Zafar Choudhary May 14, 2006
#24 Posted by nasah on May 15, 2006 10:18:58 am
``There can be NO friendship between muslims and non-muslims. These are two different
species.``(Wiseguyin)
what happened to you my dear anthropolgist wise guy -- between yesterday and today -- did you change your nationality -- that`s a very bigoted unindian statement....don`t like India anymore?......then you might as well migrate to the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal....no?.
species.``(Wiseguyin)
what happened to you my dear anthropolgist wise guy -- between yesterday and today -- did you change your nationality -- that`s a very bigoted unindian statement....don`t like India anymore?......then you might as well migrate to the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal....no?.
#23 Posted by samosa on May 15, 2006 10:03:55 am
# 21 salim,
You have very less information about indian history between 1950-1990. Worship around babri structure was started recently by rajiv gandhi to pander the hindu votes. while the court case on babri is going in the indian court for more than 50 years the opening of place to worship was started by your dear congress and its great leader rajiv. So dont accuse just bjp for that. bjp is accused of getting only for hindu votes not like congress who would speak a different language with muslims and hindus. They have divided hindus and muslims through different laws and has divided hindus through reservations.
The biggest communal party is india at this moment is congress. This congress is not the same that got india, pakistan and bangladesh their independence.
You have very less information about indian history between 1950-1990. Worship around babri structure was started recently by rajiv gandhi to pander the hindu votes. while the court case on babri is going in the indian court for more than 50 years the opening of place to worship was started by your dear congress and its great leader rajiv. So dont accuse just bjp for that. bjp is accused of getting only for hindu votes not like congress who would speak a different language with muslims and hindus. They have divided hindus and muslims through different laws and has divided hindus through reservations.
The biggest communal party is india at this moment is congress. This congress is not the same that got india, pakistan and bangladesh their independence.
#22 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 15, 2006 9:47:52 am
wiseguyin #20 {``There can be NO friendship between muslims and non-muslims. These are two different ...I say, build a 400 ft high concrete wall on the LoC and all across our borders with bangladesh and pukistan.``}
Wiseguyin,
I say we build a 400 ft high concrete wall around you. :)
Wiseguyin,
I say we build a 400 ft high concrete wall around you. :)
#21 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 15, 2006 9:45:59 am
samosa #19, {``Why would you not lump Congress along with BJP? ``}
Samosa,
It is obvious to me that there is a vast difference between the two when it comes to religiouos fanaticism and communalism. The legacy of the BJP is one of supervising the destruction of Babri Masjid and playing on the emotions of Hindus to attain success. I would compare BJP to MMA in today`s Pakistani politics. Of course the ML in India was and is a communal party. Just my way of looking at things and I could be wrong. I know that there are a lot of people trying to present BJP as a mainstream, Indian secular party.
Samosa,
It is obvious to me that there is a vast difference between the two when it comes to religiouos fanaticism and communalism. The legacy of the BJP is one of supervising the destruction of Babri Masjid and playing on the emotions of Hindus to attain success. I would compare BJP to MMA in today`s Pakistani politics. Of course the ML in India was and is a communal party. Just my way of looking at things and I could be wrong. I know that there are a lot of people trying to present BJP as a mainstream, Indian secular party.
#20 Posted by wiseguyin on May 15, 2006 9:35:52 am
This ranks as one of those candle-light-vigil-ch`tyapa-kind-of-article that we are periodically
subjected to.
There can be NO friendship between muslims and non-muslims. These are two different
species. We should open our doors for EVERY non-muslim from muslim lands. We should also
give incentives for muslims to migrate to muslim lands. (The parasites just won`t leave even
then !). The hypocrites say all muslims are brothers - but the saudi MC just won`t give citizenship to even muslims from other places.
I say, build a 400 ft high concrete wall on the LoC and all across our borders with bangladesh
and pukistan.
subjected to.
There can be NO friendship between muslims and non-muslims. These are two different
species. We should open our doors for EVERY non-muslim from muslim lands. We should also
give incentives for muslims to migrate to muslim lands. (The parasites just won`t leave even
then !). The hypocrites say all muslims are brothers - but the saudi MC just won`t give citizenship to even muslims from other places.
I say, build a 400 ft high concrete wall on the LoC and all across our borders with bangladesh
and pukistan.
