Modi’s Men and their Mean Machines

All the demolition was approved by state high court.
I believe that even after the riots state court told the officials to continue with their demolition drive. But supreme court has ordered halt to demolition now after center asking them to intervene.
BJP/Modi government should be praised for controlling the situation in 3 days. Its unfortunate that a father was killed by a mob and this mob should be brought to justice.

Its time government provides more firearms to police. Get away with lathi and give every havaldar an automatic weapon. These will truly bring the mob under control quickly.

Before we continue the mad tradition of TNT imposed upon us by the ``divide and rule`` British masters, let us all cool off and review the various situations rationally:

Killing of innocent Hindus in Kashmir (or anywhere else) is barbaric, cruel, premeditated, and deserves to be punished by a rapid and mighty assault on Jihadists and their known supporters. This is terrorism and the retribution meted out to Al-Kayda and Tally Ban is a correct model.

Demolition of historic buildings, whether to make room for Hindu temples, Muslim mosques, Jewish temples, parking lots, or highways needs to be accomplished through meticulous discussions with interested parties, historical societies, museums, and possibly even UNESCO. This is not a purely religious or communal issue - it`s a matter of preserving human culture and history. There is no need to rubber stamp such demolitions in haste.

People should have a right to demonstrate peacefully, express their views rationally, and lobby their elected representatives and rulers to support their causes.

When people use violence, destruction, and interference with others` rights, it is time for law and order to be imposed quickly and effectively with as little violence as possible to bring the situation back to ``normal.``

Tragic events such as terrorism, murder, arson, rape, and violence should not be used as ``extra points`` to intimidate, humiliate, or irritate your opponents who have nothing to do with that immoral, illegal and pernicious action. These acts have no religion, no language, no race, and certainly no nationality. We need to be forceful, determined, and just in our actions to stamp out this monstrosity from our midst.

Having said all this, let me be more specific:

Killing of a Hindu in reprisal for a Muslim death, or vice versa, is wrong, immoral, murderous, irrational, and moreover very stupid.

Putting on uniforms to identify with a religion, race, province, or nation and then using that uniform to selectively injure, kill, rape, or burn others who have different uniforms are also in the stupid category. People dressed in the same uniform as yours are not ALL your friends (in fact most of your real and personal enemies usually wear the same uniform as you). Conversely, just because some people wear a different uniform, they are not ALL your enemies (in fact you probably have nothing to do with most of them).

Blaming FV or even each other for the grotesque killings in Kashmir or the demolitions and deaths in Baroda is not going to solve anything. I can`t imagine too many people here will support that kind of murderous behavior.

Thank you for your understanding.

Khamkhwa #82 and HP #85

Congratulations on your appointments as self-appointed grantors of Muslimhood and Pakistani citizenship. So now Ismailis are no longer Muslim? First the Ahmedis, now the Ismailis, next the Asna Ashuri Shias, and pretty soon all Sunni Muslims, except for the very rabid Wahabbi Sunnis, will be ejected from this wonderful self-destructive religion. The matter would be very funny, if the GoP wasn`t actually engaged in such demagoguery.

As for Pakistani citizenship, I will refer all ``stranded`` Pakis in BD to Mr. HP to obtain his permission to be repatriated. I will also advise them not to hold their breaths as they wait patiently for his Paki and Muslim sense of justice. While you may not consider me to be a Pakistani, I will feel free to visit Karachi as often as I want. Too bad, neither of you gets a vote in this matter.

For your information, I never knew the word ``Punjoo.`` I learned it on Chowk after Mr. Stuka used it. I believe that Mr. Stuka is an Indian Punjabi and has no objection to the abbreviation.

Similarly, Paki means ``cleanliness`` in Urdu and Farsi. I can understand the objection that Mr. HP and, especially Khamkhwa, would have with ``cleanliness.`` Neither is close to God and both are neither Pak nor clean. If the British turned Paki into a bad word, why do Pakis pay so much attention to what the British tell them to do? Isn`t partitioning a united India, murdering thousands of people, and looting innocent Hindus and Sikhs enough to please their former masters?

samosa, what kind of temples are these? Century-old?

# 96 Salim said: ``Demolition of historic buildings............UNESCO``.
Baroda municipality got order from Gujarat High court to clear all the religious structure without any discrimination. The government officials held talk with respective communities and started the demolition drive on April 3rd. It removed 4 Hindu temples and on May 1st it removed dargah. The funny thing is that riots started only after dargah was demolished and not temples. It shot 2 protester while trying to control the rioters.
I would like to know how they could have handled this in a better way.

Now lets look at Congress reaction to Baroda riots and Kashmir Killings.
It has been reported that the Centre has given a `firm` message to Modi Government in Gujarat while what message does Gulam Nabi Azad get from government. NOTHING
After demolition of 4 temples and 1 dargah what does central government say: The Vadodara administration could have avoided demolition of a dargah in view of the people`s sentiments associated with the old shrine.
My question is why to avoid demolition of minority religioius structure and not of majority
Now SC is thrashing Gujarat High Court that their decision to demolished religious structure without discrimination was based on just news report.
What did SC rely when they transferred the court case from Gujarat courts to Maharashtra. What did they rely on. They relied on Media reports that the atmosphere in Gujarat was not conducive for those cases.

# 98
soysauce, you are fooling yourself if you believe that protest would not have happend if the dargah was 25 years old or even 5 years old.

Did the protest happen because it was a dargah or because it was 100 years old?

Ahmedabad Municipal Corporation has removed historic structure within the walled city and this includes parts of Jain temples which were more than 100 years old near the streets leading to Ahmedabad Railway station.

