Reservations and the Media

Abhishek, welcome to chowk. I think the only hope for Dalits in India to escape the evil and pagan Hinju way of life is to convert to either Islam or Christianity

Life of a Dalit in India

Covered from head to toe in human excrement, a bare-chested man climbs from the sewer in the center of the crowded street. As people cringe at the stench, he walks through the streets looking for water to clean his body. This is a day in the life of a Dalit.

With arms crossed in front of her, a small girl walks barefoot around the skeleton-figured mutt. She then ambles over garbage, human waste and black-sodden ground as she approaches her home, unaware that life could be lived any other way. This is a day in the life of a Dalit.

Bare hands touch the corpse of the dead woman as pink petals surround the cloth encompassing her body. After the cadaver has been laid on the wood and the fire has been set, bystanders wait anxiously to pocket whatever trinkets are left behind. This is a day in the life of a Dalit.

Millions of Dalits live their lives surrounded by polluted water, excrement, dirt, blood, pollution and filth. Jobs allotted to Dalits include unclogging sewers, loading bricks in scorching heat, washing clothes near blood and human waste and working as meagerly paid field hands. And because of their lack of money and their low social status, Dalits do not have adequate access to food, housing, clothing, education or health care. This is the life of the Dalits.

Bonded labor is prevalent among Dalits. Children often work in slave-like conditions to pay off a family debt-that never gets paid. With estimates as high as 150 million working children, India has the largest child labor force in the world. Abuse is common, with long hours in miserable conditions and no hope of escape. This is the fate of the Dalits.

We can mark it.

Post 17 is when this board is lost for any sane discussions ;-)

Dude you are so wrong about SC/STs.....maybe you are one of them yourself.....

My friends who got 65% in AISSCE in Delhi all became doctors and some are even IAS, I got 80% PCM and did not get any admission in PMT or REC in first list.
Why?
Is this fair?

I expressed my frustration in Delhi when Mandal Commission came in Delhi and we were promised that something would be done, but nothing happened.

There should not be any reservation period.

Sikhs have no Quota and yet they have high pertage in NDA, IMA and IAS and IPS howcome?

Dude you are so wrong about SC/STs.....maybe you are one of them yourself.....

My friends who got 65% in AISSCE in Delhi all became doctors and some are even IAS, I got 80% PCM and did not get any admission in PMT or REC in first list.
Why?
Is this fair?

I expressed my frustration in Delhi when Mandal Commission came in Delhi and we were promised that something would be done, but nothing happened.

There should not be any reservation period.

Sikhs have no Quota and yet they have high pertage in NDA, IMA and IAS and IPS howcome?

I completely agree with the writer. Further , I think the only people in India who are not oppressed or dehumanised are bloody upper caste brahmins. And they constitute 2-3% of the population. So I think reservation in colleges and jobs for the oppressed , disadvantaged and discriminated people of India , should be proportionate to their share in the population and should be immediately increased to 97.5% from the current 50%.

Re: # 17
> only hope for Dalits in India to escape the evil and pagan Hinju....
... and start worshipping paedophiles ....
No wonder, there was large scale apostasy in Arabia as soon as the horrible one died,
some 14 centuries ago.

:)

Delhiwala - for how long will you sikhs and brahmins continue to oppress and depress the poor disadvantaged people of India ? In interest of social justice I demand that you lot are kept away from schools and only given the jobs of janitors in offices , particularly those of you who are engineers and doctors.

Long live Social Justice !!! Long like Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar !! Long live VP Singh !!! Long live Lalu Prasad !!! Long live Mayawati !!

Re: # 23
Indian Bhai,
I have seeing your gutar-putar on chowk for the last few weeks now.
For the record, I dont hate SC/ST OBC(or whatever else you have). I am myself a minorty in India and know what the oppression is about. My best friend used to be a Rajasthani Jatt who got into MAMC Delhi based on OBC criterion. Now is that fair?

Since when Jatts in India are oppressed?

Meanwhile, poor Gulab Devi or Shanta and Kanta and Savita are gang raped in Bihar by Yadavs and Thakurs.

So what is the point.
Point is ::

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Poor people are still where they were and some educated SC/ST OBC took advantage of the situation to get Govt jobs.

This Reservation business is harming India than actually helping it.
G.O.I should help the poor people by making and implementing 5 year plans, as in Yojana program and actually let the SC/ST compete not just give them crutches.

Thank you!!

