Prisoner of Conscience or Conscious Prisoner?

#47 actually its only the rituals in religions is what i like, pujas, urs, . the philosophy is what i find suspect. so processions of all kinds are fun, if we allow commies rasta-roko, a colorful ganesh-festival once a year is just great. if FV were in NYC, she would likely complain about nuisance due to Macys parade and FBI harassment of mosque-attendies. i guess this relates in some strange way to VP singh..

Re#49
My contention is FV has different thresholds and different sets of rules for muslims and Hindus ....Her condemnation of public display of religiosity of all religions does not absolve her.other.........anyways ......we are not making much progress on the FV front............


About philosophy...the vedantic philosophy is very simple........explore yourself and seek truth for yourself.........you don`t have to believe in any set of rules........how much freer can you get than this? You don`t like this philosophy also?

I have seen your post mocking at Hindu worship of stones, rivers, etc. Hindu belief is pantheism ....I am sure you know this .........

A person can be good or bad irrespective of what religion he is born into. I am not saying all monotheistic persons are evil......but an illiterate good human being who does no harm to another human being (even if he worships stones and rivers or a million idols) is better than the monotheistic Mohamed Atta who flew into WTC and.......................... Zeena here who posts every other day that there is no religious discrimination whatsoever in her Islamic Republic.

Bharath miaN -- you are a good man -- you should try to cultivate consciously the serenity and understanding of an 80% majority -- not the anxiety and insecurity of an 18% minority....

to answer your question --``My contention is FV has different thresholds and different sets of rules for muslims and Hindus `` -- your contention may be more apparent than real -- because FV is a member of a minority...

.....FV is not a communalist Muslims just the same way you are not a communalist Hindu.

You like me love to criticize the Muslims -- now that doesn`t make you a Hindu communalist because you also criticize the Hindus – even though not as much....:)

re#51,
Hasan sahib,
Although you have tried to .... ....I am afraid you haven`t understood me/us.....I wish things are that simple....as you describe...

{{you should try to cultivate consciously the serenity and understanding of an 80% majority }}}



You should give credit to ``the 18% minority`` for this lack of ``serenity and understanding`` amongst Hindus.........either you haven`t read my posts #46 and #47 and my previous posts or you are unable (unwilling? hopefully not) to understand the gravity of Hindu grievances.


There is a (valid) perception amongst Hindus that despite so much of their good will ...after 60 years..muslims are muslims first and.........Indians may be a distant next.......They came out in massive numbers to protest Bush visit.......I wish 1% of that crowd turned out to protest when some Pakis hijacked Indian Airlines flight and stabbed a newly wed bride-groom. And what did GWB do to India or Indian Muslims? If anything he
used to be full of praise of Indian Muslims...he went back fully chastised.


{{{{{{{You like me love to criticize the Muslims -- now that doesn`t make you a Hindu communalist because you also criticize the Hindus – even though not as much...}}}}}}}

You have raised the same issue several times. Myself, swarrier, and others have addressed this repeatedly, but unfortunately you raise this again.

Casteism and other societal evils are within the community.. we are talking about Hindu vs Muslims issues........ Gujarat riots, Babri Masjid demolition, (attempted) text book revisions..what else do you have?

Despite enormous provocations from Pakistan, BD and internally from intimidatory, identity politics overwhelming majority of Hindus remained secular..........what do we get in return?

PAK-
Relentless jehadi terrorism...eternal hostility..... from Pakistan.........look at this board ..except for you and Salim Bhai I haven`t seen any Paki saying a word of praise for India.....the most disgusting is the attitude that India and Pak are same or India is worse.
If you had 14% Hindu population and if you had a Hindu President (for propaganda sake)..we`ll be interested in Paki opinion on Gujarat riots.

BD-
Ethnic cleansing, ongoing Hindu genocide......we will rather be beggars than let gas pipe line go thru BD to India..we won`t give transit facilities to ``Hindu`` India

IM-
India should vote on an international (IRAN) issue not based on its national security concerns, its own benefits, but based on communal Islamist feelings....and this ``friend`` of India had offered its entire Airforce to Pakistan during the 1971 war..........

ps to #51,
I will admit to one thing.......a lot of self-proclaimed Muslim leaders and Mullah Yadavs, Congressi type ``secular`` leaders exploit the muslim masses and bring more infamy and suffering to the Muslims

... the silence on this article from 1st june 2006 clearly proves the chowkies shallow character. they used to fight amongst themselves to interact on FV articles and a minimum of 300 interacts on an average was par for course...yet #53 seems to be set in stone as of june 1, 2006 at 6:27 pm PT...the day the editor bade her goodbye...not even known side-kicks have bothered to resurrect this article...reminds me of pompeii... a sad reflection on FP interactors...

Re: # 54
Vesuviusji
Not enough meat to fight over. V.P. Singh has been passe for a long time. Will you resurrect him?

#55 yeah...we tried to discuss ferzana but looks like that topic is also a passe.

Re: # 56
Okay to hit 350+ let`s start with discussing a nice chateaubriand medium rare, followed by glass of red and then Khamkwa will provide dessert.

This does belong here. It was the post number 10 below and was deleted only on this board, while all other boards continue to carry it.
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Removing this mirror again would not only augment the ugliness but would also result in a crisis of creeping conscience.

``Yeh bijli raakh kr jaaegi, teray pyaar ki dunyaa
Naa phirr too jee sakay gaa, aur naa tujhh ko maut aaegi``--mubarak begum

Now let the fun begin.