Completely different from the topic of demolishing old historic structure, I also would like to know whether any muslims protested when Saudi Arabia demolished the `home of the Prophet` in Mecca is to make way for a parking lot, two 50-storey hotel towers and seven 35-storey apartment blocks; a project

samosa, context my dear boy, context!
You were equating the demolition of dargah which probably has been around since before there was traffic as we know it with temples (i`m presuming here) that dot the footpath of any indian city. They are not the same.
If hundred-year old temples were removed forcibly and aggressively, along with hundred-year old dargahs or mosques i`d call that stupid. This one smells malicious and venal.

soysauce, you are looking for context when things are simple. And your presumption is wrong thus your context.
psuedo seculars like you who has different standards for treating a dargah and temples are the real culprit.
So, if 100 y.o. dargah needs to be removed we need to find a 100 y.o. temple.
Nothing was malicious or corruptible until a dargah was demolished.

Now SC stays the demolition drive in Baroda. The protester of Delhi demolition drive should learn from this. They need to riot and not just protest peacefully. If few people (minority) get killed there good changes that central government and SC will come to your aid.

Lets look how vile is English Media in India.
The front page headline on cnn-ibn:
MODI BULLDOZER HITS ROADBLOCK

What would FV say about this: I am just reporting what is reported in news.

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My advise to Supreme Court of India to change its name to Supreme Ulema Council and use Quran rather than consitution as their guideline while making any decisions.
It feels like we are living in Islamic Republic of India.
The SC verdict just proves that violence pays in India.

Re: # 91
> I happen to know there were Muslims soldiers in the Indian
> Army who died in Kashmir. My cousin`s company was there in the
> thick of the fighting. I`m proud to say they were one of us.
They were those instances of h0m0 islamus who were doing what they
were paid to do. Nothing more nothing less. There are numerous
of their kind in police forces. They are not doing this out of love or
some such shit. Heck, no one does a job out of love or because they
want to do it - ppl grab the first job that they can land thier hands
on ! Being an indian (i presume) u shud be know ing this.

> I once worked for a company that is owned by a Muslim, who`s provided
> employment to quite a few people in India. His wife used to do a
> lot of social work. I don`t see anybody questioning his Indian credentials.
You are giving me individual examples, when I am talking about this species.
Notice the pictures - the person in the middle is a h0m0 sapien. Yeah,
I know it is sometimes tough to make the difference (physically speaking).

> Perhaps you think our President is actually spying for Pakistan.
Thats the best you can do ?

> I have an aunt who`s Muslim. She has no problems coming to temples
> with us and performing aartis.
If indeed u have an aunt who does this ... then she is NOT a muslim.
Ask turly - he will throw up if he came to know of ur aunt.

> Our driver who was a Muslim when I lived in Bombay would light incense
> sticks at some roadside shrines when we used to drive down to Kerala every year.
$HIT.
You just made me realise. Islam is so fcukin peaceful !!!!
Must be us hinuds, xtians, sikhs, budhists, jews .....


> What makes your statement so different from the actions of the stupid
> Muslim and Hindu mobs?
Awww - u make it sound sooo cute :)

India is for everyone except Muslims - they got their own land 60 years
ago. They have a duty to go there (if they have any shame, that is).

The more I see and hear your kind of secularists, the more I loose inhibition towards
using violence as a means.

Ref Asli-Masanamuthu #98

[samosa, what kind of temples are these? Century-old?]

Since you don`t know any history except the bogus kind written by the Dravidian parties, you would not know that there is NO possibility of any ancient temples in Northern India since they were all demolished to make room for mosques, imambaras and dargahs.

Have you considered the possibility of a brain transplant for yourself?

i wonder if there are many 300 year old temples in baroda state..

Re: # 106

Wiseguyin

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1) Sure then you shouldn`t weep over any Indian soldiers. None of them deserve any medals. That is why folks make money out of Indian soldiers coffins. Takes guts to sit on a terminal log into chowk and explain away deaths by saying they were paid to do it. So please don`t take any pride in our forces the next time there is another Kargil.

2) Indivduals make a species my friend. Or perhaps you should go back and learn classification and biology. I`ve never seen a species that exists without individuals.

3) Well you don`t have any answers for number 3.

4) Again it`s I presume urstruly. I`m sure my aunt and I don`t need his approval. Perhaps you do.

5) Well I`ve never seen any peaceful religion yet, Yes some are more prone to violence than others. Heard about some really nice Catholics in Europe. They managed to kill 6 million jews. I`ve heard about some Muslims called Turks too. Killed around 1 million Armenians. Now Hindus were too busy killing each other. You`ve got to call a spade a spade. Buddhists ,see what the Sri Lankan army is doing. Or look at the Japanese and the rape of Nanking. All your religions are rotten, and all of them are false, because people make them so. You could try to make them better. Oh by the way that includes Marxism.

6) I see you can ape the soap operas on TV well.

7) Must be a different India you live in then. I was under the impression India was for Indians.

8) Do you know what secularism means kiddo? It means that the religion does not interfere in the affairs of the state. Get it. So you can take all your religions and lump it. I suppose you couldn`t live with that crutch. Take a leaf out of Bharaths book. You`ll do well to listen to him or Mohar or Arjun. They make sense. You don`t. And while you are at it please do learn to spell ``lose``.

Now good night, sleep on it and think of indulging in civilised debate. And if I have offended you personally I apologise. If I have offended your ideas, then its good, because I don`t quite care for them.

Re: # 109
it is useless to talk to good hearted ppl like u - totally lost in ur own dream world ...
with time, we will see who was right...
by the way I did find one useful nugget in your post - the spelling :)
thanks

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