The Purdah Police
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#55 Posted by Zeena on May 20, 2006 10:57:27 pm
#50 by hamidm2
Dear hamdim2 sahib
You wrote:-a):- {{it is what it is even if you don`t know what is is ...}}}
My answer to this is , Islam is a belief/religion which is your personal/private issue. It has got nothing to do with what you know or what you do not know.
It has got nothing to do with what you say about Islam. And for your kind information I have an absolutely CLEAR idea about what Islam is. If you yourself don`t know what Islam is, then you have the problem NOT me.
You wrote:-b):-{{{ but you must admit that something is what it is, and just hoping that it isn`t wat it appears to be doesn`t make it what you wish for it to be ............ is that too confusing ?........... maybe it is - after all, i have been a muslim for almost fifty years and still don`t know what is islam}}}}
My answer to this is , If you have a CONFUSION about Islam then do not PROJECT or do not use projection defense mechanism on others. And stop your illusions that others also are exactly like you that they do not know what Islam is.
I do not have any CONFUSION about my religion/belief Islam. And believe me if I have a little bit of doubt about what Islam or if I am confused about my own belief then I will leave my religion, I will say bye bye to my religion or belief. Then there is NO reason for me to be called Muslim.
I am Muslim with NO doubt in my mind about my religion Islam, which is as pure and simple as a new born child.
Let me brief my religion Islam to you which is crystal clear.
#1 :- First of all Islam is my personal/private prerogative. I do not believe in advertisement of being Muslim or being from any religion. (When I talk about Islam, it means I am talking about all religions in general and Islam in particular, b/c you brought Islam in to this discussion. My Islam is between My GOD and me. It has got nothing to do with you, with others and with Mullahs.
#2:- Mullahs are not owner of Islam or Islam is not their property. Islam is my own personal spiritual peace that I find a link between me and GOD. I hate Mullahs b/c they have made a new cult which they name Islam with new rules, with new and false Hadiths, with convoluted meanings of Quran to satisfy their own IGNORANCE, to satisfy their own devilish minds without spirit, without depths. They have created a havoc and confusion about Islam just to mislead innocent people to make them puppets who can dance to their own tunes.
#3:- I believe in five pillars of Islam,{{ roza, namaz, zakat, hajj, kalma.}}. Yes, indeed.
#4:- I believe in all the best qualities of a good human beings mentioned in Quran(which are 0% in these Mullahs).
#5:- I recite Quran myself and then think and re think for the meaning of it`s various verses, always I come up with the right answer. My mind with the honesty of my soul leads me to the right direction where GOD wishes us to be. NOT the way of these Mullahs.
#6:- I do not believe in Hadiths, so I do not read them. They create confusion b/c majority of them are false made by these devilish mullahs.
#7:- At the end Islam is for all the humanity of the world. Islam is about being a nice person. If you are a nice person, you are Muslim/ Hindu/Christian/jew whatever all these religions teach us to be good humans. Islam is based on LOVE of humanity. If you are nice person, you do not need to be confused, you are a good Muslim.
#8:- I do not believe in Sharia. Sharia is another curse which is just an abuse of Islam.
You see, I am not confused about my religion. I am hardworking, nice, honest, law abiding, with good character person. That is exactly what Islam is..........So, I am the superMuslim.
If you have some confusion about your own religion, then you should leave Islam and stop calling yourself Muslim.
Thank you
Dear hamdim2 sahib
You wrote:-a):- {{it is what it is even if you don`t know what is is ...}}}
My answer to this is , Islam is a belief/religion which is your personal/private issue. It has got nothing to do with what you know or what you do not know.
It has got nothing to do with what you say about Islam. And for your kind information I have an absolutely CLEAR idea about what Islam is. If you yourself don`t know what Islam is, then you have the problem NOT me.
You wrote:-b):-{{{ but you must admit that something is what it is, and just hoping that it isn`t wat it appears to be doesn`t make it what you wish for it to be ............ is that too confusing ?........... maybe it is - after all, i have been a muslim for almost fifty years and still don`t know what is islam}}}}
My answer to this is , If you have a CONFUSION about Islam then do not PROJECT or do not use projection defense mechanism on others. And stop your illusions that others also are exactly like you that they do not know what Islam is.
I do not have any CONFUSION about my religion/belief Islam. And believe me if I have a little bit of doubt about what Islam or if I am confused about my own belief then I will leave my religion, I will say bye bye to my religion or belief. Then there is NO reason for me to be called Muslim.
