Modi’s Men and their Mean Machines

#118 zeena

Thanks for you kind lecture on compassion and human rights. You belong to a culture which has systematically destroyed EVERY ancient hindu and buddhist temple (after 4000 years of existence) in its area of influence. You belong to a culture in which the hindu minority has been reduced from 20% to 2% in sixty years.

Why stop with us indians? Your culture is famous for its compassion and love for others: why not go around the world and give lectures on ``How to live peacefully with your neighbors`` or similar topics. Please hurry, we really need people like you.

Re: # 123

FV , I`m sorry. I haven`t read all the mails. I got tired after replying to wiseguyin and wandered off. Besides my infant son puked on me at the time I was writing , thereby implying that my opinion was worth precisely that. -)

I use the usual names because people have heard of them. Nobody knows my driver, or say my aunt (Urstruly`s bete noire it seems now) or people from my hometown who I know, or my cousins or people I have worked with or went to school with in Bombay who are Indians first and other things after.
So I round out the usual suspects and exhibit them. I just hate the lump `em all in one rubbish heap approach.

If you like appams Jang says the Rice Bowl in Bandra East is good. I only hope they make them properly with the toddy in it. I will come to Bombay in July and I`ll be eating the roadside kebabs on Hill Road in Bandra and will visit Bade Miyan on my trips to town. I hope they haven`t become pricey.

Cheers
Sadanand

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Re: # 128
> ... I got tired after replying to wiseguyin and wandered off ...

Yeah I have that effect on some people... when I test their (il)logic.

#128 by swarrier:

Nobody knows your driver, but they know me here:) But, yes, that too would get drooled by infant puke!

I know this is off-topic, but I do love appams. From what I read, Jang is more enamoured of the zari-bordered lungis of the waiters at The Rice Bowl. Been there, decent enough (lungis, I mean). I like the appams to be slightly `soggy`. They do a fair job. I prefer them in Kerala. And if one wants to enjoy a special occasion, then Konkan Cafe at the President. A huge sea-food thali with a non-alcoholic in-house drink (sol-kaddi, kokam sherbet or my fave, Panch-ratna) will cost you $10-12 per person.

Hill Road is dirty and crowded now, and the old kebab walla is there, but not near Hilton...he is down the road opp St. Stanislaus school. Haven`t been to Bade Miya in ages, but do try Paush in Vile Parle for Kashmiri food.

Anyway, for more expert opinions, try the email route, as and when...and if...
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To make up for this diversion...

Found this old article and thought it captured something beautiful...

For Bhagwandas, this Vadodara mosque is life
Sajid Shaikh
[ Thursday, March 21, 2002 01:01:24 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

vadodara: his name is bhagwan and he is the officiating priest of a dargah. bhagwandas haribhai patel (77) is a chaste hindu devoted to a muslim saint, kasim dulha. for 38 years, patel has been functioning as mujavar (priest-cum-caretaker) at kasim dulha’s 250-year-old mazaar near the laxmi vilas palace gate and has protected it by putting his own life at risk. ‘‘i came to the dargah as boy of 15 in 1941. i was afflicted with an illness that no medicine could cure. i prayed here and got well. i began spending my evenings at this dargah and in 1964 became the mujavar here,’’ patel says. he has no formal training in islam, has not learnt urdu or arabic but knows the essence of the religion. despite his lack of training in urdu, he rattles off urdu couplets and preaching of sufi saints like an expert. ‘‘maut se koi basar nahi, saman sau baras ka pal ki khabar nahi (one can’t escape death, one can collect belongings for 100 years but don’t know what will happen in the next moment)’’, he says. patel’s philosophy has armed him with the courage to stand between mobs and his place of worship. ‘‘in 1990, some miscreants entered the dargah complex but they were not able to cause much damage. the threat was imminent this time too, but i am ready to lay down my life. i would prefer dying protecting this place. that would be the best form of death for me,’’ he adds. patel is not the exception at kasim dulha’s dargah but rather the rule. for 250 years, this dargah has always had a hindu mujavar. before patel, madhavrao anandrao satham, a maharashtrian hindu, officiated as the mujavar. even today, 95 per cent of the devotees at the dargah are hindus. ‘‘all mujavars till date have been hindus. a majority of devotees are hindus. this is a tradition continuing since the time of maharaja khanderao malharrao gaekwad,’’ patel says. the dargah, which has eight tombs, is covered by a cement concrete complex built with donations, mostly from hindu devotees. ‘‘ishwar and allah are same, so are ram and rahim, mahadev and adam. so why make a fuss? why fight in the name of religion when all lead to one goal?’’ patel asks. patel’s dedication to kasim dulah initially made him a social outcast. ‘‘i had to walk out of my home, face taunts and word was spread that nobody should speak to me or have any relation with me. but none of these stood the test of time because my conscience was clear. today, i am not only accepted but respected in society,’’ patel says. he has passed his values and beliefs to his two sons, deepak and roshan, who help their father at the dargah. many hindus living nearby help maintain the dargah and deter mobs from desecrating it during riots.

