Farzana Versey May 3, 2006
#85 Posted by HP on May 4, 2006 11:04:48 am
Talking against Pakistanis and Punjabis should not be cause of deleting anyone. But hate speech should be. If “punjoos” could be a cause of deletion then use of “Paki” should be too.
It has been shown that Salim can be handled with ease. Check out the other board he now claims that he is an Indian.
Why Aren’t Muslim Women Converting to Christianity?
#481 by Salim_Chauhan
``Consider me an Indian from now on. ``
Personal attacks on writers/authors should be a cause for banning or at least being filtered out.
Aghakhani`s are as muslims as any sunni can be. Why should anyone’s religion be a subject of discussion here?
#81 Posted by Indian007 on May 4, 2006 10:26:23 am
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#80 Posted by Indian007 on May 4, 2006 10:14:42 am
....just a lot of venom spewed rants blaming all crimes against humanity on Modi and those who vote for him. Crying a bucket load of tears for one jihadi who was burnt alive, while maintaining a complete silence over 35 poor Kashmiri hindu villagers who were massacred by those lovely freedom fighters. Serves them right - after all the bloody hindus refusing to back the secular and noble and just cause of Kashmir freedom struggle...
........aur inse umeed bhi kya ki ja sakti hain.......
........aur inse umeed bhi kya ki ja sakti hain.......
#77 Posted by samosa on May 4, 2006 9:46:58 am
After successfully demoliting 4 temples suddenly Baroda Police and Baroda Municipality are being accused of not showing enough caution and preparing themselves inadequately. FV accuses the police commisoner of making political statement and not doing his job. FV should know that the demolition drive had started as per court order of removal of religious structure from APRIL 3rd and NOT MAY 1ST.
I think India needs completely different set of rules and law for Muslims not just Muslim personal law. Muslims should have their own constitution, their own courts, their own police, their own streets and their own demolition drive.
I tend to agree now with 14 points put forward by Jinnah.
FV posts couple of questions at the end of the article. Why police fired tear gas and eight round of ammunation. Its very easy to answer. Actually her second question answers her first question. Her second question is where did the crowd came from. Now when this is answered then probably we would have less riot and less killings. This question is very similar to how muslims gathered at godhra station on 27th Feb.
I think India needs completely different set of rules and law for Muslims not just Muslim personal law. Muslims should have their own constitution, their own courts, their own police, their own streets and their own demolition drive.
I tend to agree now with 14 points put forward by Jinnah.
FV posts couple of questions at the end of the article. Why police fired tear gas and eight round of ammunation. Its very easy to answer. Actually her second question answers her first question. Her second question is where did the crowd came from. Now when this is answered then probably we would have less riot and less killings. This question is very similar to how muslims gathered at godhra station on 27th Feb.
#79 Posted by wiseguyin on May 4, 2006 10:01:03 am
Re: # 77
> I tend to agree now with 14 points put forward by Jinnah. ....
One more guy has begun to see the light now !
Someone more famous then me said: ``Hindus and Muslims are two different nations``. My
only correction to this would be: ``Muslims and Non-Muslims are two different nations``.
These two species MUST reside separately... there is NOTHING in common between them.
The free world must stop being politically correct and start separating the two species. India
is doing her part - starting with Gujarat :)
> I tend to agree now with 14 points put forward by Jinnah. ....
One more guy has begun to see the light now !
Someone more famous then me said: ``Hindus and Muslims are two different nations``. My
only correction to this would be: ``Muslims and Non-Muslims are two different nations``.
These two species MUST reside separately... there is NOTHING in common between them.
The free world must stop being politically correct and start separating the two species. India
is doing her part - starting with Gujarat :)
#75 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 4, 2006 9:05:38 am
#52 kedarnathji {``Salimbhai (since you also referred to me as Bhai):
... I will give you the benefit of doubt and apologize if I offended you by calling you an Islamic fundamentalism appeaser....
Here is the link to the Solapur riots ...
...Around a similar timeframe, Miss World was to happen in Nigeria and there was protests from Islamists against holding it. ``}
Kedarnathji Bhai,
Thank you for the link about the Solapur riots. I was not aware of the death and destruction there. As Mohar Bhai has pointed out, fanatics of all viewpoints use books, cartoons, statements, and even beauty contests as excuses to perform the ugliest acts including murder, arson, rape, and suicide bombings. Their mission is to cause as much havoc and destruction as possible so that normal life and order can break down and they can rule over what is left.
I don`t think that we need to cater to this anarchic segment of any society and their quick arrest, trial, conviction, and elimination is probably the best thing for the rest of society. No, my friend, I hope it`s obvious that I detest Islamic fundamentalism as much as I am against Hindutva types, Catholic Inquisitors, firebrand Zionist zealots, Sunni Wahabbi terrorists like Al-Kayda, LeT, Tally Ban, or born-again, thunder clapping evangelists led on by electronic ayatollahs of the Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell type. Thank you for your understanding.
... I will give you the benefit of doubt and apologize if I offended you by calling you an Islamic fundamentalism appeaser....
Here is the link to the Solapur riots ...
