Modi’s Men and their Mean Machines

Re: # 45
>>>>>Did the State protect the 35 Hindus killed in Kashmir just a few days ago?<<<<,

Harimau,
these 35 timid Hindus were unarmed and probably pleaded for their lives like lambs in a butcher shop

.... unlike the ``peaceful, innocent, tolerant`` Guj muslims for whom FV is whipping up tribal frenzy


and this goes around as secularism.....................

Re: # 45 by Harimau

``Did the State protect the 35 Hindus killed in Kashmir just a few days ago?``

No the State did not. But Sir, isn`t (wasn`t) Advani a very important component of what we call a State? What has (did) he done (do)? Didn`t Hindus die in bulk in Kashmir when he was the Home Minister? Please read Praveen Swami`s article in the Hindu (yesterday). Yes, Praveen is a good old Tamil Brahmin so you can read him.

``Or don`t Hindus count as human beings?``

No, common Hindu folks do not count. Just like the common Muslim folks do not count. How can you even ask such a trivial question?

``Where are all those Muslims expressing outrage such as HP, Urstruly, Mullah321, etc., who cry buckets when a single Muslim is killed in India? Are Hindus to be treated as they were in the 17th century by thugs called sultans?``

Sir, do we not know that all Muslims, especially Pakistani Muslims, are thugs and butchers? Why do we even ask these guys - you forgot FV (a wannabe Pakistani) - for support or sympathy? Why can`t we protect our own? Now do not tell me that Sudarshan was not given a chance. If he failed to get his party, the BJP, to do what he wanted them to do then Sir he is a bad politician. A nincompoop actually. He doesn`t deserve to be the head of the RSS. I simply do not understand why intelligent and honest people like you cannot throw him out of his position. I am sure the RSS cadre are not nincompoops....so I fail to understand why you cannot get rid of your nincompoop leadership.

As HP said in another board:

It is summer in India(Kashmir)...It is also fun time there...
Enjoy while it lasts...

Rgds,

Ferzana, how did you find out the name of the guy who was burnt in his car? I scanned several reports, and thery are very sketchy. Some even say a car was burnt and a man was thought to be burnt in it. Indian news media is notorious for not releasing religion of victims, so i am not too surprised about their coverage, so it must be your special sources.

This dargah was kinda expected to cause maximum trouble according to this yahoo article

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060501/48/63xbq.html

Salimbhai (since you also referred to me as Bhai):

Sorry I could not respond to you in the earlier thread. You had asked me about the Solapur riots. Here is the link. Pardon the long link since I don`t know how to do Hyperlinking on Chowk. I will give you the benefit of doubt and apologize if I offended you by calling you an Islamic fundamentalism appeaser.

Here is the link to the Solapur riots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2321749.stm

Around a similar timeframe, Miss World was to happen in Nigeria and there was protests from Islamists against holding it. A journalist jokingly remarked that if Mohammed was around he would be happy since he would get his choice of beautiful. Guess what Muslims attack Christians and hundreds killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2501893.stm

wtf should FV worry about demolition of a temple in malaysia? if you care, then hold a protest or something in front of malaysian embassy.

some of these demolitions are always full of political opportunism and indians need to be cognizant of it, thats what seems to her message in this article. this seems to be all staged, and IMO many parties gain from it, the muslim politicians, the BJP as well as the center govt.

Re: # 53 by jang on May 3, 2006 8:09pm PT
``wtf should FV worry about demolition of a temple in malaysia? if you care, then hold a protest or something in front of malaysian embassy.``

If Farzana and other Islamists can give a f**k and worry about Palestinian Muslims and what the ``slimy, evil`` Jews are doing to them and because of that we don`t have friendly and diplomatic relations with Israel for almost four decades then I certainly expect them to give a f**k about Malaysian Hindus as well when they are oppressed by Muslims. Israel never had any hostile relationship with India or sponsored terrorism against Indians or any such activity. It is because of the Muslim appeasement that we were not friendly with them for so many years.

Farzana ji

You need to check your facts before you write anything. VMC has demolished many temples too. Actually demolition started with four temples on April 3. Actually, there are more temples demolished then dargaahs and NO RIOTS ENSUED at that time.
Well legality of the structure is another issue. So, please refrain from obfuscating the issue. You know who started riots.

Regards

Re: # 19

I love Nagpur, shopping in Itwari, empress mills, gadde godam, i love that place.
WTF are u talking about weather in nagpur, it is perfect.

I love Kamtee and nagpur.

Re: # 19

I love Nagpur, shopping in Itwari, empress mills, gadde godam, i love that place.
WTF are u talking about weather in nagpur, it is perfect.

I love Kamtee and nagpur.

Re: # 19

I love Nagpur, shopping in Itwari, empress mills, gadde godam, i love that place.
WTF are u talking about weather in nagpur, it is perfect.

I love Kamtee and nagpur.

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I do not have special access to names and I am not responsible for ‘rumours’. It is all there in the media, both print and electronic. I am copying two reports in full because some people here think I have probably imagined this case…

‘The police asked us to go to Pakistan’
Vadodara residents relive 2002 nightmare

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Vadodara: Residents of the Ajwa Road area in Vadodara relived the nightmare of 2002 on Tuesday night as they were left to the mercy of two groups pelting stones at each other for nearly two hours.

