The Purdah Police

Absolutely right!
These English speaking ex-playboy dari walahs with cute non purdah observing daughters and old purdah observing wives once used to be an endangered species. Now they show up in abundance.

I once had a fruitful argument with one such uncle about the significance of facial hair in Islam. He called it sunnat and I countered it with the argument that the prophet (PBUH) didn’t have access to good shaving equipment. He got furious so I asked him if he was such a dedicated follower of the prophet why doesn’t he get rid of his Honda and Prado and get a camel for travel purpose. Obviously he didn’t have the answers. So I am a labeled Kafir and Munkir but I couldn’t care less.

Every time I visit back home I find out that a couple of my friends have turned into dari walahs. My question to them is always the same. Bhai 100 choohey poorey ho gaye kya?

I pray that Allah keeps us away from the wrath of dari brigade.

hahaha....a comical look at the farcical islam being practiced in society these days.

i agree its quite outrageus and unacceptable....but thanks for keeping it so humorous :)

It is truly a shame that still for some people Islam begins from the beard of a man and ends on the Purdah of a woman.

a different topic, but the same thread of fundamentalism versus reason. You can`t let an untouchable woman touch your shadow. But you can rape her.

A brilliant critique of the Mullahs in society. A mullah is the erstwhile sword of damocles on every Muslim`s head. I`ve on occasion attended a few ``segregated`` weddings here and there... but always ended up non-segregating it ... by shifting to the women`s side after a a while.

Re: # 5

Hey, doesn`t Aisha mind? :)

Dear writer,
nice reading, sure wud like to see some contrary opinions this is becoming boring.

purdah police is about power........it is about arbitrary display of power where every individual becomes an interpretor of every one`s action and has the ability to deliver punishment arbitrarily..............it is about bullying..........that is what spoilt child does............it is a reflection of anarchy in a society

Praise be to Allaah.

On beard..

Shaving the beard is haraam, as is shortening it and reducing it, because of the evidence which shows that it is obligatory to leave it alone and let it grow.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (5/133): Shaving the beard is haraam because of the saheeh ahaadeeth and reports that have been narrated concerning that, and because of the general meaning of the texts that forbid resembling the kuffaar, including the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar, which says that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen; let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.” According to another report: “trim your moustaches and let your beards grow.” And there are other, similar ahaadeeth. Letting the beard grow means leaving it as it is and not shaving it, or plucking or cutting any part of it. Ibn Hazm narrated that there was scholarly consensus that trimming the moustache and letting the beard grow is obligatory, and he quoted as evidence a number of ahaadeeth, including the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) quoted above, and the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Arqam, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does not trim his moustache is not one of us.” Classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi. It says in al-Furoo’: According to our companions – the Hanbalis – this indicates that it is haraam.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus indicate that we are commanded to be different from the kuffaar and that it is forbidden to resemble them in general terms, because resembling them outwardly may cause us to resemble them in attitude and doing blameworthy deeds and even in beliefs. It generates love and friendship inwardly, just as inward love generates outward resemblance. Al-Tirmidhi narrated that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is not one of us who imitates people other than us; do not imitate the Jews and the Christians.” According to another report: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Imam Ahmad. And ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab rejected the testimony of a man who plucked his beard.

Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said in al-Tamheed: It is haraam to shave the beard, and no one does that but effeminate men, meaning those who imitate women. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a thick beard, as was narrated by Muslim from Jaabir and in other reports. And it is not permissible to remove anything from it because of the general meaning of the evidence that shows that that is not allowed. End quote.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on one who makes the ends of his beard even?

He said: What is required is to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and not to do anything to it, because it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” Saheeh – agreed upon. Narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). And al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrated in his Saheeh from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” Muslim narrated in his Saheeh from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Cut the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the Magians.”

All these ahaadeeth indicate that it is obligatory to leave the beard alone and let it grow, and to trim the moustache. This is what is prescribed in Islam, and this is what is obligatory, as taught and enjoined by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is following the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them), and differing from the mushrikeen, and avoiding resembling them or resembling women.

