Farzana Versey May 3, 2006
#122 Posted by harimau on May 5, 2006 2:15:01 am
Ref Zeena #118
[Sadly, Modi proved himself another Taliban in subcontinent. If, India will continue having pathetic vampires and hounds as it`s leaders, India will soon end up facing anarchy with the end of secular democracy.]
The end of secular democracy in India will make India into, gasp, a Hindu version of Pakistan?
I just can`t wait!
[Sadly, Modi proved himself another Taliban in subcontinent. If, India will continue having pathetic vampires and hounds as it`s leaders, India will soon end up facing anarchy with the end of secular democracy.]
The end of secular democracy in India will make India into, gasp, a Hindu version of Pakistan?
I just can`t wait!
#121 Posted by harimau on May 5, 2006 2:12:08 am
Ref pmishra2 #112
[Generally, this is a very big problem and, yes, it does often involve a muslim place of worship. Here is an example from a Bengal:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050129/asp/calcutta/story_4289129.asp
Unable to move the mosque next to the tarmac at Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport, the authorities have worked out a way around it to extend the secondary runway]
The article says how the secondary runwy, even after being extended, cannot be used for take-offs unless the mosque is removed.
Actually, this is no problem in India. Get Alliance Air, Air India and Indian Airlines to use the secondary runway for landing. They are sure to crash their planes on the mosque and soon the mosque will be history!
[Generally, this is a very big problem and, yes, it does often involve a muslim place of worship. Here is an example from a Bengal:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050129/asp/calcutta/story_4289129.asp
Unable to move the mosque next to the tarmac at Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport, the authorities have worked out a way around it to extend the secondary runway]
The article says how the secondary runwy, even after being extended, cannot be used for take-offs unless the mosque is removed.
Actually, this is no problem in India. Get Alliance Air, Air India and Indian Airlines to use the secondary runway for landing. They are sure to crash their planes on the mosque and soon the mosque will be history!
#120 Posted by antihypochrist on May 5, 2006 1:05:08 am
FV # 60,
``How do you know that only Muslims constituted that mob?``
-- Yeah right! Both Muslims and Hindus rioted together forming a mob. Unity in diversity. Feed us with further of your bigoted BS.
``How do you know that only Muslims constituted that mob?``
-- Yeah right! Both Muslims and Hindus rioted together forming a mob. Unity in diversity. Feed us with further of your bigoted BS.
#119 Posted by Zeena on May 5, 2006 1:03:53 am
On side note:-demolished sufi shrines will come and haunt Modi and his men and they will meet their destiny sameway as talibans met their destiny after demolishing Buddha`s statu.
#118 Posted by Zeena on May 5, 2006 1:01:31 am
Farzana Jii
Once again you proved yourself a brave, gifted, brilliant, subtle and yet patriotic writer who dares to express her true concerns to question the wrong decision of a prejudice and racist yes, a fake leader, Modi , who is responsible for a massacre of innocent Muslims and now this killer is demolishing religious shrine. Pathetic.
These lines are just brilliant!.....................
{{{Ask. If you don `t want the community to be overtaken by fake leaders.
Ask. If you don’t want the establishment to run rough-shod over people’s right to know.
Ask. For not many can. They are the dead or the dying. }}}}}
Yes, Ask Modi, the vampire how much more blood will he suck??
Modi reminds me of Talibans, he is another Hindu Jihadi who is ready to kill the last Muslim on this earth, who is ready to demolish any spiritual shrine to satisfy his blood sucking needs..................Talibans are a stigma, not only for Afghanistan but for all the humans on this earth to be from human race. Talibans wrongfully demolished ancient statue of Buddha for their own political agendas in the name of their Neo-Islam.
Sadly, Modi proved himself another Taliban in subcontinent. If, India will continue having pathetic vampires and hounds as it`s leaders, India will soon end up facing anarchy with the end of secular democracy. Modi is leading India towards Talibanization or in other words Hindu Jihadism. All Modi`s men are Hindu Jihadis who are purposefully destroying Muslims to make them extinct for their own devilish satisfaction to control and oppress innocent people.........tsk,tsk,tsk, I can see their faces filled with blood , their tongues sucking blood and fresh blood dripping from their lips...............are they hounds or vampires? No, they are more than that..................
