Reservations and the Media

Ref ali_1 #34

[Once Dalits have empowered themselves by embracing a monesthetic faith, would they force feed the brahmins like harimau and indian007 in a similar manner?


Two Dalits in Tiruchi district are made to eat each others excrement]

Chances are a 1000-to-1 that the perpetrators of this crime are the OBCs for whom Abhishek Behl is shedding tears in this article.

By the way, ali_1, the Islamic faith calls for the force-feeding of beef to non-believers. Have you forgotten that?

Re: # 47
#47 by harimau on April 22, 2006 4:08am PT
>>>>>The Collector of Cuddalore District is a keshadhari Sikh named Gagandeep Singh Bedi. His work during the recent floods was so appreciated by the local people that they surrounded the Chief Minister during her visit and asked her not to transfer him to any other district<<<<

Very inspiring story. Did the chief minister oblige? Is he still around?



Ref Ali_1 #34

>>>>[Once Dalits have empowered themselves by embracing a monesthetic faith, would they force feed the brahmins like harimau and indian007 in a similar manner?
Two Dalits in Tiruchi district are made to eat each others excrement)<<<<

Some of the most cruel violence is unleashed amongst the ``lower`` castes, which is even more unfortunate. Both major political parties in this place u are quoting are products of pro-dalit movement. U can not survive there if you don`t prove ur pro-dalit credentials. Brahmins will be lynched if they contemplate anything like what is described in this story.

Re: # 40
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Ferzana: please take a note of this imposter.

Ref Maharana #16

[Lastly, a lot of oppression in the past by upper castes cannot translate into a reservation for jobs. By that logic, all hindus, sikhs and jains oppressed by muslims also should get reservation in educational institutes and jobs.]

That is NOT how it works in India.

In Andhra, the Congress government reserved 5% of professional college seats FOR Muslims!

Ref delhiwala #28

I[ wish Sikhs had reservation for IAS in nineties. I flunked in Mains... ]

No need for reservations for Sikhs in the IAS. Sikhs can and have made it on merit to top jobs all over India and not just in the Armed Forces.

The Collector of Cuddalore District is a keshadhari Sikh named Gagandeep Singh Bedi. His work during the recent floods was so appreciated by the local people that they surrounded the Chief Minister during her visit and asked her not to transfer him to any other district.

On the other hand, the erstwhile Collector of Nagapattinam District named Veerashanmughamoney (synonyms: Masanamuthu, Sudalaikkannu and Sangilikkaruppan) was summarily transferred two weeks after the tsunami. His replacement, Dr. Radhakrishnan, went to Sri Lanka to advise their government on tsunami relief activities and even went to the US to participate in a symposium on disaster relief and recovery, both at the instances of the host governments.

Dr. Radhakrishnan is a brahmin.

Ref ali_1 #34

[Once Dalits have empowered themselves by embracing a monesthetic faith, would they force feed the brahmins like harimau and indian007 in a similar manner?


Two Dalits in Tiruchi district are made to eat each others excrement


On September 5, at Kaundampatti in Dindigul district, Sankan, a Dalit agricultural worker, was forced to drink urine — for having lodged with the police a complaint of trespass against a caste Hindu.

An equally horrifying incident occurred at Thinniyam village in Tiruchi district on May 22. Two Dalits, Murugesan and Ramasami, were forced ``to feed each other`` human excreta.]

Check on the facts in both cases.

I am willing to bet US$1 million that no brahmins were involved. Go ahead, prove me wrong. You could be rich!

The offer also goes to Masanamuthu as well as Soysauce. (They know better than to take the bait.)

By the way, this is what happens when non-Brahminical values are touted as the answer to India`s social ills. That experiment has been going on since 1950 in Tamil Nadu and this is the result.

Ref mineguruji #43

[I would want to know, who ushered in the socialist era, was they THE OBCs or the SC/ STs or rather he was the greatest of all the Brahmins- Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, who ushered in his brand of socialism- which forced India on the backfoot for five decades.]

He also included the 22.5% reservation for SC/ST in the Constitution. If he hadn`t, at least we wouldn`t have this level of backwardness in the country.

Let me give you just ONE example of why brain-dead people should not be given jobs just because of their caste.

In Chennai, at a busy traffic junction (Kathipara, for those who know Chennai), a lorry carrying sand was stopped by police who found out that its brakes were faulty. Instead of calling a tow-truck, the policeman asked the lorry driver to move the lorry away from the intersection. It promptly ran over an autorickshaw because its brakes would not hold and a couple in their sixties, who were using the autorickshaw to go shopping for wedding clothes for their daughter who was going to be married soon, were killed on the spot.