Only recently, education has become a meal-ticket or ticket to wealth and influence. Not too far learning had little correlation to wealth in agrarian economy like that in india. the brahmins (and those who emulated brahmins like the panjabi khatris) who were traditional learners were not wealthy or influential in village economies before, suddenly were propelled into an upper crust. even 40 years back, my neighbor telis son found no enticement to study since he was much better off selling mungphalli tel than say getting a state bank of india job.

so, while brahmins no doubt got support from society to sudy in the past, its not as if most ot the society was rushing to study, and in traditional indian village the brahmin was not even allowed to till or own land (some obscure thing about plought and fields i forget) as a result was always dirt-poor.

Mr.Delhiwalla...I apologise. Sikhs are oppressed people also. I hereby extend my support to reservation for my Sikh brothers and their sisters as well.

Re: # 24
Delhi .... 007 is being sarcastic. That is the way i m reading his posts.

peace.

Re: # 26

I wish Sikhs had reservation for IAS in nineties. I flunked in Mains...

LOL....

Because of reservations in the name of ``social justice`` and as a consequence of half-baked socialist experiments, India was reduced to 1 week`s foreign exchange in 1991 and pushed to the verge of banktrupcy.

In the last 15 years, the productive class (i.e. those who put their nose to the grindwheel and produce irrespective of caste, religion or creed) have brought back a modicum of respectability to India with ZERO help from a good-for-nothing government, except for removing the fetters that were imposed on them during the license raj days. The miracle today is that India is showing 8% plus growth today WITHOUT the massive investments that are required in transport, power, water development and the like that China has implemented.

Everyone knows that the education system run by the government (which should be bringing the SC/ST`s and OBCs upto the quality required to compete for IIT and IIM seats) is in a mess, a victim of the massive corrutption that flows through the political corridors like blood flows through the veins. People like Arjun Singh are too dishonest to acknowledge and fix this fundamental cog in the wheel of social justice and deliberately choose to divert the debate away from it through such retrogressive proposals as his last one.

And now the luddites of the socialist era are back in the form of Abishek Behl and Mantolives and are dusting off tired old arguments that would have made Goebbels proud. The intention is to steal the hard-work of responsible people for the creamy layer amongst themselves. If instead of erecting Ambedkar statues all around the countryside and garlanding them on his birthday, the SC/ST leaders concentrated on ensuring quality education for their kids, perhaps they too would be able to compete for IIT/IIM seats.

Because of reservations in the name of ``social justice`` and as a consequence of half-baked socialist experiments, India was reduced to 1 week`s foreign exchange in 1991 and pushed to the verge of banktrupcy.

In the last 15 years, the productive class (i.e. those who put their nose to the grindwheel and produce irrespective of caste, religion or creed) have brought back a modicum of respectability to India with ZERO help from a good-for-nothing government, except for removing the fetters that were imposed on them during the license raj days. The miracle today is that India is showing 8% plus growth today WITHOUT the massive investments that are required in transport, power, water development and the like that China has implemented.

Everyone knows that the education system run by the government (which should be bringing the SC/ST`s and OBCs upto the quality required to compete for IIT and IIM seats) is in a mess, a victim of the massive corrutption that flows through the political corridors like blood flows through the veins. People like Arjun Singh are too dishonest to acknowledge and fix this fundamental cog in the wheel of social justice and deliberately choose to divert the debate away from it through such retrogressive proposals as his last one.

And now the luddites of the socialist era are back in the form of Abishek Behl and Mantolives and are dusting off tired old arguments that would have made Goebbels proud. The intention is to steal the hard-work of responsible people for the creamy layer amongst themselves. If instead of erecting Ambedkar statues all around the countryside and garlanding them on his birthday, the SC/ST leaders lobbied the govt. for quality primary and secondary education for their people, perhaps they too would be able to compete for IIT/IIM seats.

Most SC/ST are still getting raw deal in terms of opportunities in life but I am not sure what is this fuss about OBC`s....almost everyone in India except Brahmins can be categorised as OBC in some part of India...I am jatt and many steps higher than brahmin of our village (I knwo it because I grew up with son of this brahmin in our village)...but when I went to New Delhi I felt like an OBC...I mean I was really backward.
Most OBC`s in e.g Punjab are doing much better economically selling clothes, tel, or shaving people`s faces off than most jatts now a days.....only oppression of OBC`s I can think of is social ridicule in certain situations when someone from supposedly higher caste will call them ``teli`` or gulligharh`` on face...but even that can be evenged right on spot by making a similar comment like jatt boot or jatt ghare da matt.

Dear Avkrishna...

Thanks for your post. Yes it does upset me when people try to unfairly skew the discussion but thats not why I put up this post here.

Anyway- we`ve had our say. So let us just leave it at that.