#117 by krishna_abcd on May 4, 2006 11:47pm PT

``I`d like to find out about your personal experiences, if that`s okay with you. I am especially interested in your views on job opportunities and similar related issues.

Would you mind giving me your email address?

Thanks

Ajeya/Ramanujan``

I am not sure if I can help you much on the job front because I don`t keep track of such stuff anymore as I am essentially retired not because of old age but because of circumstance (which is why I have lots of time to while away on Chowk). I am in Bangalore and, in general, there seem to be lots of opportunities going by the job classifieds in the papers which are starting to look more and more like those of the San Jose Mercury News Sunday edition, both in quality and quantity. My gut feeling is that anyone with reasonable experience in software would be snapped up in a flash (there are going to be 100,000 jobs created in IT this year alone). As far as quality of work, my wife worked in the IT industry as a HR director and her experiences were quite similar to those in a U.S. company.

Re: personal experience, what exactly would you like to know? I would like to answer them here to the best of my ability to help other people like you.

real appams (or hoppers as they call em there) are offcourse eaten in Kandy!

Re: # 131
[Nobody knows your driver, but they know me here:) But, yes, that too would get drooled by infant puke! ]

Hehehehehehe, or as Bob Cherry would have said ``ha ha ha``. Will email later.-)

#123 by FarzanaVersey

“Are you saying the poor are not enlightened? And you are wrong: there is no status hierarchy here. As per `pure` Islam (as opposed to the impure one I am supposedly born into), as women are not allowed into mosques, dargahs do serve a similar purpose. They also bring people from all communities to one place, as again non-Muslims are not permitted in mosques.”

The truth is I am not much in to this Dargah business. Couples of my visits to Sachal Sarmast and Shah Latif in Sindh were more for cultural reasons than any spiritual type of things. I don’t care about religions and religious symbols very much. To me superstition is only for non enlightened, poor or rich don’t matter.

So if I was wrong abt them, then I will accept that. Guess I have not seen enough adversity in my life to seek help from some dead fakirs who mostly never even had decent clothes and food in their “living” life.

“(as opposed to the impure one I am supposedly born into)”

This kind of bothers me. I have no interest in anyone’s religion whether it is better, pure or impure. I think Agha khanis are muslims because they say they are and that is enough for me. For the other person, we all know he is just another attention seeker and I am not going to worry abt what he says abt yours or my religion.

Let see if you like the change to this Shair:

Masjid tau Banaa di shab bhar main iman ki hararat waloon nay
Mun apna purna paapi thaa barsoon main “sharabi” bun na sakaa.

unkill ji
i didn`t know they were demolishing temples 200 years ago in gujarat. Did they teach that to you at the local shaka?

