Musharraf and Manmohan’s Monologues

Balti# 80

As for Bhudhist population, there were not many Bhudhists living in Gilgit and Baltistan prior to the partition, the few Kashmiri Pandits and Bhudhist there in buseiness or employed in the Dogra government migrated to Leh in 1947-8.

I always wonder at this ``fact`` presented by Pakistanis. There were very few Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus in the lands that is now Pakistan. And people who were there, they all decided to migrate in 1947. Sometimes we even hear that these people migrated of their own free will. I have travelled extensively in Ladakh, and monasteries are abundant right upto border. It is highly surprising that buddhists knew in advance where LOC will come up!!

``Btw, today`s generation cannot be held responsible for things happened five decades ago.. ``
Yes, I heard white farmers of Rhodesia and South Africa saying same thing. White Americans also say same thing about American Indians and blacks. Why they should pay for what their ancestors did? Money and land gets inherited, blame does not!!

It is time the boot lickers should take inspiration from Nepal which has over turned a dictator and transformed into a SECULAR state than gloat over their dictator`s photos near some chowk urinal in Kashmir...............cannot see the sarcasm??

#80 by balti on May 19, 2006 10:42pm PT

What about the part of Kashmir that Pakistan GIFTED away to China?

Re: # 78
1. i consider both parts of Kashmir as Indian and Pakistan administered Kashmir. Techincally, J&K is a constitutional part of India, and Azad Kashmir has a constitutional government of its own. It is only Gilgit Baltistan which is practically the disputed territory, accepted by both the countires as such. We do not have a constitutional status - but then thankfully we are not dubbed as POK either.

2. As for Bhudhist population, there were not many Bhudhists living in Gilgit and Baltistan prior to the partition, the few Kashmiri Pandits and Bhudhist there in buseiness or employed in the Dogra government migrated to Leh in 1947-8. Similarly many muslim Baltis living in Leh moved down to muslim Kargil and Baltistan, which was understandable givin the situation arising out of partition. Btw, today`s generation cannot be held responsible for things happened five decades ago..

re#78
{{{{Is it just a concidence that Buddhism disappeared only from the area held by Pakistan? If such dialogue doesn`t happen within Pakistan than all such ter jerkers will be seen as just a ploy to get more land, and than kick non-believers out. What is your opinion on this? }}}}}

My dear FRIEND,
Welcome to the reality of ``Islamic Republic`` of Punjabi SUNNISTAN...........................

I am afraid you are not going to get an answer from ``Balti`` since he is not actually a ``Balti`` .......


Reagards,

VISIT THIS LINK

http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/2006/4/23-2_1.html


A majority of the people of Baltistan (around 93%) have Ladakhi / Tibetan ancestry. About 65% of the total population is Shia, 30% is Sufi Nurbakshi (a Sufi order found only in Ladakh and Baltistan) and the rest 5% are Sunnis and followers of the Ahl-i-Hadith........


........People of Baltistan are denied the right to represent the region in an
official capacity whenever conferences are convened to discuss J&K issue.

Q: How, in your view, has Pakistan treated Baltistan? How would you compare
this with how the Baltis and Buddhists in Ladakh/Kargil have been treated by
the Indian state?

I have heard that people in Leh and Kargil, both Buddhists and Muslims, have
religious and economic freedom. A careful analysis will show that
BALTIS in KARGIL HAVE FAR MORE CULTURAL, RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL FREEDOM COMPARED TO BALTIS in PAKISTANI CONTROL. They receive government support to
promote their cultural identity which is very inspiring.


Indian Balti Muslims I have talked to express pride in being Indian, which reflects on
how they are treated there. Further, they have economic autonomy through a
local autonomous development council. Their language and script is promoted
by Indian government, something that the people of Baltistan can only dream
of.

Q: How has the massive presence of Pakistani troops in Baltistan impacted on
the way in which Baltist feel about Pakistan?

The permanent presence of Pakistani army, intelligence agency personnel and
paramilitary in Baltistan increases social instability and anxiety for
locals.



Religious sermons of Shia and Sufi-Nurbakhshi Imams are taped and reported
to ISI headquarters on a regular basis.