I am Muslim with NO doubt in my mind about my religion Islam, which is as pure and simple as a new born child.
Let me brief my religion Islam to you which is crystal clear.
#1 :- First of all Islam is my personal/private prerogative. I do not believe in advertisement of being Muslim or being from any religion. (When I talk about Islam, it means I am talking about all religions in general and Islam in particular, b/c you brought Islam in to this discussion. My Islam is between My GOD and me. It has got nothing to do with you, with others and with Mullahs.
#2:- Mullahs are not owner of Islam or Islam is not their property. Islam is my own personal spiritual peace that I find a link between me and GOD. I hate Mullahs b/c they have made a new cult which they name Islam with new rules, with new and false Hadiths, with convoluted meanings of Quran to satisfy their own IGNORANCE, to satisfy their own devilish minds without spirit, without depths. They have created a havoc and confusion about Islam just to mislead innocent people to make them puppets who can dance to their own tunes.
#3:- I believe in five pillars of Islam,{{ roza, namaz, zakat, hajj, kalma.}}. Yes, indeed.
#4:- I believe in all the best qualities of a good human beings mentioned in Quran(which are 0% in these Mullahs).
#5:- I recite Quran myself and then think and re think for the meaning of it`s various verses, always I come up with the right answer. My mind with the honesty of my soul leads me to the right direction where GOD wishes us to be. NOT the way of these Mullahs.
#6:- I do not believe in Hadiths, so I do not read them. They create confusion b/c majority of them are false made by these devilish mullahs.
#7:- At the end Islam is for all the humanity of the world. Islam is about being a nice person. If you are a nice person, you are Muslim/ Hindu/Christian/jew whatever all these religions teach us to be good humans. Islam is based on LOVE of humanity. If you are nice person, you do not need to be confused, you are a good Muslim.
#8:- I do not believe in Sharia. Sharia is another curse which is just an abuse of Islam.
You see, I am not confused about my religion. I am hardworking, nice, honest, law abiding, with good character person. That is exactly what Islam is..........So, I am the superMuslim.
If you have some confusion about your own religion, then you should leave Islam and stop calling yourself Muslim.
Thank you
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#54 Posted by arjun_m on May 20, 2006 8:19:38 pm
#49 by ammara.chaudhry on May 20, 2006 10:59am PT
As I said in My earleir post, that many people here just talk about islam without opening the Quran or the Hadith.
Perhaps it`s because people have a problem with the actions of muslims as opposed to islam..regardless of what islam or the koran teaches, people go by the actions of muslims..either islam tells them to do all the ``things`` or a vast majority of muslims aren`t followers of Islam..
I think people look at saudi arabia, the land of the guardian of islam`s holiest places, and make up their minds..
As I said in My earleir post, that many people here just talk about islam without opening the Quran or the Hadith.
Perhaps it`s because people have a problem with the actions of muslims as opposed to islam..regardless of what islam or the koran teaches, people go by the actions of muslims..either islam tells them to do all the ``things`` or a vast majority of muslims aren`t followers of Islam..
I think people look at saudi arabia, the land of the guardian of islam`s holiest places, and make up their minds..
#53 Posted by wiseguyin on May 20, 2006 3:38:21 pm
Re: # 49
> So with a very sincere heart, take my advise and try meet and get to know Islam with an
> unbiased mind
Done. Can we meet now ?
> So with a very sincere heart, take my advise and try meet and get to know Islam with an
> unbiased mind
Done. Can we meet now ?
#52 Posted by alert on May 20, 2006 1:02:33 pm
It is clear that all organised religions were created by smart human beings, kings and kingdoms and they did it in order to strengthen their kingdoms and to control human masses.
This piece of research tells us that Islam was created by Roman Catholics and Vatican and I believe that prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was NOT an illiterate person and he could read and he spent lot of time in the company of Roman catholic scholars.
Hazrat Warqa bin Nofil who was cousin of Hazrat Khadija (ra) was a great Roman catholic scholar who could READ and WRITE hebrew and Arabic in those days and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) spent lot of time in his company.
Let us see What this Guy Alberto says about the theory that Islam was created by Smart Roman Catholic minds of Vatican, he says:
``The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:
`A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad`s advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
`Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his ``great calling.`` The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.
`While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.