How come one uses his political agenda by destroying sufis shrines? This is such a cruel act to play with the spiritual feelings, faiths and beliefs of other innocent people. While these harmless religious places give nothing but peace of mind to millions of people who are hungry for spiritual comfort in this restless and chaotic world. Who seek few hours of spiritual happiness just by going to those sufi shrines. Why Modi is after those shrines?
While neglecting millions of poor without basic needs of food, clothes and shelter...........
Instead of solving problem, why this man is creating more problems? Where is he leading his country to? What is he trying to prove? Nothing but another Hitler.................
If they will continue demolishing religious places, then their likes from different faiths will feel free to massacre innocent people and to demolish their religious places, there will be vicious cycle which will ultimately lead to more anarchy and destruction...............
Once again you proved yourself a brave, gifted, brilliant, subtle and yet patriotic writer who dares to express her true concerns to question the wrong decision of a prejudice and racist yes, a fake leader, Modi , who is responsible for a massacre of innocent Muslims and now this killer is demolishing religious shrine. Pathetic.
These lines are just brilliant!.....................
{{{Ask. If you don `t want the community to be overtaken by fake leaders.
Ask. If you don’t want the establishment to run rough-shod over people’s right to know.
Ask. For not many can. They are the dead or the dying. }}}}}
Yes, Ask Modi, the vampire how much more blood will he suck??
Modi reminds me of Talibans, he is another Hindu Jihadi who is ready to kill the last Muslim on this earth, who is ready to demolish any spiritual shrine to satisfy his blood sucking needs..................Talibans are a stigma, not only for Afghanistan but for all the humans on this earth to be from human race. Talibans wrongfully demolished ancient statue of Buddha for their own political agendas in the name of their Neo-Islam.
Sadly, Modi proved himself another Taliban in subcontinent. If, India will continue having pathetic vampires and hounds as it`s leaders, India will soon end up facing anarchy with the end of secular democracy. Modi is leading India towards Talibanization or in other words Hindu Jihadism. All Modi`s men are Hindu Jihadis who are purposefully destroying Muslims to make them extinct for their own devilish satisfaction to control and oppress innocent people.........tsk,tsk,tsk, I can see their faces filled with blood , their tongues sucking blood and fresh blood dripping from their lips...............are they hounds or vampires? No, they are more than that..................
How come one uses his political agenda by destroying sufis shrines? This is such a cruel act to play with the spiritual feelings, faiths and beliefs of other innocent people. While these harmless religious places give nothing but peace of mind to millions of people who are hungry for spiritual comfort in this restless and chaotic world. Who seek few hours of spiritual happiness just by going to those sufi shrines. Why Modi is after those shrines?
While neglecting millions of poor without basic needs of food, clothes and shelter...........
Instead of solving problem, why this man is creating more problems? Where is he leading his country to? What is he trying to prove? Nothing but another Hitler.................
If they will continue demolishing religious places, then their likes from different faiths will feel free to massacre innocent people and to demolish their religious places, there will be vicious cycle which will ultimately lead to more anarchy and destruction...............
#117 Posted by krishna_abcd on May 4, 2006 11:47:15 pm
Re: 111 by tvarad
tvarad,
I, too, am preparing to return to India after many years in the US. I`d like to find out about your personal experiences, if that`s okay with you. I am especially interested in your views on job opportunities and similar related issues.
Would you mind giving me your email address?
Thanks
Ajeya/Ramanujan
tvarad,
I, too, am preparing to return to India after many years in the US. I`d like to find out about your personal experiences, if that`s okay with you. I am especially interested in your views on job opportunities and similar related issues.
Would you mind giving me your email address?
Thanks
Ajeya/Ramanujan
#116 Posted by ballukhan on May 4, 2006 11:42:50 pm
Modi has worked out a plan carefully and this time he is using his official machinery to find ways to discriminate, marginalize or co-opt muslims in his state...............this time he has used the issue of encroachments to demolish a known sufi shrine..................but this is not babri masjid........he will meet his match...........