Secret service agents employed in offices instigate ethnic and religious
conflicts between Shinas, Baltis, Shias, Sunnis and Nurbakhshis. The
Pakistani army uses Shia-Wahhabi riots as an excuse to transfer key posts in
the departments of health, education and infrastructure development to army
brigadiers, further expanding military authority..................

balti saheb#63
You are bieng very selective with what you want to answer
I had two points
1. Your terming ``Indian part of Kashmir`` as India held Kashmir, and terming Pakistani part of Kashmir as ``Pakistani administered Kashmir``. Once you make such distinctions, your sermons loose all their values. Don`t you agree?

2. I made no suggestion about re-unifications of J&K state. My comment was that before you want a dialogue between India and Pakistan, you should have dialogue within Pakistan about reuniting Pakistani Kashmir, Gilgit and Baltistan. This diaglogue should address needs of not only Muslims but also of other faiths that lived in this region for centuries. On other board I made a request for information on Buddhist population in Gilgit and Baltistan and got no reply. Budhhism is still alive in areas administered by China and India. Is it just a concidence that Buddhism disappeared only from the area held by Pakistan? If such dialogue doesn`t happen within Pakistan than all such ter jerkers will be seen as just a ploy to get more land, and than kick non-believers out. What is your opinion on this?

From the website of the Pakistan Software Export Board, the first place a non-deluded paki would have looked if such a species did exist..

http://www.pseb.org.pk/page.php?page_id=77

IT and IT Enabled Services Exports during 2004-2005 : US$ 48.50 million (transacted through the State Bank of Pakistan)

Export target for the current fiscal year 2005-2006: US$ 72 million (State Bank transactions)

And to send HisExcellency`s credibility into the negative..

This is what pakis were dreaming of in 2001 and 1999..a perfect example of paki see, paki (want to) do.., paki no can do..paki delude himself...

Software will fetch billions for Pakistan -- Musharraf

Software will fetch billions for Pakistan: Musharraf


Karachi, Aug 17 (IANS) Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has said his
government will bank on software exports in a big way to help Pakistan
achieve socio-economic development.

The government is giving a big impetus to the IT (information technology)
sector for this purpose, Musharraf said while inaugurating the Software
Technology Park Expo-2001 in Lahore.

If wishes were horses, Pakis would be jockeys...

EPB plans to boost software exports to $1 bil

Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:49:43 +0500

Export Promotion Bureau plans to boost software exports to $1
billion: chairman distributes certificates

MUZAFFAR QURESHI

KARACHI (August 2) : The Export Promotion Bureau has drawn up a plan
to boost export of software to one billion dollars in next three
years and for this purpose it would promote computer education in
collaboration with technical institutes in the country.

#74 by HisExcellency on May 19, 2006 11:58am PT


A couple of years ago I posted plenty of links (see CIO magazine, Enpointe Technologies) in support of that claim. Not even the cynical Dr. Hoodbhoy believes the $50 million `ghost number`.


You did no such thing..

Even your own software export board says otherwise..

re: #68 arjun_m

{{Articles by pakis saying the FP mag rankings are unjustified because the pakis say so}}

Honestly, you are wasting your comic talent on Chowk.

{{A couple ofyears ago you claimed Pakiland`s IT exports were 400-600 million $. You still haven`t produced an iota of proof for that..there`s a ton of articles, even in the paki press, saying Pakiland`s IT exports are ~ 50million $.}}

A couple of years ago I posted plenty of links (see CIO magazine, Enpointe Technologies) in support of that claim. Not even the cynical Dr. Hoodbhoy believes the $50 million `ghost number`.

{{your credibility = number invented by Indians...}}

My credibility would be at stake if I was posting my own articles. The ones I am posting are written by other people.

You are getting too angry dear. I am sharing information on this public forum, not trying to change any of your precious beliefs.

Re: # 71 by HE

OK OK Your Excellency sahib we get it...Pakistan`s economy is going thru the roof...its booming big time. Now don`t give us sleepless nights by all these red-green painted stuff. The scene is already too scary for us.

Re: # 71 by HE

OK OK Your Excellency sahib we get it...Pakistan`s economy is going thru the roof...its booming big time. Now don`t give us sleepless nights by all these red-green painted stuff. The scene is already too scary for us.