`Muhammad began receiving ``divine revelations`` and his wife`s Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad`s mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba. ..........................
Here is the link for further study,
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/745/42/
This piece of research tells us that Islam was created by Roman Catholics and Vatican and I believe that prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was NOT an illiterate person and he could read and he spent lot of time in the company of Roman catholic scholars.
Hazrat Warqa bin Nofil who was cousin of Hazrat Khadija (ra) was a great Roman catholic scholar who could READ and WRITE hebrew and Arabic in those days and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) spent lot of time in his company.
Let us see What this Guy Alberto says about the theory that Islam was created by Smart Roman Catholic minds of Vatican, he says:
``The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:
`A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad`s advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
`Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his ``great calling.`` The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.
`While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.
`Muhammad began receiving ``divine revelations`` and his wife`s Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad`s mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba. ..........................
Here is the link for further study,
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/745/42/
#51 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2006 11:53:25 am
Re: # 49
[...get to know Islam with an unbiased mind...]
Granted... and then what? even if I become the biggest ``scholar`` in islam - how does that help you muslims?... you guys would still be segregating women and doing other stuff that you are doing...
I mean - it isn`t as if there are ever any dearth of people who know islam inside out[or so they claim]... over the centuries - millions of saints, sufis, maulanas, mullahs have come and gone - yet, islam and muslims stay exactly where they are - mired in backwardness, orthodoxy, blind religiosity...
The issue here is muslim backwardness which directly follows from the religion they follow -because, as you said - islam is a way of life and that ``way of life`` has basically led people to where they are today...
Keep your eye on the ball...and you will understand what we are talking about here... there is no contradiction whatsover...
[...get to know Islam with an unbiased mind...]
Granted... and then what? even if I become the biggest ``scholar`` in islam - how does that help you muslims?... you guys would still be segregating women and doing other stuff that you are doing...
I mean - it isn`t as if there are ever any dearth of people who know islam inside out[or so they claim]... over the centuries - millions of saints, sufis, maulanas, mullahs have come and gone - yet, islam and muslims stay exactly where they are - mired in backwardness, orthodoxy, blind religiosity...
The issue here is muslim backwardness which directly follows from the religion they follow -because, as you said - islam is a way of life and that ``way of life`` has basically led people to where they are today...
Keep your eye on the ball...and you will understand what we are talking about here... there is no contradiction whatsover...
#50 Posted by hamidm2 on May 20, 2006 11:28:27 am
Re: # 46
zeena,
................... it is what it is even if you don`t know what is is ...
...... if, as you say, there is no such thing as ``muslim society`` and the arab culture has ``got nothing to do with Islam or religion`` and what the ``stupid Mullahs relate them to Islam`` is not islam, then what the heck IS islam ?.............
..... now please don`t give me the clintonesque ``what is, is`` answer ........ the truth is we don`t know what is is and therfore some might conclude that it is nothing but a lot of goobeldygook........but you must admit that smothing is what it is, and just hoping that it isn`t wat it appears to be doesn`t make it what you wish for it to be ............ is that too confusing ?........... maybe it is - after all, i have been a muslim for almost fifty years and still don`t know what is islam ...... and trust me i have looked high and low in the koran and the hadith to find what it is all about .......... in the end i have concluded that what is, is and we will just have to live with it ....... i know that sounds terribly defeatist but, not to repeat myslef, it is what it is ..........
zeena,
................... it is what it is even if you don`t know what is is ...
...... if, as you say, there is no such thing as ``muslim society`` and the arab culture has ``got nothing to do with Islam or religion`` and what the ``stupid Mullahs relate them to Islam`` is not islam, then what the heck IS islam ?.............
..... now please don`t give me the clintonesque ``what is, is`` answer ........ the truth is we don`t know what is is and therfore some might conclude that it is nothing but a lot of goobeldygook........but you must admit that smothing is what it is, and just hoping that it isn`t wat it appears to be doesn`t make it what you wish for it to be ............ is that too confusing ?........... maybe it is - after all, i have been a muslim for almost fifty years and still don`t know what is islam ...... and trust me i have looked high and low in the koran and the hadith to find what it is all about .......... in the end i have concluded that what is, is and we will just have to live with it ....... i know that sounds terribly defeatist but, not to repeat myslef, it is what it is ..........