Panic reached its pinnacle when a man was burnt alive by a mob. In desperation, many of them started sending out SMSes for help. “We tried calling the police for nearly two hours, but they only told us to go to Pakistan for help,’’ says Zubair Goplani, an activist and neighbour of the boy who was lynched. “Passing police vehicles refused to stop. By the time DCP Siddharth Khatri came, it was too late.’’

Retired deputy superintendent of police M I Pathan, who also stays in the area, said that he had never imagined that something like this could have taken place in his society. “I can say that the police has failed. I served the department for 35 years, but never saw anything like this. I have a licenced firearm, but it was of no use in this situation,’’ said the former policeman.

Mehmood Abdulgani Vohra, brother of the man who was burnt alive, claimed that a couple of police vehicles did pass from the area, but did little. “They cracked down on the mob only after my brother died,’’ Mehmood said.

Strict action to be taken against rioters: Modi

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

[ Wednesday, May 03, 2006 01:58:02 pmPTI ]
AHMEDABAD: Warning of strict action against those indulging in violence in Vadodara, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday appealed to people in the city to maintain peace.

``Some people with vested interests are unhappy with the manner in which the state was progressing and maintaining peace,`` Modi said.

Law enforcement agencies would take necessary steps to restore peace and normalcy at the earliest, he said in a statement.

Modi, presently in south Gujarat, is expected to visit the Vadodara on Wednesday afternoon to take stock of the situation.

Gujarat DGP P C Pande, state Home Minister Amit Shah and three senior IPS officers from Ahmedabad are already in Vadodara.

Six persons have been killed and over 60 injured in violence that broke out after a 200-year-old dargah was demolished in the city on Monday.


Please note Modi’s comment. If this is his idea of progress and peace, then one need not say more.

Thank you for your comments. Perhaps, now many of you would care to read the article? No? Okay, here is a rapid reader and the answers to some queries posed are very clear in the following quotes from the article itself…

Every illegal religious shrine ought to be demolished.

Having said this, I wish to know how a 200-year-old dargah qualifies as being ‘illegal’.

A 32-year-old man was burnt alive by a crowd of 1,500, two days after the demolition.

The others dead and injured are both Hindu and Muslim.

Is this a ‘modern look’?

Gujarat is becoming an experimental lab for proponents of the Hindu Rashtra.

Surely, we cannot bring in history on every occasion and most certainly not to justify the acts of elected leaders in a democracy.

The Vishwa Hindu Parishad has claimed that temples also get routinely demolished

I know it. I have been witness to one such incident over two years ago.

As a citizen, and a true Mumbaiite, I felt good that we were getting rid of structures that come up and impede normal life. I wanted this to happen to Muslim shrines (and they too were on the list) as well

I wish there was a provision to excommunicate such over-enthusiastic believers.

So, why am I protesting against the dargah demolition now? Because it is not a religious issue; it is a political one.

And the Muslim community and the caretakers were willing to let the authorities take away the adjoining ground area (it really is a small place). Why was that not considered?

The community in Gujarat has still not recovered from the 2002 carnage. The cases are still pending. How do such incidents help in the healing process?

Having realised that rath yatras are not making much of a dent and Varanasi was not willing to become a scapegoat, the saffron brigade is sticking to Gujarat.

Here we had two examples of ‘modern look’ -- the priests in Varanasi, and much as I dislike the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid his attitude at the time asking the community to maintain peace was certainly commendable.

Where were the moderate Muslim voices?

But these Muslims will remain silent because it is not a big issue. Instead, we will have some bearded fellows brought in

So, wake up, and ask why there were eight rounds fired and 78 tear gas shells thrown into the crowds. Where did the crowds come from? If discussions had already taken place, then why did such a situation arise at all?

Ask. If you don’t want the establishment to run rough-shod over people’s right to know.

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For the rest, South Asia is not just India, Pakistan, Bangladesh; we also have Nepal and Sri Lanka…so I ought to be commenting about everything that happens there too. But who would be interested? There is no ‘Muslim angle’ there…

Re. the massacre in J&K, it has already been decided what I feel; not only that, it has been stated clearly that even if I did comment, it would be ‘crocodile tears’.

I just wish to emphasise here that it is a pity that people here cannot differentiate between the acts of terrorists and the establishment. I have been saying this for years now.

However, should anyone wish to write about these subjects, they may do so.

Ref GT #49

[Please read Praveen Swami`s article in the Hindu (yesterday). Yes, Praveen is a good old Tamil Brahmin so you can read him.]

I read ``The Anti-Hindu`` only for its list of ``engagements`` to see if there are any concerts in Chennai that I would want to go to.

While the New Indian Express wrote a news item on how Dayanidhi (literally, ``Fund of Compassion``) Maran, the grand-nephew of DMK Supremo Karunanidhi (another ``Fund of Compassion``) attempted to blackmail Ratan Tata into handing over 33% of their Direct-to-Home satellite TV venture, it took the Anti-Hindu a couple of days to print something about it. So the Anti-Hindu is not the place if you want news. Considering that they have pimped one of the girls in the family to Dayanidhi Maran, you cannot expect anything different from them.

As to TamBrahms, they are the most guilt-ridden folks on earth so I refuse to read their prattles. If I want to read a TamBrahm, I would read ``Cho`` Ramaswamy. Or Gurumurthy.

#49 by GT on May 3, 2006 7:58pm PT


forgot FV (a wannabe Pakistani)


wannabe? More like always-has-been..