Modi’s Men and their Mean Machines

Re: # 91
> I happen to know there were Muslims soldiers in the Indian
> Army who died in Kashmir. My cousin`s company was there in the
> thick of the fighting. I`m proud to say they were one of us.
They were those instances of h0m0 islamus who were doing what they
were paid to do. Nothing more nothing less. There are numerous
of their kind in police forces. They are not doing this out of love or
some such shit. Heck, no one does a job out of love or because they
want to do it - ppl grab the first job that they can land thier hands
on ! Being an indian (i presume) u shud be know ing this.

> I once worked for a company that is owned by a Muslim, who`s provided
> employment to quite a few people in India. His wife used to do a
> lot of social work. I don`t see anybody questioning his Indian credentials.
You are giving me individual examples, when I am talking about this species.
Notice the pictures - the person in the middle is a h0m0 sapien. Yeah,
I know it is sometimes tough to make the difference (physically speaking).

> Perhaps you think our President is actually spying for Pakistan.
Thats the best you can do ?

> I have an aunt who`s Muslim. She has no problems coming to temples
> with us and performing aartis.
If indeed u have an aunt who does this ... then she is NOT a muslim.
Ask turly - he will throw up if he came to know of ur aunt.

> Our driver who was a Muslim when I lived in Bombay would light incense
> sticks at some roadside shrines when we used to drive down to Kerala every year.
$HIT.
You just made me realise. Islam is so fcukin peaceful !!!!
Must be us hinuds, xtians, sikhs, budhists, jews .....


> What makes your statement so different from the actions of the stupid
> Muslim and Hindu mobs?
Awww - u make it sound sooo cute :)

India is for everyone except Muslims - they got their own land 60 years
ago. They have a duty to go there (if they have any shame, that is).

The more I see and hear your kind of secularists, the more I loose inhibition towards
using violence as a means.

Re: # 106

Wiseguyin

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1) Sure then you shouldn`t weep over any Indian soldiers. None of them deserve any medals. That is why folks make money out of Indian soldiers coffins. Takes guts to sit on a terminal log into chowk and explain away deaths by saying they were paid to do it. So please don`t take any pride in our forces the next time there is another Kargil.

2) Indivduals make a species my friend. Or perhaps you should go back and learn classification and biology. I`ve never seen a species that exists without individuals.

3) Well you don`t have any answers for number 3.

4) Again it`s I presume urstruly. I`m sure my aunt and I don`t need his approval. Perhaps you do.

5) Well I`ve never seen any peaceful religion yet, Yes some are more prone to violence than others. Heard about some really nice Catholics in Europe. They managed to kill 6 million jews. I`ve heard about some Muslims called Turks too. Killed around 1 million Armenians. Now Hindus were too busy killing each other. You`ve got to call a spade a spade. Buddhists ,see what the Sri Lankan army is doing. Or look at the Japanese and the rape of Nanking. All your religions are rotten, and all of them are false, because people make them so. You could try to make them better. Oh by the way that includes Marxism.

6) I see you can ape the soap operas on TV well.

7) Must be a different India you live in then. I was under the impression India was for Indians.

8) Do you know what secularism means kiddo? It means that the religion does not interfere in the affairs of the state. Get it. So you can take all your religions and lump it. I suppose you couldn`t live with that crutch. Take a leaf out of Bharaths book. You`ll do well to listen to him or Mohar or Arjun. They make sense. You don`t. And while you are at it please do learn to spell ``lose``.

Now good night, sleep on it and think of indulging in civilised debate. And if I have offended you personally I apologise. If I have offended your ideas, then its good, because I don`t quite care for them.

Re: # 109
it is useless to talk to good hearted ppl like u - totally lost in ur own dream world ...
with time, we will see who was right...
by the way I did find one useful nugget in your post - the spelling :)
thanks

w|z0

Re: # 70 sw
[....killings were carried out by foreign militants trained in Pakistan or Afghanistan ...]

The local muslims of kashmir also participated in killing and cleansing of pundits... local mosques loudspeakers were used for hate propaganda...

Time to slice that goddam Unindian state Gujrat (the rathole of Hindutva rats) from the rest of the Indian territory and push it into the Indian Ocean --

the Federal army should arrest that whole creepy cabinet of criminals and its miscreant modi -- the blot on the chief ministership -- for disturbing Indian peace, order and tranquility -- and lock them up -- instead of arresting rioters on the street.....

these horrible Gujrati bastards specialize in burning people alive....!

#54 i think you are wrong on this. indias pro-palistenian stance had little to do with muslim apeasement. it was pure bania thing about oil, and labor markets in the gulf and non-alignment-soviet alignment.

