A Failing State in a State of Denial

So you now pretending you did not understand what Izzat or asmat means? it can`t get any better in Lucknowvi urdu.. or you like poorbi better...

#158, I think that you are now bluffing. If you don`t know about Baramula and the effect it had on the Vale, then don`t change the subject to Jaipur. All was fine and peaceful there. Delhi was another matter. Not only do I remember Jaipur, but I have been there several times in my life.

Nowadays, I would feel safer in Jaipur, Lucknow, or Delhi than in Sukkur, LaRkana, Khairpur, or Jacobabad.

Still like verbal insults or need more...One should never get carried away to say things that can come back to haunt...At your age ,you need to think before you write...

Don`t know...many came to Pak after izzat aur asmat was taken away in delhi and Jaipur..

Remember Jaipur!

HP #156, {``With mother Theresa hanging out on chowk (see #154) without her usual attire, or no attire, it is better to bolt before someone starts ripping into the old sack. ``}

HP,
Back to your old Paki obsession with raping nuns? The last time it cost you guys the Vale of Kashmir. Remember Baramula?

#155 by rf786
“On these fine notes of cordiality, we should bid this thread adieu.....”

With mother Theresa hanging out on chowk (see #154) without her usual attire, or no attire, it is better to bolt before someone starts ripping into the old sack.

On these fine notes of cordiality, we should bid this thread adieu.....

Mohar11 #151 {``I don`t know why you pakis are hung up on ethnic names... so what somebody called you punjoo or biharoo or bangoo... you guys need to grow up...``}

Mohar Bhai,
You stated the problem very accurately. For some reason, in Pakistan perception is taken more seriously than reality - especially if the perception involves public humiliation. For example, murder is not as bad as being yelled at in public. Rape is not as bad as verbal abuse. Crusades are not as bad as cartoons. War is not as bad as ``tauheen.`` Acting like a Punjabi is not as bad as being called a ``PUnjoo.`` You are right, Pakistanis need to grow up and take reality more seriously than mere words.

``The reason I want to have the ``biharis`` (I prefer to call them ``stranded`` Pakistanis) repatriated is that they have suffered for so long and their continued ordeal is a ``laanat`` on the rest of Pakistan. Also, it negates Pakistan`s rhetoric about Kashmiri suffering......``(Salim)

couldn`t be said any better.....that`s why the Valley will never move even an inch from where it is right now.....once is enough.....dhoodh ka jalaa won`t touch even a chaach with a ten feet pole......Musharraf or no Musharraf.

Zeerak Sahib,
I have noticed a love/hate attitude of Afghans toward Pakistan. I can understand why you would agree with the prospect of Pakistan becoming a real failed state. After all, Pakistan, through its uncontrolled intelligence agency, has meddled much more than necessary, and not enough to help, in Afghanistan. Yes, Pakistan took in millions of Afghan refugees and yes it provided food, shelter, and clothing to many of these displaced brethren. That was the good part. The bad part was the way Pakistanis treated their fellow humans in their hour of desperation. It doesn`t make sense to give water to a thirsty person and then spit on his head while doing so.

Also, during the tragic civil wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan kept supporting revolving sets of ``allies,`` from Mujahideen to Tally Ban, and from Rabbani to Mullah Omar. Pakistan turned off the Tajiks, Hazaras, and Uzbeks by its ethnically-motivated support for the Pakhtuns. Having said all that, I would advise that it is better for Afghanistan to help Pakistan bring peace and tranquility to this area. A strong and economically-vibrant Pakistan is very good for Afghans and the oppostie is bound to hurt Afghanistan in many ways, starting with mere osmosis.

I just see Abdullah Abdullah, the ex-foreign minister`s face, and I see more hatred of Pakistan than any red-blooded right-wing Indian on Chowk. Why?

Re: # 148 echo
[...They didn`t call you mohajiroo or Biharoo. ...]