The success of PTCL-Etisalat deal opens up more opportunities for the govt to

PRIVATIZATION THROUGH STOCK EXCHANGE WINNING FOREIGN INVESTORS` CONFIDENCE

Privatization can also be used as a tool to provide some form of monetary incentives to lower income groups

By HARIS ZAMIR
Pakistan & Gulf Economist, Mar 13 - 19, 2006

The effects of the privatization process have been widespread on the bourses in particular and the overall economy in general. With foreign direct investment (FDI) flowing in, the investment scenario is becoming healthier and projecting a refined outlook to further onlookers seeking to invest in emerging economies like that of Pakistan.

It provides a feeling of trust and entices other major foreign investors inactive in this part of the world to turn their heads and follow suit. Money coming in can be better utilized in all walks of human life in the form of government spending utilized for poverty alleviation, infrastructure development, deficit servicing, loans repayments and even further investments — all activities that eventually lead to a positive impact on the GDP which is an indicator of the growth in the economy. It also improves the efficiencies of the privatized entities since they get better managements looking forward to optimize process and escape the wastefulness brought about by the ever present political clout in the government-owned organizations.

Privatization can also be used as a tool to provide some form of monetary incentive to lower income groups by allowing only people belonging to such income cohorts to participate in the IPOs a very good example of which is a recent IPO in the UAE, that allows only teachers to participate.

The effect on the bourses can be seen in the form of increasing activities since privatization is deemed as a very healthy activity by equity investors. Entities in good shape are generally privatized at share prices higher than those that are being traded in the exchanges and when this happens, the prices in the stock market try to stretch to that level. This in turn makes the scrip relatively more attractive and hence the demand increases, further peddling the prices upward.

According to Dr. Hafeez Shaikh, Federal Minister for Privatization, the Commission has fetched nearly Rs 290 billion in three years period, while between 1990 to 2003, the government earned Rs 95 billion.

Azhar Javid, research analyst at WE Financial Services, said that the increase in activity, volumes and prices make a show of strength in the overall market and sentiments become elevated, finally leading to appreciation in other related and even non-related sectors. This is besides the increase in market capitalization brought about by an increase in the number of floating shares, which enter the market through the public offering of privatized institutions. Such movements in the market have been witnessed time and again and very well might continue to do so in the future.

PTCL`s privatization will bring in Rs 155 billion of foreign investment in Pakistan over a period of a few years. The recent successful transactions have been that of KESC, fetching Rs 20.24 billion in November 2005 by selling stakes to a Consortium of Hassan Associates, Al-Jomaih Holding Co. & Premier Mercantile Services. The privatization of other listed entities like PSO, SSGC and SNGPL - all blue chips, is currently underway and is expected to come to its finalization within the first half of the current year.

This however is not a new exercise, as it has been done in the past in the shape of floatation of PTCL vouchers in mid nineties and than offloading of stakes from OGDCL, SSGC, NBP & PPL in early 2000 to create fiscal space for debt retirement. This has contributed massively to the market capitalization and overall free float position of the market. Moreover, the government is encouraging private enterprises and fair market competition by deregulating public utilities in order to bring more efficiency into the system. Giving management rights for smooth functioning of processes on modern lines and contribution in shape of taxes and dividends is the core idea behind the deregulation exercise of PTCL, KESC, HBL, ABL and UBL. On the supply side economics, deregulation of public utilities would go a long way in overhauling the system, balance-sheet restructuring and further capital injection. This would result in improving public services and long-term profitability as being envisaged in the case of PTCL and KESC.

``We have already seen turnaround of state-owned banks such as ABL and UBL in shape of reducing accumulated losses and stock of NPL,`` Shaji said. The case in point is that of UBL, where NPLs have been relegated to mere 2% of the total gross loans as against a massive 54% in 1999. Another case study is that of ABL, which had a negative equity base before SBP, auctioning in mid 2004. Today, with private capital is in place, the overall performance of the bank has made a turnaround wherein the accumulated losses have been reduced to a great extent.

Moreover, as the country is facing an energy shortfall, government is striving to deregulate E&P companies such as PPL and OGDCL as well as T&D companies of SSGC & SNGPL to institute modern technology into the sector in tapping energy resources.

Khalid Iqbal Siddiqui, head of research at Investcapital Securities said that the privatization through stock market has enabled the government to offload shares of various companies at attractive prices, thus earning good profits along the way and also broadening the shareholder base at the stock exchange. For example, the government`s confidence get a boost from the IPO of NBP in 2001, and then offloading shares of Pak Oilfields, when it was unable to sell a 26% stake in a block deal.