...Around a similar timeframe, Miss World was to happen in Nigeria and there was protests from Islamists against holding it. ``}
Kedarnathji Bhai,
Thank you for the link about the Solapur riots. I was not aware of the death and destruction there. As Mohar Bhai has pointed out, fanatics of all viewpoints use books, cartoons, statements, and even beauty contests as excuses to perform the ugliest acts including murder, arson, rape, and suicide bombings. Their mission is to cause as much havoc and destruction as possible so that normal life and order can break down and they can rule over what is left.
I don`t think that we need to cater to this anarchic segment of any society and their quick arrest, trial, conviction, and elimination is probably the best thing for the rest of society. No, my friend, I hope it`s obvious that I detest Islamic fundamentalism as much as I am against Hindutva types, Catholic Inquisitors, firebrand Zionist zealots, Sunni Wahabbi terrorists like Al-Kayda, LeT, Tally Ban, or born-again, thunder clapping evangelists led on by electronic ayatollahs of the Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell type. Thank you for your understanding.
#74 Posted by jang on May 4, 2006 9:05:13 am
#70 so, the police action should be viewed positively..a timely action by them prolly avoided a larger disturbance. i am sure ferzana and rest of us are grateful for that.
yeah bongy..i had some nice benes in my class and school..they tought me how to make a hole in an egg and suck out the yolk. one was pretty too ;-) .. i know at least one of them did immigrate to israel and was shit-scared of the military duty.
yeah bongy..i had some nice benes in my class and school..they tought me how to make a hole in an egg and suck out the yolk. one was pretty too ;-) .. i know at least one of them did immigrate to israel and was shit-scared of the military duty.
#71 Posted by bongdongs on May 4, 2006 8:54:22 am
#69 Ref: Bene-Israel
Jango,
Came across this film sometime ago about the Indian Jewish experience in Israel and the racial tension between the various communities of Israel.
http://www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/05march/turnleft.htm
Also Miss Asia-Israel is one Ms Datoakar!
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060326/139/635zz.html
It would be sad if Indian`s have to sever their historical links to the bene-Israel under pressure from Indian Islamists.
Jango,
Came across this film sometime ago about the Indian Jewish experience in Israel and the racial tension between the various communities of Israel.
http://www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/05march/turnleft.htm
Also Miss Asia-Israel is one Ms Datoakar!
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060326/139/635zz.html
It would be sad if Indian`s have to sever their historical links to the bene-Israel under pressure from Indian Islamists.
#69 Posted by jang on May 4, 2006 7:47:50 am
#67 also israel has a sizable number of indian jews.. they even staged a ghati play festival a while back. so consular relations are important. also, every israely tech company has bussiness ties to india, and they have the best tech in water-conservation, a subject of prime importance to water-parched india. all the other baddus in the area dont really care for water as much, they just use TP or stone ;-)
#68 Posted by jang on May 4, 2006 7:42:52 am
#66 nasah imagine...
you are driving on a road from dilli to jaipur
there is a massive traffic jam due to a bottlenck 300 year old dargah
due to continual bitching (for progress) from nris like you, kataria govt (or vasundhara raje) gets a court order to demolish the dargah
the demolishion folks make sure to demolish a few temples on the road so as to ensure that they dont get blamed for being communal
local VHP and the muslim goondas make a deal that this is a good fight to do
BJP advani and Yechuri are lickign their chops, mulayam is most happy, and patil does his homework after reading intel reports and gives a wink-nod for a ``controlled`` riot
so the bottomline is its you who is to blame, and dilli-agra stretch is not tel aviv ..its too far from the ocean
you are driving on a road from dilli to jaipur
there is a massive traffic jam due to a bottlenck 300 year old dargah
due to continual bitching (for progress) from nris like you, kataria govt (or vasundhara raje) gets a court order to demolish the dargah
the demolishion folks make sure to demolish a few temples on the road so as to ensure that they dont get blamed for being communal
local VHP and the muslim goondas make a deal that this is a good fight to do
BJP advani and Yechuri are lickign their chops, mulayam is most happy, and patil does his homework after reading intel reports and gives a wink-nod for a ``controlled`` riot
so the bottomline is its you who is to blame, and dilli-agra stretch is not tel aviv ..its too far from the ocean
#67 Posted by arjun_m on May 4, 2006 7:37:11 am
#63 by FarzanaVersey on May 4, 2006 6:01am PT
And what exactly does India gain by cozying up to Israel?
Weapons..trade..friendship with a democratic country where the people have a positive view of India..Of course, these are things important to India, so I wouldn`t expect an Islamist like you to care about them..
I am an Indian entitled to my personal views and have every right to express them WITHOUT anyone telling me
So you have a right to express your Islamist leaning, terrorist supporting views but other people don`t have the right to call you on it? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
And what exactly does India gain by cozying up to Israel?
Weapons..trade..friendship with a democratic country where the people have a positive view of India..Of course, these are things important to India, so I wouldn`t expect an Islamist like you to care about them..