#129
Urstruly I did not see your post on 129 , it seems to have vanished, but if you are bugged about my post on your bete noire I am sorry. It was meant as a joke and I did not mean to offend.
Pax for now.

#127 by pmishra2 on May 5, 2006 6:45am PT

#127 pmishra2 sahib jii
Hi
It looks like I stepped on someone`s tail, OUCH..............it hurts, haaaan....Don`t you worry, I am here naaaa, will bring you ointment for your remedy........................

Thank you for your nice compliments about my compassionate lecture. I knew you will love my compassion b/c we are from the same genera, called humans. With no difference, same eyes, same heart, same body........................EXCEPT the only difference is mind and soul....My mind and soul does not belong to any barbaric culture that you emphasized in your post, my mind and soul are pure and they belong to a culture, called HUMANITY.
I know this word is extinct in today`s world dictionary.

My culture did not kill Hindus like butchers, My cultures did not destroy ancient Hindu and bhuddist temples, My culture did not massacre Hindus in any way. If Hindu got converted on their own will and adopted my culture seeing the compassionate deeds of my culture, that was their own free will, my culture did not go around and tell people to join me, my culture is so very attractive and humane that majority of Hindus left their cultures and joined my culture b/c my culture is HUMANITY.........................................

If, one or two Muslims destroy some Hindu statues, well I don`t admire that either. I made it very clear by defending Buddha`s demolition at the hands of some vampires, called Talibans........................

If you belong to a culture of a vampire called Modi, then it doesn`t mean that I will put you in the same shoes, may be you wish to change your culture which has had been killing innocent Muslims and which has had been demolishing religious places for their own bigot agendas. May be your mind and soul could be influenced by my compassionate lectures and you start adopting the real culture which is meant for all of us humans, called HUMANITY. which is beyond any religion, region, caste and creed.........................

How many Buddhist and Hindu temples were destroyed in my culture? None. How many Hindus were killed by my culture? None.

On the contrary, look at Modi butchering humans and their shrines for his Jihadi agenda.

#122 by harimau

{{{The end of secular democracy in India will make India into, gasp, a Hindu version of Pakistan? }}}

I just can`t wait!}}

harimau sahib
Please, make corrections. India is no more a secular democracy with all this massacre of innocent people along with their religious places.................India is just using name of democracy without employing true democracy.......................Sad.

On the contrary, Pakistan with all it`s misfortunes at the hands of dictators leading more towards a secular democracy, all Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu and Christian religious places are not only saved but are well respected, where all of these minorities enjoy their freedom with out having any fear of massacre by any Modi...........Thank you

[He was chased by a mob and burnt alive in his car when he was merely passing through a crossing.]

Is it possible that fire in his car was accidental fire? Is it possible that the 1500 were all muslims?

Re: # 138
{{My culture did not kill Hindus like butchers, My cultures did not destroy ancient Hindu and bhuddist temples, My culture did not massacre Hindus in any way. If Hindu got converted on their own will and adopted my culture seeing the compassionate deeds of my culture, that was their own free will, my culture did not go around and tell people to join me, my culture is so very attractive and humane that majority of Hindus left their cultures and joined my culture b/c my culture is HUMANITY......................................... }}


Were it not for Zeena ... this place would be so drab :)

Re: # 140

Looks like Zeena is on drugs... she is hallucinating...

By God and all that is holy!!! This might be the best piece of writing ever to grace our mediocre world. Never before have words been put together in such a way as to make an old man cry and babies jump with joy. As if god herself used Ms. Versey as the vehicle to pronounce her edict on communal relations in Gujarat. This article exceeds the sumtotal of human wisdom including the collective works of the greeks, romans and any and all literary figures ever to walk on this earth. I would venture to say, this goes beyond even this earth and if Aliens are reading this (I do not mean illegal kind or ET`s like Delhivala), then I have a message for them....``Bring it on, you extra-terrestrial vermin...we have FV and you DON`T``