#49 Posted by ammara.chaudhry on May 20, 2006 10:59:09 am
Mohar,
As I said in My earleir post, that many people here just talk about islam without opening the Quran or the Hadith. If people can climb over the fense of illusions that they have built around them, they might see what is out in the world.
I hate bringing Islam or n e other religion in my discussions because i believe any religion is nothing but a belief, hope and a way of living the life. If Islam works for ppl they r welcome to become a muslim. If they think Jesus christ can show them the light or Geeta is the ultimate book of perfection go for it.
I think you have beent he most contradicting person in the discussion. So with a very sincere heart, take my advise and try meet and get to know Islam with an unbiased mind. Trust me it will break many barriers and vanish many illusions.
As I said in My earleir post, that many people here just talk about islam without opening the Quran or the Hadith. If people can climb over the fense of illusions that they have built around them, they might see what is out in the world.
I hate bringing Islam or n e other religion in my discussions because i believe any religion is nothing but a belief, hope and a way of living the life. If Islam works for ppl they r welcome to become a muslim. If they think Jesus christ can show them the light or Geeta is the ultimate book of perfection go for it.
I think you have beent he most contradicting person in the discussion. So with a very sincere heart, take my advise and try meet and get to know Islam with an unbiased mind. Trust me it will break many barriers and vanish many illusions.
#48 Posted by ammara.chaudhry on May 20, 2006 10:41:33 am
Yo.. no offense to n e one out there.. but Why is everyone getting so personal in the discussion. It seems like... many people who are writing here seem to be insecure about their position. I mean, why do we have to fight over religion. If after all the schooling and the intellectual discussions, we r still going to cry over the difference of belief, i think we don`t deserve to be here.
Ammara
Ammara
#47 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2006 9:55:07 am
Re: # 46
[..I really laugh at some biased Hindus when they target Islam with their won narrowminded approach........with out even knowing any ABCS of real Islam.]
Oh yeah - the real Islam... we have been hearing about this magical beast called ``real islam`` for quite sometime now... nobody has seen it yet... :)....
So you can believe in magical beasts and laugh your heart out... the joke is actually on you :)...
[..I really laugh at some biased Hindus when they target Islam with their won narrowminded approach........with out even knowing any ABCS of real Islam.]
Oh yeah - the real Islam... we have been hearing about this magical beast called ``real islam`` for quite sometime now... nobody has seen it yet... :)....
So you can believe in magical beasts and laugh your heart out... the joke is actually on you :)...
#46 Posted by Zeena on May 20, 2006 9:37:11 am
RE:- #44
mohar11
BTW, what do you know about Islam? Just based on some false Hadiths and misinterpretations and convolutions of Quran.
Who has made you authority on Islam out of all people?
You better wake up and make sense.
Stop these moronish posts that gives nothing but more confusion.
You sound like a broken record fixed on one point..............
Which Muslim society?
There is no such thing as Muslim society.....Yes, there is culture which is not muslim.
Arabs have their own cutlure....bad or good it is. It has got nothing to do with Islam or religion.......
Pakistanies, Indians, iranies, and so on.....All particular regions have their own cultural customs which are never mentioned in Quran.
If, some stupid Mullahs relate them to Islam. It means NOTHING.
I really laugh at some biased Hindus when they target Islam with their won narrowminded approach........with out even knowing any ABCS of real Islam.
They and their biased approach towards Islam or any religion reminds me of those moronish Pseudo Mullahs who make NO sense, who have no idea what they are talking about. Who are stuck on one thing and that is their own insecurity and narrowminded approach.........................
Wake up and clear your mind ....You are too, confused. Thank you
mohar11
BTW, what do you know about Islam? Just based on some false Hadiths and misinterpretations and convolutions of Quran.
Who has made you authority on Islam out of all people?
You better wake up and make sense.
Stop these moronish posts that gives nothing but more confusion.
You sound like a broken record fixed on one point..............
Which Muslim society?
There is no such thing as Muslim society.....Yes, there is culture which is not muslim.
Arabs have their own cutlure....bad or good it is. It has got nothing to do with Islam or religion.......
Pakistanies, Indians, iranies, and so on.....All particular regions have their own cultural customs which are never mentioned in Quran.
If, some stupid Mullahs relate them to Islam. It means NOTHING.
I really laugh at some biased Hindus when they target Islam with their won narrowminded approach........with out even knowing any ABCS of real Islam.
