The Purdah Police

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My purdah and my segregation is my own privacy. It has got NOTHING to do with my religion.

Dear Writer

I don`t mind if some families segregate their wedding ceremonies. I rather respect their purdah cultural customs.

And I don`t mind women wearing hijab and observing purdah either. Again I respect their cultural customs.

Yes, I do mind when these people start pushing me in to this segregation thing and in to this purdah or hijab thing and start giving me dig lectures about hijab in reference to Hadiths and Quran or Islam.

I STRONGLY BELIEVE purdah is absolutely NOT related to Islam. I DO mind when these people start mixing their Islam with their culture. Islam is my personal issue. It is my religion which has got nothing to do with my purdah.

I do not believe in Hadiths. B/c Hadiths are NOT AUTHENTIC. So, why to believe on Hadiths If I have strong doubts about them. 90 % of Hadiths were created by Pseudo Mullahs just for their own convenience.

These PseudoMullahs ABUSE Hadiths for their own self defense. When they are unable to give any LOGIC about any lame thing practiced by them or their implementations upon others, they start using false hadiths as their weapons of mass destructions.

They do not stop here, they also start CONVOLUTING and mis interpreting Quran`s verses to suit their own idiotic selves.

I studied Quran in extreme details and I study it almost every other day(whenever I have time , I also listen to Quran`s cassettes in English and Urdu translations )

I have NOT found a single verse in Quran, that emphasised on segegration or that emphasised on Hijab.

The only verse that states about covering your bodies is,`` Oh, man and women cover your private body parts..........It implies both on men and women.

Now, such morons always try to twist this verse in a negative way to suit themselves.

So, my conclusion of this discussion is, I do not mind their wedding segregations or their purdah, as long as they do not attach these customs to ISLAM or as long as they do not push me in to them..............Thank you.

...... forget about weddings ..... women are not even allowed at funerals ! ........... why are muslim men so afraid of women ? ..... is heterosexuality haram in islam ?

#34 Escapist

Wow! That is quite a list.

Now, let us go through it one by one!

(1) Pleasing Allah tala! Hey, we men can do it too!

(2) A sense of Islamic identity! Who can have it stronger than Trully and Boomer?!

(3) Knowledge of following the example of the “best generation” of Muslims. Trully and Boomer, of course!

(4) So pious and righteous, clearly Muslims would want to preserve their beauty from others and share only with spouse(s). Just imagine those kafirs drooling all over your beautiful Muslim charms - like naughty kids going and grabbing ripe mangoes! Perhaps, purdah is the ultimate safety shield. So let us make sure those pious and righteous beautiful Muslim males get to cover their attractive features, too - what if kafir women start lusting after them - and even kafir men!

(5) Being treated with respect as a thinking human being, and boy we know the Muslim men DESERVE their fair share of respect!

(6) Cuts down on race issues - absolutely! Nobody can tell what race, gender, or species are you! A readymade device for all Muslim men to forever escape the curse of racism, casteism, sexism, you name it!

Brilliant! You have made a perfect case for all Muslim men to start wearing the hizab!

Let us get those plucky brave Muslim men to start wearing the purdah! Perhaps Manto should be the first to start!

Re: # 34
Dear escapist,
Hope u r doing well.

With regards to Ayath 33:59, where did u get this translation, here`s another posted by Yusuf Ali:

033.059 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they
should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most
convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-
Forgiving, Most Merciful.


Arabic (Quranic) words used have different meanings but none state all over their bodies. Why wud they be known and not be molested? Cause this ayath came in times of war and women were advised to be careful when leaving home cause they were at risk of being ``molested``. Now does that mean women are at risk of being molested by that horrible animal called man whenever they leave home in normal times?

1. Pleasing Allah SWT? So women are supposed to cover themselves to please Allah? Gimme a break, its the parochial, misogynist male mentality getting satisfaction, male and female were created equal by god in the flesh.

2. sense of islamic identity? So nuns, jewish women they wud be classified as what? Purdah as described by u wqas not followed during the Holy Prophet time, this form of women incarceration came after a century when Mulsims interacted with the orthodox christians whose elite kept their women behind veils. It represented status, nothing to do with religious doctrine.

3. repition of your point number 2.

4. Preserve beauty for the husband, how selfish. Just kiddin. First of all, this is a opinion with no religious sanction. On a separate note, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and secondly, when God does not hide beauty for us to enjoy then why do we act as guardians with no authority?

5. All human beings deserve to be treated with respect irrespective of creed, colour or sex. Should ppl of dark origin cover themselves to be treated with respect? Your statement by its implication is rascists and smacks of human prejuidices

6. Repititive. 5&6 are the same.

I like your inappropriate reasons for wearing niqaab.