#19 Posted by samosa on May 15, 2006 9:17:33 am
# 9 salim,
Why would you not lump Congress along with BJP? Religious riots used to happen before 1992 when BJP made lot of gain in number of seats of Indian Parliament. Riots in Gujarat used to happen even during congress rule. During babri structure demolition most of the riots happened in states governed by congress. Gujarat had Chimanbhai Patel and Maharshtra had Sharad Pawar. India was also governed by Narsimharao.
# 4 paindu,
The author in the article claims that Pakistan has completely stopped support terrorist while there are not positive replies from India. I think he went overboard when he states that all the terrorism activity against India is stopped. Maybe the rate of infiltration is low but its like a faucet controlled by Pak Government. It can increase the flow anytime it wants. India expect Pak government to even destroy infrastructure like training camps in POK and parts of Pakistan. Then India should remove its troop in Kashmir.
Why would you not lump Congress along with BJP? Religious riots used to happen before 1992 when BJP made lot of gain in number of seats of Indian Parliament. Riots in Gujarat used to happen even during congress rule. During babri structure demolition most of the riots happened in states governed by congress. Gujarat had Chimanbhai Patel and Maharshtra had Sharad Pawar. India was also governed by Narsimharao.
# 4 paindu,
The author in the article claims that Pakistan has completely stopped support terrorist while there are not positive replies from India. I think he went overboard when he states that all the terrorism activity against India is stopped. Maybe the rate of infiltration is low but its like a faucet controlled by Pak Government. It can increase the flow anytime it wants. India expect Pak government to even destroy infrastructure like training camps in POK and parts of Pakistan. Then India should remove its troop in Kashmir.
#18 Posted by arjun_m on May 15, 2006 8:18:20 am
This is from mullah omar`s former rag, you know, the one founded by the jinnah dude..
Pakiland wants India to give it a face saver in Kashmir so Pakiland can stop spending less on it`s military and more on education..How is that not like a petulant child demanding candy as an incentive for taking the meds that will reduce his high fever?
Pakiland wants to have it`s cake, eat it, and get paid to eat the cake..
ACCORDING to the World Bank, Pakistan’s spending on public sector education is only 2.3 per cent of the GDP and this is much lower than the South Asian average of 3.6 per cent and the low-income countries’ average of 3.4 per cent. This disturbing information does not come out of the blue. Given the dismal state of education in Pakistan which is now casting a dark shadow over every sector of life, it is generally known that education has not received the priority it deserves. Had this not been the case, the government would not have shifted its responsibility of educating the citizens of this country to the private sector. Having done that, the policymakers have managed to ease the heavy financial burden that education, especially universal primary education, would have devolved on it if education remained entirely in the public sector.
Pakiland wants India to give it a face saver in Kashmir so Pakiland can stop spending less on it`s military and more on education..How is that not like a petulant child demanding candy as an incentive for taking the meds that will reduce his high fever?
Pakiland wants to have it`s cake, eat it, and get paid to eat the cake..
ACCORDING to the World Bank, Pakistan’s spending on public sector education is only 2.3 per cent of the GDP and this is much lower than the South Asian average of 3.6 per cent and the low-income countries’ average of 3.4 per cent. This disturbing information does not come out of the blue. Given the dismal state of education in Pakistan which is now casting a dark shadow over every sector of life, it is generally known that education has not received the priority it deserves. Had this not been the case, the government would not have shifted its responsibility of educating the citizens of this country to the private sector. Having done that, the policymakers have managed to ease the heavy financial burden that education, especially universal primary education, would have devolved on it if education remained entirely in the public sector.
#17 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 15, 2006 8:01:53 am
#14, Jang,
Depends on who you believe. In the OT, indeed the naked female, born of the rib, offered the apple as directed by the serpent under control of the devil. In Muslim belief, there was no apple. Instead it was the consumption of wheat that often leads to immediate defecation that caused the couple to be evicted from the pristine abode.
In reality, according to athraxologists, the first erect female was Eve in Botswana who may have offered a banana to her mate, causing the mass migration to Europe, ME, and Asia. Then India crashed into Asia and the Kashmir problem was born. :)
Depends on who you believe. In the OT, indeed the naked female, born of the rib, offered the apple as directed by the serpent under control of the devil. In Muslim belief, there was no apple. Instead it was the consumption of wheat that often leads to immediate defecation that caused the couple to be evicted from the pristine abode.