#115 Posted by ajeya on May 4, 2006 11:27:52 pm
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#113 Posted by HP on May 4, 2006 11:20:27 pm
First, I think Dargah is not a place of worship. It is generally a place where some Sufi or pir is buried. Dargahs are a special gift to Indian Muslims from India. I doubt that you will find Dargahs in any other Muslim country.
Second Dargah in India and Pakistan are poor man’s religion. Enlightened Muslims or the upper to middle class Muslims wont even go there.
This is unfortunate that Modi or the Gujarat admin has no credibility and the authorities acted in haste. Removing of Mosques has never been a problem in the Muslim countries. Indians just have to learn to deal with it by involving Muslims into decisions like this.
Abt a year or two ago, when a decision was made to construct a freeway/Hiway over the Liyari river in Karachi, some Mosques had to be removed. There was some commotion but in the end it was not a big deal. But removing a Dargah small or large has always been a problem in Pakistan too.
Many intercity roads in Pakistan are built around Dargahs. In some cities even the regular streets have to go around them because no one wants to deal with the graves and pir sain.
In a state like Gujarat, with contentious communal relations, it is expected that the authorities would be more careful and not make hasty judgment calls.
In this case, it seems that the usual bluster to teach Muslims a lesson and the arrogance of the state and city administration caused the problem. When people have scars, emotions flare up pretty fast. It does not hurt to be sensitive but when you are not, incidents like this would continue to happen.
#112 Posted by pmishra2 on May 4, 2006 10:43:50 pm
The truth is that in Modi`s Gujarat it will be very hard to figure out in any objective way whether the dargah was correctly demolished. This is one of the minor consequences of having allowed lots of citizens to be killed by mobs. So Modi`s administration has no credibility in this space, even if in this instance they acted correctly.
Generally, this is a very big problem and, yes, it does often involve a muslim place of worship. Here is an example from a Bengal:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050129/asp/calcutta/story_4289129.asp
Unable to move the mosque next to the tarmac at Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport, the authorities have worked out a way around it to extend the secondary runway
Generally, this is a very big problem and, yes, it does often involve a muslim place of worship. Here is an example from a Bengal:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050129/asp/calcutta/story_4289129.asp
Unable to move the mosque next to the tarmac at Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport, the authorities have worked out a way around it to extend the secondary runway
#111 Posted by tvarad on May 4, 2006 9:52:31 pm
After living in the U.S. for 20+ years,I returned to India four years ago. Here are my observations about the Indian mindset:
a) The rules are: there are no rules.
b) If there are rules, it only applies to the other guy.
c) If, on the outside chance, the rules apply to me, I am too special to follow them.
d) If, even after the above postulates, you still insist on making me follow the rules, you`re abusing me.
Of course don`t you even dare to apply a), b), c),d) to Muslims,SC/ST/OBC/BBC/NBC/ABC...
a) The rules are: there are no rules.
b) If there are rules, it only applies to the other guy.
c) If, on the outside chance, the rules apply to me, I am too special to follow them.
d) If, even after the above postulates, you still insist on making me follow the rules, you`re abusing me.
Of course don`t you even dare to apply a), b), c),d) to Muslims,SC/ST/OBC/BBC/NBC/ABC...
#110 Posted by wiseguyin on May 4, 2006 8:41:08 pm
Re: # 109
it is useless to talk to good hearted ppl like u - totally lost in ur own dream world ...
with time, we will see who was right...
by the way I did find one useful nugget in your post - the spelling :)
thanks
w|z0
it is useless to talk to good hearted ppl like u - totally lost in ur own dream world ...
with time, we will see who was right...
by the way I did find one useful nugget in your post - the spelling :)
thanks
w|z0
#109 Posted by swarrier on May 4, 2006 8:14:21 pm
Re: # 106
Wiseguyin
.
1) Sure then you shouldn`t weep over any Indian soldiers. None of them deserve any medals. That is why folks make money out of Indian soldiers coffins. Takes guts to sit on a terminal log into chowk and explain away deaths by saying they were paid to do it. So please don`t take any pride in our forces the next time there is another Kargil.