With regard to the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (may Allaah have mercy on him) which says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to remove something from the length and breadth of his beard, this is a false report according to the scholars, and it is not a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Some people insisted on using this hadeeth as evidence, but it is not a saheeh report, because its isnaad includes ‘Umar ibn Haroon al-Balkhi, who is accused of lying.

So it is not permissible for a believer to follow this false hadeeth, or to use as a concession that which was said by some scholars, for the Sunnah is binding upon us all, and Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad), has indeed obeyed Allaah”

[al-Nisa’ 4:80]

“Say: Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allaah’s Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)”

[al-Noor 24:54]

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And Allaah is the Source of strength. End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh ibn Baaz (4/443).

“So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can”

[al-Taghaabun 64:16]

Re: # 6

Actually, as a true family man, Yasser often is driven by the need to be with us women -Zoya and his mom in addition to me, from the time we walk in to such disasterous events they call weddings-- which we have made a point to reject for the reason that a wedding celebrates a union of equality between a man and a woman, and segregating them is counterintuitive as well as damaging to everything that a marriage stands for- trust, intimacy, joy, sharing...

So anyway, Zoya is often sent to yell for her Baba, and later after my hubby secures himself in a position next to me often descried as ``chipakna``, the great knockon effect leads to many cousins and uncles also joining in to `check on things` and eventually making themselves comfortable next to the women in their lives like little pups.

Such weddings are rare though, mostly in Pakistan weddings are the only time the displays in Liberty market and Zamzama come alive, and what good would they be without men ...As Uncle Nand will attest to the one he attended of my friend Sara, this is a time of little inhibitions, and an overriding happiness...

According to Fatima Mernessi, Pardah Police are often women who are postmenopause and somehow feel that lack of sexual identification makes them androgynous enough to abuse the authority of patriarchy. This unnatual state puts them in a high risk category where they`d be the first to hop on to the waiters if they could get away with it.


Aisha Sarwari

Re: # 9
Dear escapist, thanku for showing up, monotony is boring.

So this Sh Baaz dude is`nt he the same guy who insisted world is flat?

Re: # 9
On a seriouse note, if beards are compulsory then why wud god create some of us (meaning orientals) with a hereditary disadvantage? why so much emphasis on creating drones when god creates humanity with diversity? this world was created with different colours, sizes, shapes, habits, intellects, traits etc etc, who is mankind to challenge ways of creation?

Re: #9 by escapist

AA

Basic sources of authority in Islam Quran, Sunnah, Hadith, Ijma (of Sahaba), Qiyas etc. etc. They vary slightly depending on different schools. You, however, start of w/ a fatwa which is in the wrong order. And of-course different scholars issue different fatwas

So starting off w/ the Quran: There is nothing in the Quran which makes a beard necessary. One may quite reasonably say that as ahadith may contradict one another on the matter. The Holy Prophet (saw) also said ``cleanliness is part of faith``. That may in circumstances require trimming of the beard. It is recorded that Hadhret Ali used to keep his beard short. The Holy Prophet made no objection.

The majority of schools certainly did attest that shaving was forbidden. However, that was in a particular context, in Muslim lands where everybody kept beards. To shave in that circumstance would have been strange and violating a Muslim tradition.

To be different from Magians and Mushrik is firstly in essence and secondly in appearance. Once you have diffrentiated yourself in essence then come to give advice. But if any individual were to reflect on oneself he would never step forward, fearing his mistakes and deficiencies. This is the way of the Sahaba-e-Ikraam and this is why Hadhret Abdullah bin Masood used to tremble whenever he narrated a hadith for fear of making a mistake.

Incidentally I personally believe that having a beard is one of the marks of manhood. But, as the Prophet (saw) taught us you should make religion easy for people. Beware of making what is permitted haram - as this is the way of the Ahl-e-Kitab. The Quran says that such are a people with a camel load of learning but they do not understand it. Do not be similar.

JK

Oak

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Ibn Taymiyyah recorded seven centuries ago the agreement between astronomers and Muslim scholars on the spherical nature of the earth. Muslim scholars derived their position based on exegeses of the Qur’an - and this should come as no great surprise, since true religion and true science have always been considered by Islam to be perfectly harmonious.