The selling creates a benchmark for that particular company and market forces helped government to sell shares on higher prices making huge capital gains out of it. Privatization Commission couple of years back sold shares of OGDC at 32 rupees, raising as much as 6.848 billion rupees. Currently there is market talk that government might sell another 5 percent shares to oil and gas giant at 90 rupees a share, which means they would raise as much as 19 billion rupees, an analyst said.

Muzzamil Aslam, economist at KASB Equities said that the economic deregulation is the broad policy initiative through which the government has decided to abandon the ``business of doing business``. In this process, the divestment/ privatization initiatives of the government received the boost from the deregulation exercise, whereas the government has been able to privatize quite a few large tickets companies like PTCL, NRL, HBL, UBL, ABL, KESC and Pak American Fertilizer. Resultantly, the policy of privatization has set up the advantages for the economy at initial stages; it has eased the government`s burden of managing too much with its limited resources. In the later stages, this should make the de-regulated business more efficient.

Red font color don`t change the fact that the west associates Pakiland and Pakis with islamic terrorism, jihadi and all that..

India : IT
Pakistan: Islamic Terrorism

The human bombs: made in Pakistan

Amir Mir

As the deadly phenomenon of suicide bombings hit Pakistan in the backdrop of the 9/11 terror attacks, as many as 25 human bombs have blown themselves up across Pakistan since March 2002, killing over 300 people and wounding as many as 600 others. With the avowed aim of purging the land of the pure of the forces of the infidels, the new breed of lethal bombers seeks to strike not only the American and Western interests, but also the Shia minority in Pakistan.

American atrocities against Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq are supposed to be the main motivation for most of the bombers. None of the 25 suicide bombers belonged to the country`s elite class: 16 of them belonged to the lower middle class while the remaining nine came from middle class families. Apart from their jihadi mindset, their anti-American sentiments and their poor family background, another thing they had in common was illiteracy.

A careful study of the life history of the suicide bombers shows that most of the attackers belonged to the splinter groups of jihadi or sectarian organisations launched in the wake of the crackdown on militants after the 9/11 terror attacks. The study shows that nearly every suicide bomber was poor, illiterate, and unemployed. Of the 25 attackers, 15 were aged 15-25, seven 25-30, and the remaining three above 30. And not even one of them was a matriculate. Most of the human bombers were affiliated with several sectarian and militant organizations like Lashkar-e-Jangvi (LeJ), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), Harkatul Mujahideen Al-Alami and Harkat-al Jihad-al Islami.

For years, the Pakistani intelligence agencies used to indoctrinate, motivate and train the jihadi cadres for export in the neighbourhood - to Jammu & Kashmir and Afghanistan. Indian-held Kashmir had witnessed the first suicide attacks in 1999 and since then there had been a steady stream of deadly suicide operations. These human bombs had, however, excluded their home ground in Pakistan from the scope of their holy war. But as things stand, there has been a sharp decline in deadly suicide attacks in Jammu Kashmir, with Pakistan apparently emerging as a favoured target of these attacks. Therefore, the human bombs originally designed and nurtured by the Pakistani military and intelligence establishment to rip apart the enemies of Islam and Pakistan are exploding themselves inside their own country and killing their fellow Muslims. Pakistan`s chickens have come home to roost.

The writer is the former editor of Weekly Independent, currently affiliated with Reuters and the Gulf News

This is weird.. The failed state ranking has set pakis chaddis on fire...you`d think a foreign government openly and repeatedly bombing and killing paki civilians on paki soil would have a bigger effect, but no..

#62 by HisExcellency on May 19, 2006 9:34am PT

That`s the best you can do? Articles by pakis saying the FP mag rankings are unjustified because the pakis say so...and articles by pakis saying pakiland is an attractive investment destination...There`s always a ton of articles in the paki press with the headlines ``Pakistan most attractive destination for IT``..click through and you`ll see that`s actually a statement by El-Presidente or shortcut..

A couple ofyears ago you claimed Pakiland`s IT exports were 400-600 million $...You still haven`t produced an iota of proof for that..there`s a ton of articles, even in the paki press, saying Pakiland`s IT exports are ~ 50million $..

your credibility = number invented by Indians...