They and their biased approach towards Islam or any religion reminds me of those moronish Pseudo Mullahs who make NO sense, who have no idea what they are talking about. Who are stuck on one thing and that is their own insecurity and narrowminded approach.........................
Wake up and clear your mind ....You are too, confused. Thank you
#45 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2006 9:27:01 am
Re: # 43 hamid
OK, then - let`s make the book irrelevant - a trophy to be admired as a gift from the gabriel but never to be consulted for anything... that may work...
Otherwise it`s immposible to take even the first step towards reformation... anytime somebody takes up an muslim social issue - immediately a bunch of people pull their books and start regurgitating same old tired arguments: this is real islam, that is not islam, koran is authentic, hadith is not... then everybody just jumps into the mud pit and pelt each other with generous dollops of religious monkey-poop...
at the end of the day - everybody comes out looking ridiculous... The real issues are left unattended as they have been for centuries now.
OK, then - let`s make the book irrelevant - a trophy to be admired as a gift from the gabriel but never to be consulted for anything... that may work...
Otherwise it`s immposible to take even the first step towards reformation... anytime somebody takes up an muslim social issue - immediately a bunch of people pull their books and start regurgitating same old tired arguments: this is real islam, that is not islam, koran is authentic, hadith is not... then everybody just jumps into the mud pit and pelt each other with generous dollops of religious monkey-poop...
at the end of the day - everybody comes out looking ridiculous... The real issues are left unattended as they have been for centuries now.
#44 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2006 9:10:49 am
Re: # 38 zeena
[....I STRONGLY BELIEVE purdah is absolutely NOT related to Islam...]
I strongly believe in tooth fairy... I strongly believe I can sell brooklyn bridge for a million bucks... You can believe what you want - the reality is what it is... gender discrimination is in-built in islam - in the book, outside the book, in hadith, in culture - it don`t matter... it`s an evil that has to be eliminated for muslim socities to progress - splitting hairs ain`t going to help...
I strongly believe caste system absolutely not related to hinduism... I believe sati system was just a two-for-one discount funeral service... such statements are absurd... and counter-productive...
Wake up...
[....I STRONGLY BELIEVE purdah is absolutely NOT related to Islam...]
I strongly believe in tooth fairy... I strongly believe I can sell brooklyn bridge for a million bucks... You can believe what you want - the reality is what it is... gender discrimination is in-built in islam - in the book, outside the book, in hadith, in culture - it don`t matter... it`s an evil that has to be eliminated for muslim socities to progress - splitting hairs ain`t going to help...
I strongly believe caste system absolutely not related to hinduism... I believe sati system was just a two-for-one discount funeral service... such statements are absurd... and counter-productive...
Wake up...
#43 Posted by hamidm2 on May 20, 2006 9:01:45 am
Re: # 42
mohar,
..... i would agree with you but for the fact that other religions like judaism and christianity have managed to move on without banning their books which are equally hateful of women ........ even the horrible hindoos have stopped burning widows and started burning missionaries instead .(it is a pleasent change).......
........ today this problem is peculiar to islam and the muslims ....... therefore we must find the root cause in order to fix it ......
...... the turks did the right thing as a short term fix, but i don`t think it is a permanent cure .......
mohar,
..... i would agree with you but for the fact that other religions like judaism and christianity have managed to move on without banning their books which are equally hateful of women ........ even the horrible hindoos have stopped burning widows and started burning missionaries instead .(it is a pleasent change).......
........ today this problem is peculiar to islam and the muslims ....... therefore we must find the root cause in order to fix it ......
...... the turks did the right thing as a short term fix, but i don`t think it is a permanent cure .......
#42 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2006 8:50:11 am
Re: # 41
It`s The Book stupid :)... quran, hadith and whatever other ``revelations`` people have been reading and memorizing for centuries - it all comes from there....
The turks have shown the way - banning hijab outright... the next step, ban the book...
It`s The Book stupid :)... quran, hadith and whatever other ``revelations`` people have been reading and memorizing for centuries - it all comes from there....
The turks have shown the way - banning hijab outright... the next step, ban the book...
#41 Posted by hamidm2 on May 20, 2006 8:34:33 am
the root cause ...........
...... i would still like to get to the root of this problem - why are muslim men so afraid of women ?....... is it because they are easily aroused and then suffer from feelings of guilt ?........ is it because they are insecure and bossing women around makes them feel good about themselves ?........ is it because since they have been beaten in every field of human endeavour by western men, they are frustrated and take it out on their women ?.........is it because they are inherently misogynistic ?......... is it because they hate their mothers ?........ is it vagina envy ?........