I am an Indian entitled to my personal views and have every right to express them WITHOUT anyone telling me
So you have a right to express your Islamist leaning, terrorist supporting views but other people don`t have the right to call you on it? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
#70 Posted by swarrier on May 4, 2006 8:00:29 am
Re: # 67
Arjun
FV has never said that people shouldn`t call her up for anything she writes. She is defending her stance and she has a perfect right to do that.
Now to differentiate the killings of Hindus in Kashmir with what happens in Gujarat is very simple.
In one case, and this is entirely my opinion, the killings were carried out by foreign militants trained in Pakistan or Afghanistan or in a host of other countries with Jihadist sympathies. It was our government`s duty to protect them, and to hunt down and kill each one of those dirty little cowardly rats.
In the second case in Gujarat the killings were done by our own citizens. The government failed to do anything either despite knowing that some issues could arise. We can blame the Muslims of that area if we want. But if a complete novice like me can assume that these demolitions would cause problems why couldn`t seasoned politicians and police see that problems could occur in a communally sensitive area. Shouldn`t greater care have been taken to ensure that this would not happen.
In the first case we as citizens of India should be asking questions of the government as to why the Hindu villagers were killed.
In the second case other than asking the government we should do some introspection as to why we are still allowing ourselves to be manipulated the way we are. Why do we kill our own people?
Arjun
FV has never said that people shouldn`t call her up for anything she writes. She is defending her stance and she has a perfect right to do that.
Now to differentiate the killings of Hindus in Kashmir with what happens in Gujarat is very simple.
In one case, and this is entirely my opinion, the killings were carried out by foreign militants trained in Pakistan or Afghanistan or in a host of other countries with Jihadist sympathies. It was our government`s duty to protect them, and to hunt down and kill each one of those dirty little cowardly rats.
In the second case in Gujarat the killings were done by our own citizens. The government failed to do anything either despite knowing that some issues could arise. We can blame the Muslims of that area if we want. But if a complete novice like me can assume that these demolitions would cause problems why couldn`t seasoned politicians and police see that problems could occur in a communally sensitive area. Shouldn`t greater care have been taken to ensure that this would not happen.
In the first case we as citizens of India should be asking questions of the government as to why the Hindu villagers were killed.
In the second case other than asking the government we should do some introspection as to why we are still allowing ourselves to be manipulated the way we are. Why do we kill our own people?
#73 Posted by wiseguyin on May 4, 2006 9:03:00 am
Re: # 70
> ..Why do we kill our own people? ..
They never were one of us. The moment you convert - you being part of a different world,
a different species, a different thinking pattern. If you have not got this - how old are you ?
> ..Why do we kill our own people? ..
They never were one of us. The moment you convert - you being part of a different world,
a different species, a different thinking pattern. If you have not got this - how old are you ?
#91 Posted by swarrier on May 4, 2006 12:35:56 pm
Re: # 73
[They never were one of us. The moment you convert - you being part of a different world,
a different species, a different thinking pattern. If you have not got this - how old are you ?]
Mr. Wiseguyin, let us assume for the purposes of this dialogue you are very intelligent and I am very young and very stupid.
Explain to me in simple terms some things after my statements.
I happen to know there were Muslims soldiers in the Indian Army who died in Kashmir. My cousin`s company was there in the thick of the fighting. I`m proud to say they were one of us.
I once worked for a company that is owned by a Muslim, who`s provided employment to quite a few people in India. His wife used to do a lot of social work. I don`t see anybody questioning his Indian credentials.
Perhaps you think our President is actually spying for Pakistan.
I have an aunt who`s Muslim. She has no problems coming to temples with us and performing aartis.
Our driver who was a Muslim when I lived in Bombay would light incense sticks at some roadside shrines when we used to drive down to Kerala every year.
How are the soliders who died not one of us?
How is Premji working against Indians?
How is Kalam a Islamic Jihadist?
How is my poor aunt who cannot speak , Urdu, Arabic, even Hindi very well, and my old driver not one of us?
What makes your statement so different from the actions of the stupid Muslim and Hindu mobs?
[They never were one of us. The moment you convert - you being part of a different world,
a different species, a different thinking pattern. If you have not got this - how old are you ?]
Mr. Wiseguyin, let us assume for the purposes of this dialogue you are very intelligent and I am very young and very stupid.
Explain to me in simple terms some things after my statements.
I happen to know there were Muslims soldiers in the Indian Army who died in Kashmir. My cousin`s company was there in the thick of the fighting. I`m proud to say they were one of us.
I once worked for a company that is owned by a Muslim, who`s provided employment to quite a few people in India. His wife used to do a lot of social work. I don`t see anybody questioning his Indian credentials.
Perhaps you think our President is actually spying for Pakistan.
I have an aunt who`s Muslim. She has no problems coming to temples with us and performing aartis.
Our driver who was a Muslim when I lived in Bombay would light incense sticks at some roadside shrines when we used to drive down to Kerala every year.
How are the soliders who died not one of us?
How is Premji working against Indians?
How is Kalam a Islamic Jihadist?
How is my poor aunt who cannot speak , Urdu, Arabic, even Hindi very well, and my old driver not one of us?
What makes your statement so different from the actions of the stupid Muslim and Hindu mobs?
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