``Biharoo`` would actually be an improvement :)....

In my college - we used have a silly game for freshers - ``guess my state[which state I come from]``.... the standing instruction was - never start the guess from bihar..... if the senior was not from bihar then you are going to get it good :))... if he was from bihar - then also you will get it :).... Bihari was bu!tt of all jokes ..... Of course - it was just jokes - and taken in right spirit....

I don`t know why you pakis are hung up on ethnic names... so what somebody called you punjoo or biharoo or bangoo... you guys need to grow up...

Echoboom {``You are a good sport. You know how to take it on the chin & with HP your chat is fun to read.
But no calling names like Panjoo etc. They didn`t call you mohajiroo or Biharoo.
P.S: One full-throated L`aanut on MQM-goons & Altaf would help your cause a lot.``}

Echo Sahib,
Marham Patti ka bohot bohot shukriya. I am glad that you enjoyed our friendly dialogue. :)
I don`t mean ``Panjoo`` as a slur. I learned this on Chowk from Stuka, who uses this abbreviation himself - and he is a Punjabi. As for Biharoo, I don`t mind - seeing that I am not Bihari. But I consider myself a Mohajir and adding a few vowels to a mohajir`s posterior may not be all that bad - kind of like the oooo sound girls make when they see celebrities.

I have no unconditional loyalty or debt to MQM or even Altaf Payee or Aamir Khan, especially the violence they perpetrated against each other in a bitter, violent, and bloody civil war. I do not approve of protection rackets, extortion, or cult worship. I detest jingoism, provincialism, ethnic hatred, preferential treatment, sifarish, corruption, and hypocrisy. The reason that many Mohajirs gather around the MQM is that it is the ONLY organization that has dared to speak up for them. The reason I want to have the ``biharis`` (I prefer to call them ``stranded`` Pakistanis) repatriated is that they have suffered for so long and their continued ordeal is a ``laanat`` on the rest of Pakistan. Also, it negates Pakistan`s rhetoric about Kashmiri suffering and Palestinian homelessness. Thanks.

Mohar11 #147, {``OK - then why do you pakis ``steal`` afgan heroes?... if you pakis are so better than afganis - why can`t you guys find your own heroes?.... :))))``}

Mohar Bhayya,
Do you think that Yusuf Khan, Amjad Khan, Madhubala Khan, Feroj Khan, Sanjay Khan, Kader Khan, Aamir Khan, Salman Khan, Parveen ``Babi`` Khan, Saroj Khan, Farah Khan, Zayed Khan, Sohail Khan, and Hritik Khan (by injection) are all Afghans? NOTE: Amjad Khan was never a hero. :)

We did have a hero. Nadeem. The sucker got too old over the years.

Salim_Chauhan:


You are a good sport. You know how to take it on the chin & with HP your chat is fun to read.

But no calling names like Panjoo etc. They didn`t call you mohajiroo or Biharoo.


P.S: One full-throated L`aanut on MQM-goons & Altaf would help your cause a lot.

[...There is absolutely no comparsion between Afghanistan and Pakistan....]

OK - then why do you pakis ``steal`` afgan heroes?... if you pakis are so better than afganis - why can`t you guys find your own heroes?.... :))))

rf786 #106, {``Totally agree with you, like I said we have our share of morons, on many other places I have expressed the same feelings such as yours on this subject and will fully endorse anyone who defends the right of Biharis to call themselves Pakistani. ``}

Rf Bhai,
Thank you for your sincere and convincing response. I agree with your viewpoints and appreciate your thoughtful and polite manner in which you discuss them. I don`t think that Pakistani is yet a failed state, but it sure looks headed in that direction. I just wish that our Punjabi elite recognizes this looming catastrophe before it`s too late. They have to put an end to their selfish, myopic, and violent ways and join the rest of the nation in solving problems and moving forward. Guns and violence caused disastrous results in East Pak and they will prove to be the wrong tools here too. Thanks.