In reality, according to athraxologists, the first erect female was Eve in Botswana who may have offered a banana to her mate, causing the mass migration to Europe, ME, and Asia. Then India crashed into Asia and the Kashmir problem was born. :)
#16 Posted by nasah on May 15, 2006 7:59:07 am
Zafar miaN you wrote a great tear jerker -- bless you --
blessed are the peace makers who are opening the roads for people to move across the territories without moving the territories.......
blessed are the peace makers who are opening the roads for people to move across the territories without moving the territories.......
#15 Posted by friend on May 15, 2006 7:56:31 am
Another tear-jerker ....
this sexagenarian says ``I always had this impression that people here are not allowed to offer namaaz. But during my stay here at the break of every wee hour when I hear the sound of ‘Allah-o-Akbar’ from the loudspeakers atop several mosques I go into deep thought as to why this animosity is stretching on”
I do hope that other side of LOC allows loadspeaks atop several gurudwaras and temples and hindu-muslim-sikhs happily take part together in wedding ceremonies.
Thanks
this sexagenarian says ``I always had this impression that people here are not allowed to offer namaaz. But during my stay here at the break of every wee hour when I hear the sound of ‘Allah-o-Akbar’ from the loudspeakers atop several mosques I go into deep thought as to why this animosity is stretching on”
I do hope that other side of LOC allows loadspeaks atop several gurudwaras and temples and hindu-muslim-sikhs happily take part together in wedding ceremonies.
Thanks
#14 Posted by jang on May 15, 2006 7:56:12 am
salim you need to re-read scriptures carefully..it was mohtarma eve (RA) who offered the seductive apple..she did not have a banana to offer ;-)
#13 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 15, 2006 7:29:02 am
#12, {``Why won`t India hand over Kashmir on a platter so our army, which is busy bombing the tribals in the NWFP and the baloch on their land, can save some face? ``}
Arjun,
Handing over East Bengal, southern Assam, Punjab, NWFP, Sindh, and Baluchistan didn`t create any stability or long-term peace in the subcontinent, so why will Kashmir make any difference? India has been throwing silver dollars in the wishing well and not getting a penny`s worth of return. Reunification NOW.
Arjun,
Handing over East Bengal, southern Assam, Punjab, NWFP, Sindh, and Baluchistan didn`t create any stability or long-term peace in the subcontinent, so why will Kashmir make any difference? India has been throwing silver dollars in the wishing well and not getting a penny`s worth of return. Reunification NOW.
#12 Posted by arjun_m on May 15, 2006 7:06:45 am
#4 by paindupastry on May 15, 2006 1:57am PT
Why won’t India move on Kashmir? — Shaukat Qadir
Let me translate that from Pakiese to English..
Why won`t India hand over Kashmir on a platter so our army, which is busy bombing the tribals in the NWFP and the baloch on their land, can save some face?
Why won’t India move on Kashmir? — Shaukat Qadir
Let me translate that from Pakiese to English..
Why won`t India hand over Kashmir on a platter so our army, which is busy bombing the tribals in the NWFP and the baloch on their land, can save some face?
#11 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 15, 2006 6:30:44 am
#10, Home erectus offered an apple. As primates in Africa, a banana is the more likely culprit. :) Also, Tahmed is not really that old.
#10 Posted by jang on May 15, 2006 6:28:15 am
#9 how about famous tahmed argument. 10,000 years back we all had the same ancestor, and he is really responsible for offering the apple and screwing with innocence.
#9 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 15, 2006 6:16:38 am
Jang #8, {``huh? modi and bjp are effect and not cause of kashmir.``}
Jang,
That is a very far stretch. Be careful - too much elasticity can hurt real badly. :)
I lump all the elements of the saffron brigade in one package - they can sort out the irrelevant details among themselves. BJP/RSS/VHP/SP/BD/JS/SS/HM are all part of the Hindu Mahasba movement that preceded the Kashmir accession, issue, war, and terrorism by many many years. It`s like saying that Salahuddin and LeT, JeM, and the rest of these monsters are the effect and not cause of Kashmir. Religious fanaticism has always existed - all it needs are excuses to fan it.
Jang,
That is a very far stretch. Be careful - too much elasticity can hurt real badly. :)
I lump all the elements of the saffron brigade in one package - they can sort out the irrelevant details among themselves. BJP/RSS/VHP/SP/BD/JS/SS/HM are all part of the Hindu Mahasba movement that preceded the Kashmir accession, issue, war, and terrorism by many many years. It`s like saying that Salahuddin and LeT, JeM, and the rest of these monsters are the effect and not cause of Kashmir. Religious fanaticism has always existed - all it needs are excuses to fan it.
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