The Gap: Can the USA and Islam Bridge It?

Bridging the gap?
The bear hug meiN aur kuchh kasar reh gai hai?

Ubb iss quadar bhhee naa chaho kay ``duuum`` (tail) nikal aaey...

Tumhaaray liay huay badnam: Musharraf wooing US.



The U-turn phenomena: some are making X-turns; Y-turns . ABCD or ABRACADABRA muslims in a quandry: Listen

Re: # 31 salim
[...(ISNA, ICNA, CHIKNA, CAIR, MSA) is largely responsible for the misfortunes of people in America with Muslim names.....]

Yep... these l0sers have been dancing to saudi tunes for far too long... always whining about this ``injustice`` or that... shedding crocodile tears about palis while the entire muslim world has been rotting under self-created garbage....

Have any of these organization campaigned for reform in their home societies?... for democracy, secularism, tolerance, pluralism?... have any of these guys protested against outright intolerance and big0try practiced in saudi arabia and other places?... or wahabi terrorism being spread across the world?...

I doubt it... now that their a$$es are in line, they are crying copius tears on how to bridge the ``gap`` - the gap that they themselves have knowingly expanded all these years...

how can you bridge anything when you practice all sorts of exclusive ideologies?... islam is best, kafir is bad, secularism is haram, jews are evil, hinuds are evil, america is the satan... these are the mantras that is being drilled into muslims all over the world since their childhood.... under such situation - how are you going to bridge any gap?

Ras Siddiqui {``The first speaker, Dr. Muqtedar Khan is the Assistant Professor in the Political Science and International; Relations Department at the University of Delaware...He said that Muslims here need to have a major paradigm shift and that if they think of themselves as foreigners here they will be treated as such. “American Muslims have become too full of themselves,” he said. He attributed this to the tolerance of Americans and added that if a 9/11 type event happened in India, thousands of Muslims would have been slaughtered. ``The biggest threat to American Muslims is another attack,” he said. ``}

Ras,
No kidding, Sherlock! I could have told you all this and you would not have had to gather these 400 wise men in a central place like California. Next time, for everyone`s convenience you should meet in Hawaii or better yet Pago Pago. The American Muslim leadership in North America (ISNA, ICNA, CHIKNA, CAIR, MSA) is largely responsible for the misfortunes of people in America with Muslim names. Throughout their existence, these extremists have pushed the agenda of Saudi Sunni Wahabism, Muslim Brotherhood, and Palestinian terrorists such as Hamas. They have emphasized the need for beards, the hijab, segregation of the sexes, Islamic ghettos, Islamic garb, and Islamic thought, action, and speech. This has resulted in a thorough alienation of Muslims from the mainstream. A well-orchestrated series of interfaith kumbaya sessions, carefully manipulated to only include the Wahabbi point of view, has further defined American Muslims as some lunatics from outer space who devour human babies and blow up tall buildings.

Stop speaking for ALL people with Muslim-sounding names in America. Please let Muslims be on their own, free to mingle with the rest of the society in a country where they chose to live. If certain American Muslims are so bent on spreading Islam and emphasizing Islamic behavior, why don`t they start in countries that have solid Muslim majorities - like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Egypt, and Afghanistan. When it works there and you have developed the best philosophy for mankind since the Roman orgy, please bring it to the US for our benefit. In the meantime, shave your beards, take off that stupid hijab and stop calling me brother, unless you have real pictures to prove that.

Re: # 32 salim

Yeah - Indians are fair game for everybody... nobody ever says anything when they get bombed and massacred and ethnic-cleansed from their homes - but as soon as they hit back, all hell breaks loose... everyone and their aunt gets all worked up to pound on the evil indians...

Ah well...

Ras Siddiqui {``He attributed this to the tolerance of Americans and added that if a 9/11 type event happened in India, thousands of Muslims would have been slaughtered. ``}

Also, Ras Bhai,
Please tell Dr. Muqtedar Khan to stop making this stupid statement over and over. He seems to be saying ``Thank God, 9/11 happened in good old USA, if it happened in India then the ointment would really hit the fan.``

First of all, India and Indians have been victims of Islamic terrorism since the early 90s. With the exception of Modi`s Gujarat, where the issue was state-sponsored exercise in teaching Muslims a lesson, most of India and Indians have reacted surprisingly sensibly and responsibly to terrorist events.