#49+various by GT:

I am surprised and only hope you are being tongue-in-cheek. Or do you believe any citizen of India who belongs to a certain group cannot ask questions? You call me “a wannabe Pakistani``, and some Pakistanis here have been accusing me of encouraging anti-Pak/Islam articles.

Just does not make sense.

e.g….

[...now that you have pointed out the kashmir massacre, you might see it posted with a few crocodile tears for the dead indians... whereas, salim chauhan is allowed free reins to continue to bad mouth pakistanis and punjabees without a let, on an article where they are nowhere to be seen...farzana versey was brought to chowk for a certain agenda...she has been doing an exceptional job with the help of salim chauhan and other right wingers from both countries...what a shame, the place that was created for bringing the two sides together has succeeded in widening the chasm...]

This has been written by a Pakistani who has never shown much concern for Indians before.

I am responding to this post because such sentiments are being expressed for a while now.

1. No one can ‘bring’ me in for any agenda, although I am aware that some of these interactors have their own agendas.
2. Articles questioning the Pakistani establishment (just as articles questioning the Indian establishment) are a positive sign. That they come (uninvited, of their own free will) from those living in these countries or professing the respective nationalities reveals a healthy disregard for status-quoism.
3. The fact that someone is ruing the badmouthing of one community just shows a fissured mentality.
4. Yes, of course, before I came in, people from both countries were so in love with each other, right? There were all those ‘We are one’ articles, right? There was no chasm and an accord between the two nations was about to be signed, when I landed up in Agra and spoiled the game, right? And I have never faced any criticism due to my Indo-Pak writings, right?

I think this has been a tremendous leap for me – from being a ‘Paki/Islamist” to a “Hindu rightwing supporter”.

Re: # 64
farzana..
you are neither a islamist nor a muslim..you are an aga khani...since your arrival you have encouraged articles that create hatred...and no indians and pakistanis were never in love with each other before your arrival but they didnt hate so much as well...

you have remained silent about kashmir massacre and diverting the attention by bringing in nepal and other countries whose representation on chowk is nil...

you have remained silent with salim chauhan spewing hate against pakistanis and punjabis on all articles and never deleted them for being irrelevent...

you have tried to hide your incometence by whining and twisting facts...

i expect that now that i have brought these charges, you will use the authority vested in you by either:

1. filtering my post, which you have done regularly
2. banning me for two days for not following chowk guidelines
3. ban me permanently

...so go ahead...

I would seriously like you to see the issue in a political light. I completely agree that mob mentality is uncivilised (#23). But, protest movements have always existed and they need to be channelised in a positive manner.

It has already been stated in this article that Gujarat is a sensitive issue; someone spoke about how Hindus have lived with Muslims…does that not mean that Muslims have also lived with Hindus?

Filing a court case is a way out, but when it takes years for other serious issues to get a fair judgment or any judgment at all), do you think it would work here?
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#34:

[But there is no connection between Modi and the riots. Atleast not so far. There is no need to extrapolate at this moment. The author seems to be waiting for anything or something to happen in Gujarat and quickly bring out modi bashing. There are people who are waiting to compare hindus to nazis. Its wrong (to put it mildly) to associate all gujarati hindus with this killings.]

Modi is the CM; he knows what goes on; the police chief and he are talking the same language – modern look/progress. One does not need any occasion to bring out Modi-bashing – he is a tainted character. Who has ever compared Hindus to Nazis? Who has even mentioned Hindus or Gujarati Hindus in this article?
The figures etc are provided in the reports I have posted.

[How is that Hindus are accused to killing Vora. Maybe the rioters killed him by mistake.]

Where did I say Hindus killed him? And what do you mean “by mistake”? Are you implying that Muslims were the only ones on a rampage and they mistook him for a Hindu? Again, plz refer to the report.

And where have I said the government has to protect only minorities?

Stop imagining things to suit your world-view.
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#44:

[“And the police. Why did they open fire? ``
-- I can`t freakin` believe FV doesn`t know the answer to this. It`s because the rioting muslim mob was a grave threat to public order.]

How do you know that only Muslims constituted that mob? As I said, if the police commissioner knew it was a communally sensitive issue, why were precautions not taken? As for public order, the cops have not managed to bring that about…they reached late, the forces were inadequate and we are told there were no lights in that particular police station.
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#54:

[If Farzana and other Islamists can give a f**k and worry about Palestinian Muslims and what the ``slimy, evil`` Jews are doing to them and because of that we don`t have friendly and diplomatic relations with Israel for almost four decades then I certainly expect them to give a f**k about Malaysian Hindus as well when they are oppressed by Muslims. Israel never had any hostile relationship with India or sponsored terrorism against Indians or any such activity. It is because of the Muslim appeasement that we were not friendly with them for so many years.]