........... if it is not any of the above, what the heck is it then ?! ........ i think we need to get to the root cause so we can fix it instead of complaining about trivial things like women being segregated at weddings ............
...... but this is an okay article and the author has done a good job of describing one of the symptoms of this disease fairly well .............
#40 Posted by sshw on May 20, 2006 7:58:32 am
I`m the author of this piece...thank you everyone for taking the time to read and respond (aside from that one individual with a single post whose expression of ignorance and hate is pitiful).
I`ll respond to some of you here:
Ballu Khan #8 - interesting analysis...I can`t disagree with you
rkhan#15 re: pick up Quran - great advice; it is the greatest travesty of contemporary times that the Qur`an has been neglected and people are following an array of made-up tales. The reference books (Hadith) are good to refer to, in an objective manner, for matters relating to that which has already been mentioned in the Miraculous Qur`an. Naturally, the authenticity can never be assured 100%, but I believe anyone with some knowledge can generally ``filter`` it.
Oak #13 re: ``Beware of making what is permitted haram - as this is the way of the Ahl-e-Kitab`` - excellent point
Kulharee #16 - as much as I condemn the killing of the judge, I also can never support the unfair hijab-ban (it`s not just purdah ban) in Turkey. Women should have the freedom to wear hijabs if they so wish in any country, and to forcefully disallow that is ridiculously wrong.
Ammara.Chaudhry #20 - fair points by Ammara all throughout...except for the fact that I`m not a member of the female gender... :)
Mohar11 #25 - there are all kinds of Muslim weddings that occur in North America...and from what I hear, it seems that ``back-home`` ones are way more ``modern`` in extravagance and lavish than the ones here. Quite frankly, as much as I dislike the dry Purdah Police ones, I`d still prefer them over the drinking & dancing ones that occasionally happen, mostly in desi hubs like Toronto, Houston, etc.
Why can`t people have normal, balanced, traditional ones...they`re so much fun!
Ammara.Chaudhry #27 - agree with Ammara; escapist is not being aggressive...it`s good to have someone like him post his points, just like everyone else. The more exchange there is, the better the possibility of the outcome.
Zeena #38 - I whole-heartedly agree with your post! I think you really caught what I feel to the T. The only thing is, I don`t think we can reject ALL of the Hadith based on the majority being corrupt. See my response to rkhan#15.
I`ll respond to some of you here:
Ballu Khan #8 - interesting analysis...I can`t disagree with you
rkhan#15 re: pick up Quran - great advice; it is the greatest travesty of contemporary times that the Qur`an has been neglected and people are following an array of made-up tales. The reference books (Hadith) are good to refer to, in an objective manner, for matters relating to that which has already been mentioned in the Miraculous Qur`an. Naturally, the authenticity can never be assured 100%, but I believe anyone with some knowledge can generally ``filter`` it.
Oak #13 re: ``Beware of making what is permitted haram - as this is the way of the Ahl-e-Kitab`` - excellent point
Kulharee #16 - as much as I condemn the killing of the judge, I also can never support the unfair hijab-ban (it`s not just purdah ban) in Turkey. Women should have the freedom to wear hijabs if they so wish in any country, and to forcefully disallow that is ridiculously wrong.
Ammara.Chaudhry #20 - fair points by Ammara all throughout...except for the fact that I`m not a member of the female gender... :)
Mohar11 #25 - there are all kinds of Muslim weddings that occur in North America...and from what I hear, it seems that ``back-home`` ones are way more ``modern`` in extravagance and lavish than the ones here. Quite frankly, as much as I dislike the dry Purdah Police ones, I`d still prefer them over the drinking & dancing ones that occasionally happen, mostly in desi hubs like Toronto, Houston, etc.
Why can`t people have normal, balanced, traditional ones...they`re so much fun!
Ammara.Chaudhry #27 - agree with Ammara; escapist is not being aggressive...it`s good to have someone like him post his points, just like everyone else. The more exchange there is, the better the possibility of the outcome.
Zeena #38 - I whole-heartedly agree with your post! I think you really caught what I feel to the T. The only thing is, I don`t think we can reject ALL of the Hadith based on the majority being corrupt. See my response to rkhan#15.
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