Instead of praising Americans for their kind reaction or blaming Indians for a hypothetical reaction, we Muslims need to eliminate terrorism, extremism, intolerance, and segregation. Let`s clean our house and not make comments on how nicely others shield themselves from our dirt.

Re: # 35 kaal
[...These are my brothers, so I guess, I must share in the blame...]

Only if you love self-goals ...or shooting yourself in foot ...or cutting down the branch you are sitting on... take your pick :)

salim bro, that`s ok :) It`s a tragedy that the Islamic world must stoop to the level of Muqtedar Khans and Yoginder Sikands to find its liberal intellectuals. But may be there is something in mother India`s milk that we are stuck with such luminaries. These are my brothers, so I guess, I must share in the blame.

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Re: # 40

That will be nice...

#33
mohar11 sahib

There is no such thing as GAP or BRIDGE here in America.

These so called fanatic Muslim organizations are stupid to assume that they are so very important that an average American will feel any gap or bridge.

America was very tolerant , when these pseudo Muslims weren`t under the the idiotic flags of their organizations.

Very few people knew what religion got to do with average Americans. No body cared.
Since these idiots started this idiotic propaganda , now I am seeing some chage in American attitudes towards religions.

They have rusted and spoilt America with their religious venoms.

My question is again, if they are that much concerned about preserving their Muslim ethnicity and they are that much loyal with eachother based on their Muslim unity. Then why don`t they go back to their homeland countries and start bridging big gaps between poverty and hunger, between rich and poors...............

They don`t realise they are needed most in their own countries for the betterment of those miserable humans who really need to gather under a flag to solve their problems........

Why don`t they show a true Islam and gather all poors under their arms to show true brotherhood?

Believe me , average Americans don`t care what they are screaming for...............

These selfish organizations should be kicked off of America for their chaotic rantings..............

Siddiqui Sahib,
I mean seriously, sir, these imposters of ISNA, ICNA, CAIR, and other 4-letter words go around misrepresenting themselves as the sole spokesmen for 6 million to 7 million (the number keeps growing by a million every month!) ``Muslim`` Americans. This probably includes the almost 2 million expatriate Iranians most of whom have no desire to be associated with any religious outfit - especially a Wahabbi Sunni one.

Why can`t these few thousand people, with extra time on their hands, go around doing useful things - like picking up hot dog wrappers at ball parks? With their unbiased views and keen eyesight, perhaps they could judge wet T-shirt contests, or start halal barber shops, or better yet, consolidate their annoying organizations with Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jerry Springer, or Jimmy Swaggart. In fact, much of the agenda of the extremist Muslims in America coincides with the Moral Majority and the 700 Club. No, the latter is not a strip joint in Norfolk with a staff of 700.

The sensible thing to do is to leave American Muslims alone. Let us be free to assimilate at our own rate and comfort level, instead of being hastily shoved into the mainstream out of rabid fear of being associated with the extremist Muslims. Can`t you see that these ``Muslim`` organizations are doing much more harm than the little good that is done by their phony appearances at Bar Mitzvahs and cross burnings?

Thanks to you guys, even our only claim to fun, yes the long-cherished institution of polygamy, has been hijacked by the Mormons of LDS - yeah, just watch an episode of ``Big Love.`` That could have been about us, if only we were perceived as good people. :)

re#40

>>>>My question is again, if they are that much concerned about preserving their Muslim ethnicity and they are that much loyal with eachother based on their Muslim unity. Then why don`t they go back to their homeland countries and start bridging big gaps between poverty and hunger, between rich and poors............... <<<<<

Zeena MemSaab,
Very refreshing!

regards,

very simple -- remember tha famous saying -- don`t do in Mecca what the Romans do in Rome -- and don`t do in Rome what the Meccans do in Mecca -- and nobody will bother nobody .....

OH my weird ones -- mingle

#38
aktaie jii

Sorry, your post is irrelevant to my responses. You are discussing west and I am discussing South.

I can not comprehend your post, like you are unbale to comprehend my post. And irony is my posts are always very simple and straightforward.

I request you to please read my responses. I don`t deny that I am not Muslim.
Yes, I am denying the existence of these stupid fanatic organizations.

Again, my religion is my personal thing which has got nothing to do with my being American or not. Simple.............