In recent years, controversy flared up due to statements falsely attributed to the great scholar, Shaikh ‘Abdul-‘Aziz ibn ‘Abdullah ibn Baz [1]. He was alleged to have said that the earth is flat, and that one who denies this is a disbeliever in Islam. These unfounded allegations were picked up by Cornell astronomer Carl Sagan [2], and also reported in The New York Times [3]. Such high profile sources in turn provided fodder to a host of anti-Islamic writers, with which to label Islam as a backward and anti-scientific way of life. There was also much delight amongst followers of various heretical sects, who used these statements to attack Shaikh Ibn Baz – known throughout his life as a tireless defender of Islamic orthodoxy.



In the letter presented below, Shaikh Ibn Baz affirms his agreement with the position of the classical Islamic scholars on the spherical nature of the earth. He also categorically denies that he said that a person who says the earth is round is a disbeliever.



The letter represents a challenge to all those who have attributed these lies to Shaikh Ibn Baz. Whether they failed to verify sources due to sloppiness, or chose not to due to malice, they are required to retract their statements if they want to salvage any semblance of intellectual integrity.



Text of the Letter



From ‘Abdul-‘Aziz ibn ‘Abdullah ibn Baz to the honoured brother



May Allah direct you to what pleases Him. Aamin



Salamun alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu…



… As for what the magazine, as-Siyasah has published about me quoting from al-Bayan that was written by the writers of at-Tajamu’ at-Taqadumi in Egypt in regards to me denying the landing of man on the moon and me making takfir [to declare a person a disbeliever] of the one who says it or says that the earth is round or rotates - then it is a pure lie; it has no basis of authenticity. And perhaps the one who quoted it did not intend the lie but failed to verify the quote.



My statement is published and distributed and I explained the response to the one who denies the landing of man on the moon and the kufr [disbelief] of one who says it. Furthermore, I clarified that it is an obligation on the one who does not have knowledge to withhold and not to affirm or deny until some knowledge is attained which necessitate affirmation or denial.



Also, I affirm in the statement what I have quoted from the Allamah Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allah have mercy upon him, that which proves the affirmation of the roundness of the earth.



As far as its rotation, then I have denied it and explained the evidences denying it. However, I did not declare kufr upon the one who upholds it. I only declared kufr upon the one who says that the sun is stationary and does not run on a course because this statement collides with the clarity of the Noble Qur’an and the pure authentic Sunnah which both prove that the sun and the moon both run on a course…



Was-Salamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu



General Director of the Offices of General Research, Verdicts, Da’wah, and Guidance



(Ibn Baz)



This letter was issued from the office of the noble shaikh with the number: 1/2925 on 7/11/1397.



Source: http://www.ibnbaz.org.sa/Display.asp?f=bz01759

Re: # 9
escapist dude. You caught me on a wrong day. Normally I would be so busy at work that I wouldn’t care to reply. But fortunately its Friday today and we here in main land Europe tend to work very little on Fridays (I guess that’s also something that’s got to do with Sunnat).

Look at your own post and tell me exactly what’s right. You mention a few references to Hadith but man Hadith was documented decades after the prophet’s death. The most popular Bukhari well over 200 years later. And the authors of these had obviously no direct interaction with the prophet himself. Even so hard as you tried you can’t pin point me one place where facial hair has any mention in the Quran itself.

“Trim the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the mushrikeen.” Dude have you ever seen Amish people or Jews for that matter.

Allah gave us Quran and promised to keep it unadulterated. He didn’t promise the same for Hadith. So in my humble opinion the Hadith is current form are at least 80% inaccurate and edited to fit into the need of the time and in some cases the author.

My advice mate. Drop the Hadith and pickup Quran.

btw their is also no mention of circumcision male or female in Quran. Or for that matter dogs being ``na-paak``

A couple of days ago, a Judge In Turkey was killed by an Islami thug, for upholding the ban of purdah in Public places. Purdha is only a tool of the bearded fundoos to keep the women submissive to them.