2) Indivduals make a species my friend. Or perhaps you should go back and learn classification and biology. I`ve never seen a species that exists without individuals.
3) Well you don`t have any answers for number 3.
4) Again it`s I presume urstruly. I`m sure my aunt and I don`t need his approval. Perhaps you do.
5) Well I`ve never seen any peaceful religion yet, Yes some are more prone to violence than others. Heard about some really nice Catholics in Europe. They managed to kill 6 million jews. I`ve heard about some Muslims called Turks too. Killed around 1 million Armenians. Now Hindus were too busy killing each other. You`ve got to call a spade a spade. Buddhists ,see what the Sri Lankan army is doing. Or look at the Japanese and the rape of Nanking. All your religions are rotten, and all of them are false, because people make them so. You could try to make them better. Oh by the way that includes Marxism.
6) I see you can ape the soap operas on TV well.
7) Must be a different India you live in then. I was under the impression India was for Indians.
8) Do you know what secularism means kiddo? It means that the religion does not interfere in the affairs of the state. Get it. So you can take all your religions and lump it. I suppose you couldn`t live with that crutch. Take a leaf out of Bharaths book. You`ll do well to listen to him or Mohar or Arjun. They make sense. You don`t. And while you are at it please do learn to spell ``lose``.
Now good night, sleep on it and think of indulging in civilised debate. And if I have offended you personally I apologise. If I have offended your ideas, then its good, because I don`t quite care for them.
Wiseguyin
.
1) Sure then you shouldn`t weep over any Indian soldiers. None of them deserve any medals. That is why folks make money out of Indian soldiers coffins. Takes guts to sit on a terminal log into chowk and explain away deaths by saying they were paid to do it. So please don`t take any pride in our forces the next time there is another Kargil.
2) Indivduals make a species my friend. Or perhaps you should go back and learn classification and biology. I`ve never seen a species that exists without individuals.
3) Well you don`t have any answers for number 3.
4) Again it`s I presume urstruly. I`m sure my aunt and I don`t need his approval. Perhaps you do.
5) Well I`ve never seen any peaceful religion yet, Yes some are more prone to violence than others. Heard about some really nice Catholics in Europe. They managed to kill 6 million jews. I`ve heard about some Muslims called Turks too. Killed around 1 million Armenians. Now Hindus were too busy killing each other. You`ve got to call a spade a spade. Buddhists ,see what the Sri Lankan army is doing. Or look at the Japanese and the rape of Nanking. All your religions are rotten, and all of them are false, because people make them so. You could try to make them better. Oh by the way that includes Marxism.
6) I see you can ape the soap operas on TV well.
7) Must be a different India you live in then. I was under the impression India was for Indians.
8) Do you know what secularism means kiddo? It means that the religion does not interfere in the affairs of the state. Get it. So you can take all your religions and lump it. I suppose you couldn`t live with that crutch. Take a leaf out of Bharaths book. You`ll do well to listen to him or Mohar or Arjun. They make sense. You don`t. And while you are at it please do learn to spell ``lose``.
Now good night, sleep on it and think of indulging in civilised debate. And if I have offended you personally I apologise. If I have offended your ideas, then its good, because I don`t quite care for them.
#108 Posted by jang on May 4, 2006 8:03:37 pm
i wonder if there are many 300 year old temples in baroda state..
#107 Posted by harimau on May 4, 2006 6:41:19 pm
Ref Asli-Masanamuthu #98
[samosa, what kind of temples are these? Century-old?]
Since you don`t know any history except the bogus kind written by the Dravidian parties, you would not know that there is NO possibility of any ancient temples in Northern India since they were all demolished to make room for mosques, imambaras and dargahs.
Have you considered the possibility of a brain transplant for yourself?
[samosa, what kind of temples are these? Century-old?]
Since you don`t know any history except the bogus kind written by the Dravidian parties, you would not know that there is NO possibility of any ancient temples in Northern India since they were all demolished to make room for mosques, imambaras and dargahs.
Have you considered the possibility of a brain transplant for yourself?
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