Everytime I have written about IMs, I am told about what happens in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. I am not a spokesperson for these countries and they openly state they are Islamic nations. I have said this time and again: If India wishes to become a Hindu nation, change the constitution and then you can talk to me the way you do now. Until such time, you just have to lump it that I am an Indian entitled to my personal views and have every right to express them WITHOUT anyone telling me that this is being tolerated because of your magnanimity.

Most certainly, should anyone feel strongly, they may write/comment about it in a manner they deem fit.

But, any Islamic issue invariably ends up having some consequences for the IMs. WE have to listen to taunts, even when you do not have IMs involved in any international terrorist movements. Why?

You throw the problems of other Islamic nations in our faces and then expect us not to respond? The Palestinian issue is of concern in large parts of the world and not only to Indian Muslims. And they worry about Palestine, not about Palestinian Muslims. No one has stopped India from having friendly relations with Israel, but it is international policy to keep a distance from aggressor nations. We were not exactly romping around with South Africa during the days of apartheid.

Now that we are friendly with Israel, am I to assume that Muslim appeasement has stopped? And what exactly does India gain by cozying up to Israel?

Re. The temple demolition in Malaysia, why have Indian Hindus been largely silent? Why do they not speak up? Why has there not been much information in the mainstream media about it? Do Muslims own the world media? Why are the concerned people on this board not writing/commenting/opining in their own capacity instead of merely indulging in a ‘yours is worse than mine’ game?

#49 by GT on May 3, 2006 7:58pm PT


forgot FV (a wannabe Pakistani)


wannabe? More like always-has-been..

Re: # 62 FV
[...Filing a court case is a way out, but when it takes years for other serious issues to get a fair judgment or any judgment at all), do you think it would work here?...]

That`s the only thing that will ever work... yes - the courts are clogged - but we can create some special fast track courts for these kind of situations... The civil society can be roped in for this - pressures can be applied from all quarters - a civil movement can be started... there n number of ways we can have a civilized resolutions to any such communal disputes...

For that to work - muslims have to stop being emotional and violent for no reasons... for once - they should use their brains, not their religion-infested heart... They have to seek peaceful ways - when they do that, they will get a lot of help of the majority community who are sick this nonsense... muslims have to help us help them... muslims have to take the first step... this sh!t has gone for too long...

You, as an educated member of the community, should be working in that direction.... not shouting same old bullsh!t all the time... You should be working towards solutions for this - not trying fan the fire with more islamist stupidity..... Actually, never mind, why am I even asking you....

Re: # 62
arjun...
you are welcome to your farzanas and salims chauhans...they are not pakistanis and will never be one...even if they get the green passport...fyi 20,000 palestinians also hold pakistani passport and that does not make them pakistani...

Ref GT #49

[Please read Praveen Swami`s article in the Hindu (yesterday). Yes, Praveen is a good old Tamil Brahmin so you can read him.]

I read ``The Anti-Hindu`` only for its list of ``engagements`` to see if there are any concerts in Chennai that I would want to go to.

While the New Indian Express wrote a news item on how Dayanidhi (literally, ``Fund of Compassion``) Maran, the grand-nephew of DMK Supremo Karunanidhi (another ``Fund of Compassion``) attempted to blackmail Ratan Tata into handing over 33% of their Direct-to-Home satellite TV venture, it took the Anti-Hindu a couple of days to print something about it. So the Anti-Hindu is not the place if you want news. Considering that they have pimped one of the girls in the family to Dayanidhi Maran, you cannot expect anything different from them.

As to TamBrahms, they are the most guilt-ridden folks on earth so I refuse to read their prattles. If I want to read a TamBrahm, I would read ``Cho`` Ramaswamy. Or Gurumurthy.

Thank you for your comments. Perhaps, now many of you would care to read the article? No? Okay, here is a rapid reader and the answers to some queries posed are very clear in the following quotes from the article itself…

Every illegal religious shrine ought to be demolished.

Having said this, I wish to know how a 200-year-old dargah qualifies as being ‘illegal’.

A 32-year-old man was burnt alive by a crowd of 1,500, two days after the demolition.

The others dead and injured are both Hindu and Muslim.

Is this a ‘modern look’?

Gujarat is becoming an experimental lab for proponents of the Hindu Rashtra.

