor poor pakistanis as usual. But they let them go to bathroom but in order as there are few toilets on airmachine as you may know ( Unless you just walked to usa like your anarchist Mohata on sea) so they allow people one after other just like they give Chalan in Kachheri ok. Nothing special. Only when they approach Karachi or I-Bad they are not allowed as its landing time and toilet not occupied. Just you have to raise hand and tell them then they will let you go to toilet. I heard on radio here all this ordeal. But people have have to go through as Americans are mean people specially when pakistan has handed thousands of Terrorists to usa and when they are front state , with war on terror.
Any way your contribution is not liked by even 1 irpian. It good morning and wish you good luck though you wish us to bad calamities like bombings and violence and earthquakes.
I better watch nice sky than you hate. Bye goodmorning and good luck.

Re: # 3
Watch Kaante for this where the theory is explained before the plot..



And the head detaches itself first..then the bomb explodes..
The detachment is supported by rocket propelled..ignition which immediately takes flight..and the fissile material then acts like a grenade..

does that sound..stupid..?? or logical..??

#89 by arjun_m

Kanjar chorrha is upset…a mad Hindu is a dead Hindu…

#88 by ballukhan

Ballu marasi,
April is not over yet…then a full month of May… which city you live in? This summer is going to be hot in India!

Iss bum kay tukra hazzar hoaay
Koi yehan phatta, koi wahan phatta

HP-

``April is not over yet.....``

You have used up your bluff on April Fool once.............and you made a fool of yourself before everyone at that time...........remember? ..............now wake up before the Mr. Hyde part of your split personality catches up on your Dr. Jekyll.............

Re: # 93


``Koi yehan phatta, koi wahan phatta ``


uparwala tumhari khwayish poori nahin karega..........the only things bursting would be the bunker bombs in your rat hole..........

#91 by ahmedmadani

Ahmed Madani saheb, you have hit the nail right on its head!

I agree that this web-site must stay focused on Pakistan-related things - we should all try to solve problems. Your advice regarding starting Indians’ own web-paper is more difficult to implement. It is a little like setting up a business corporation. It is too much work to do.

It is a lot easier to just take one over!

Some people may disagree with you that this is a Pakistani site - please remember, an Indian sits on top and in all probability keeps whipping the rears of the Pakistanis underneath! Others may see that as no big inconsistency in this case - since women do it all the time irrespective of nationality!

Your analogy of a reversed microscope is absolutely accurate. The bullock carts continue to race along those highways! Those are the most energy-efficient vehicles ever invented and the Indians did it, too!

In the same way - the west is only NOW discovering the advantages of staying slim - the Indians have known it for ages - and actually practiced it like you stated - over 80% of our population has no difficulty maintaining that slim figure.

It could even be said that the Indians have become so lazy due to all those successes that they always try to do things the easy way.

We did the same with our languages - we grabbed and appropriated words from Farsi and others when nobody was looking and before anyone could say ``boo``, we claimed their ownership - and since we have the larger number of people, it gets easily validated, too!

It is a serious problem for the people of Pakistan! They are simply not producing enough children to keep up with the Indians. For every child that is born in Pakistan, there are four or five born in India - so when the time comes, we can outshout them by a volume level of four to one! In spite of the hard efforts of a few Pakistani individuals here!

I am sorry to give you the bad news sir, some day we will grab all your shero-shairis too (and perhaps even the male and female shairs as well)! I believe we may have already grabbed your various foods. Soon, there may be little original Pakistani items left for the Pakistanis - and there is not much even the Drs. Gill of your world can suggest on how to protect yourselves! They - like all the Pakistani brains on this site and everywhere else in the world - are absolutely clueless on how to deal with the serious Indian threat!

We do things in even more insidious ways - we make movies and songs with the Kashmir theme so everyone will associate Kashmir with India - and then the world will never question our rightful ownership of that province! We even usurp your emotions! How can one watch ``Kashmir ki Kali`` and not cry?!!

You think THAT is bad! Just wait till we start making movies with Sindhi and Balochi themes and start opening call centers in your side of Punjab - I think all your khakis are eminently suited for those call-center jobs - based on their training and performance. Such jobs may not pay as much as their current booty - but then at least they will actually do some real work and then perhaps identify more with their common masses!

Make no mistake about it.

The Indians are coming! The Indians are coming!

Unless, of course, they are already there! Like on this site.

#93 by HP on April 15, 2006 0:51am PT

pack your bags...

Immigration crackdown shatters Muslims` lives

By Cam Simpson, Flynn McRoberts and Liz Sly
Tribune staff reporters
Published November 16, 2003

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- The 75 passengers on the Icelandair jet sat strapped to their seats, cloth bands cinching their arms to their waists for all but the final descent of the three-leg, 20-hour flight.

Struggling to feed themselves, they spilled rice and meat onto the floor of the cabin. A trip to the bathroom required the escort of a federal agent.

After the plane screeched to a halt in the sweltering July heat, U.S. officials herded the men off the jet and onto the soil of their native Pakistan. The purpose of the flight: deportation. Why them? Their nationality.(i.e. PAKI)

#97 Arjun

Nobody in their right mind gets pleasure from the suffering of individuals - no matter what their nationality!

Will you stop recycling this 3-year old piece now.

I do not know what happened at the time and who did what, but if Federal agents mistreated individuals in their custody they probably violated some American laws, too!

My observations on the happenings at large in India is that it is a result of the political class being totally out of control. Every government organ has been hijacked by them for their personal causes, be it the police, fire department, municipal corporations and the like which is why they simply don`t function.

In India, we absolutely need political reforms to ensure that the Mayawatis, Lalloo Prasads, Mulayams, the Gowda family all of whom are essentially incompetent and failed people find it very hard to gain political power and hence ruin the country. At the same time, we need to make it easy for people like Narayan Murthy of Infosys, who has shown the guts to stand up to the politicians, and who has genuine long term solutions for India`s problems to be given a chance either through politics or administration to get into the system and make a difference.