Re: # 33

On Benefits of Purdah..

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
The Noble Qur’an Surah 33:59

1. Pleasing Allah swt


2. A sense of Islamic identity. When you wear full hijab (covering of the head, neck, chest, face, hands and feet), there is no doubt that you are Muslim. You will not be mistaken for anything else but a Muslimah. Perhaps this is what Allah meant when He said “…they should be known as (free and respectable women) so as not to be annoyed…” (Surah 33:59)
3. Knowledge that we are following the example of the “best generation” of Muslims. The wives and daughters of the Prophet (SAW), as well as the Companions wives, wore the veil and covered completely. They are the most pious of women who we try to learn to be like, so why would we make an exception in this instance?
4. As a pious and righteous wife, we should want to preserve our beauty from others and share it only with our husband.
5. Being treated with respect as a thinking human being. When we are veiled, no one can tell if we are fat or thin, blonde or brunette, cute or homely or beautiful, or what color our skin is. This is a big blessing, in that they will not see us as an exploitable object or insult us either. People are forced to hear the words we say instead of concentrating on what we look like and missing out on our minds.
6. Cuts down on race issues. When we are covered fully, no one knows for sure even the color of our skin. This protects us from the racist remarks and treatment that is still so prevalent in North America, and elsewhere


Inappropriate Reasons for Wearing Niqaab

As stated, we wear niqaab first and foremost for the pleasure of Allah. There are a few reasons that some Muslimahs wear it that are not in accordance with Islam and are not pleasing to Allah. These include:
• Pride and arrogance
• Lack of humility about one’s beauty
• Class or caste distinction
• Cultural tradition
Sisters that wear the veil for these purposes are missing out on the real benefits of covering. The purdah (covering) that is Islamic is also in one’s actions and attitude and must come from a heart full of love and fear of Allah.


By Ms. Hernandez

Can anybody name ONE single benefit of purdah?

Re: # 27
Well, ammara bibi....that is how i see it and expressed my view. You dont have to necessarily agree with me. Hadith`s were compiled more than a century after the demise of Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) and to base Islamic practices that are not backed by Quran are causing huge mess in the world.

Re #30
well.. not in all cases.. but many weddings yes. i think back home in PAK or india.. people still get to single-mingle.. but here in states no..
its weird how u see hydro-aunties, wearing a air tight hijab.. talking islam.. and they have a blouse on..that is sleevless and shows every inch of mid-riff GOD gave em.
Ammara

Re: # 25

OK - the muslim wedding. I wanted to know if the forced gender segregation happens at muslim weddings that take place in US...

I mean - back in the ``home`` countries, muslims stick to their ``customs`` - hence herding women to one corner would not be surprising... but muslims living in US, I would think that they would be enlightened enough NOT to resort that kind of stupidity...

Apparently not...

jang,
Nothing wrong until u end up at a wedding where a desi bhai jaan is marrying a african american aunty. Then the desi uncle jees cry over mixed offsprings, and aunty jees gossip over ``amreeka ki hawa lag gayi hai.`` and rest of the girls can`t find a suitable larka, cuz however many there were, all married either gori or kaali. and then the girls are put at home to cry over their naseeb.
the thing is let the people meet. If a couple has married, and will live happily ever after, let others take advantage of the gathering and may be find a match for them selves too. u know.. . Uncles can discuss the politics and enjoy the vodka at home, aunties can share the jewels and gossip at a lady lunch, but how m any times do u find 50-100 guys and girls looking their best at home? NEVER, i think. so either take the purdah out, or be ready to bring the multi-cultural weddings home.

i think these weddings sound good..so the men hang-out together over martinis, scotch and smokes and discuss politics and stocks..women gossip, exchange recipes, discuss jewellery and clothes (and allow kids to run-around).

see nothing wrong here, makes patent sense!

aashee,
no offense, but what right do u have to call the escapist a ``messer in the world.`` i think its ppl like you who r not willing to listen to the perception of the other side. I think u need to re-read his post one more time, and see that he is not ``making`` or ``telling`` u to do one thing, he was ``answering`` a question, and backing it up, with at least `` some`` sort of reference. Too bad that some among us like to twist the Islam as we please.
Ammara

kaalchakra,
``rigomortis``? i mean what does that even mean? but thanx for the advise though, i`ll keep cautious next time.
Ammara

Mohar,
we r not just talking about PAKI weddings. its like many weddings, but in most cases muslim ceremonies. but Shujaat`s story took place at a ``muslim`` wedding.

Are you guys saying that this gender seggregation thing happens at paki weddings in US?...