Surely, we cannot bring in history on every occasion and most certainly not to justify the acts of elected leaders in a democracy.

The Vishwa Hindu Parishad has claimed that temples also get routinely demolished

I know it. I have been witness to one such incident over two years ago.

As a citizen, and a true Mumbaiite, I felt good that we were getting rid of structures that come up and impede normal life. I wanted this to happen to Muslim shrines (and they too were on the list) as well

I wish there was a provision to excommunicate such over-enthusiastic believers.

So, why am I protesting against the dargah demolition now? Because it is not a religious issue; it is a political one.

And the Muslim community and the caretakers were willing to let the authorities take away the adjoining ground area (it really is a small place). Why was that not considered?

The community in Gujarat has still not recovered from the 2002 carnage. The cases are still pending. How do such incidents help in the healing process?

Having realised that rath yatras are not making much of a dent and Varanasi was not willing to become a scapegoat, the saffron brigade is sticking to Gujarat.

Here we had two examples of ‘modern look’ -- the priests in Varanasi, and much as I dislike the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid his attitude at the time asking the community to maintain peace was certainly commendable.

Where were the moderate Muslim voices?

But these Muslims will remain silent because it is not a big issue. Instead, we will have some bearded fellows brought in

So, wake up, and ask why there were eight rounds fired and 78 tear gas shells thrown into the crowds. Where did the crowds come from? If discussions had already taken place, then why did such a situation arise at all?

Ask. If you don’t want the establishment to run rough-shod over people’s right to know.

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For the rest, South Asia is not just India, Pakistan, Bangladesh; we also have Nepal and Sri Lanka…so I ought to be commenting about everything that happens there too. But who would be interested? There is no ‘Muslim angle’ there…

Re. the massacre in J&K, it has already been decided what I feel; not only that, it has been stated clearly that even if I did comment, it would be ‘crocodile tears’.

I just wish to emphasise here that it is a pity that people here cannot differentiate between the acts of terrorists and the establishment. I have been saying this for years now.

However, should anyone wish to write about these subjects, they may do so.

I do not have special access to names and I am not responsible for ‘rumours’. It is all there in the media, both print and electronic. I am copying two reports in full because some people here think I have probably imagined this case…

‘The police asked us to go to Pakistan’
Vadodara residents relive 2002 nightmare

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Vadodara: Residents of the Ajwa Road area in Vadodara relived the nightmare of 2002 on Tuesday night as they were left to the mercy of two groups pelting stones at each other for nearly two hours.

Panic reached its pinnacle when a man was burnt alive by a mob. In desperation, many of them started sending out SMSes for help. “We tried calling the police for nearly two hours, but they only told us to go to Pakistan for help,’’ says Zubair Goplani, an activist and neighbour of the boy who was lynched. “Passing police vehicles refused to stop. By the time DCP Siddharth Khatri came, it was too late.’’

Retired deputy superintendent of police M I Pathan, who also stays in the area, said that he had never imagined that something like this could have taken place in his society. “I can say that the police has failed. I served the department for 35 years, but never saw anything like this. I have a licenced firearm, but it was of no use in this situation,’’ said the former policeman.

Mehmood Abdulgani Vohra, brother of the man who was burnt alive, claimed that a couple of police vehicles did pass from the area, but did little. “They cracked down on the mob only after my brother died,’’ Mehmood said.

Strict action to be taken against rioters: Modi

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

[ Wednesday, May 03, 2006 01:58:02 pmPTI ]
AHMEDABAD: Warning of strict action against those indulging in violence in Vadodara, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday appealed to people in the city to maintain peace.

``Some people with vested interests are unhappy with the manner in which the state was progressing and maintaining peace,`` Modi said.

Law enforcement agencies would take necessary steps to restore peace and normalcy at the earliest, he said in a statement.

Modi, presently in south Gujarat, is expected to visit the Vadodara on Wednesday afternoon to take stock of the situation.

Gujarat DGP P C Pande, state Home Minister Amit Shah and three senior IPS officers from Ahmedabad are already in Vadodara.

Six persons have been killed and over 60 injured in violence that broke out after a 200-year-old dargah was demolished in the city on Monday.


Please note Modi’s comment. If this is his idea of progress and peace, then one need not say more.

Farzana ji

You need to check your facts before you write anything. VMC has demolished many temples too. Actually demolition started with four temples on April 3. Actually, there are more temples demolished then dargaahs and NO RIOTS ENSUED at that time.
Well legality of the structure is another issue. So, please refrain from obfuscating the issue. You know who started riots.

Regards