[Sir, who lead India and who is leading India, who ruled Bihar prior to LALU, and who were the rulers of UP, MP, Rajasthan.
All these states were lead by upper class leaders, who had only one interest in their mind and that was how to perpetuate themselves and their kith and kin.]

And i suppose Robbery Devi is no relation to Lallu Prasad Yadav and that their daughter Misa graduated at the top of the class in medical college in Patna because of sheer merit.

If you believe that, I have got a bridge to sell to you.

[This time there is slight aberration, however, the lower strata has become a little more aware and little more conscious and this is unplaltable to people like you.]

EVERYBODY in India belongs to a backward class. I once met a poor brahmin selling papads door to door in my hometown. His son was going blind (by this time, the loss of vision was irreparable and almost complete) because of one simple factor: lack of Vitamin A in the diet. Money if the only currency. Lack of money leads to all the ills of society. The second thing is lack of motivation. If despite having money the OBCs don`t want to study, limit their population, expand their horizon, etc., it is not the fault of the upper castes.

Abhishek

Many people here share your interests, and possess at least some knowledge of the underlying problems.

So a good way to proceed may be that people join hands with you by learning from you and you learning from them. That will very much facilitate the actual solving of our problems.

I would want to know, who ushered in the socialist era, was they THE OBCs or the SC/ STs or rather he was the greatest of all the Brahmins- Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, who ushered in his brand of socialism- which forced India on the backfoot for five decades.
Sir, who lead India and who is leading India, who ruled Bihar prior to LALU, and who were the rulers of UP, MP, Rajasthan.
All these states were lead by upper class leaders, who had only one interest in their mind and that was how to perpetuate themselves and their kith and kin.
When the powerful peope, were benefitting from socialism, everybody sang paeans in its support and when the same set of people are benefitting from privatization, they have changed the tune.
This time there is slight aberration, however, the lower strata has become a little more aware and little more conscious and this is unplaltable to people like you.
Its the truth, no offences meant.
Abhishek Behl

Hi Ali
The problem with Christianity and Islam and even Budhism in India is that even these religions have adopted casteism in their folds in one way or the other.
Even Sikhs have not been able to fend off this scourge of caste. The muslims when they came to India were more or less following the precepts of Islam, but their success in India and easy life had one falling.
Islam lost it pure character as it slowly became syncretized with Hinduism and same is the case with Christianity.
Look at Pakistan, One religion but so much sectarianism. The present day religions in India are akin to Hinduduism divided on caste and ethnic lines.

Abhishek Behl

Well said and you are right in this respect but i must say the poorest of the Brahmins was not debarred from taking the water from the well, he was not forced to wash his own plates, they were not given capital punishments and their women were not molested.
Despite being poor they had not to perform manual scavenging and so on and so forth.

Abhishek Behl

Hello all chowkies,

I am extremely happy that i have been able to ignite a discussion on this sensitive issue. The idea behind this endeavour is to let the people know the other side of the story.
The tales of the poor and the downtrodden, which are not sexy, glamorous and attractive to the mass media.
As far as the strong reactions expressed by few of the upper caste bretheren, ofcourse, i
understand their angst, they have been historically conditioned along the Pavlovian model to treat the backward classes and the sc/sts as scums of the earth.
Although the times are changing, but they remain the same, and unless and until the change happens in our heads and hearts, no doubt, nothing will change.

Abhishek Behl.

``I am jatt and many steps higher than brahmin of our village``

Dullaji

Growing up, in our village, almost all Brahmins I knew ranked very low on the community`s socio-economic totem pole. Most were lowly farmers with miniscule land holdings. Those who were in the traditional profession of panditai were basically beggars. Their women always wore the cheapest possible, and often tattered clothes. Their children never had sufficient to eat.

An ours was by no means an isolated case.

Re: # 32

````Yes it does upset me when people try to unfairly skew the discussion````

What`s an unfair point to you is fair to someone else. You cant control others voicing their view. However you control whether you get upset or not.

```` but thats not why I put up this post here. ````

Not the way I saw it. But if you say so, so be it.

````Anyway- we`ve had our say. So let us just leave it at that.````

Yup,

Thanks,

madani sirjee..99% indians DO NOT marry outside the biradari, and its true for sikhs too. the only difference is of a sikh marries a hindu, noone is prolly going to get hurt.

same cannot be said if a muslim marries a sikh or a hindu.

Re: # 31
Oye Tainu kistara patta ke enha nu raw-deal mildee hai.

Kanshi Ram tau puch le jaake.

Sadde Pind vich kabja kar ke baitahya ne, te assey kuch nahee kar sakde....