Insurgents at the Gate

Re: #35 by masadi

All this is known stuff for people who don`t regurgitate what the news media feeds them, but read and watch the news discerningly. Jack Straw, the British Foreign Secretary for example, has admitted to the many ``mistakes`` that the British made which are responsible for many of the intractatble problems today. Clinton, for example,, in a publicly broadcast speech in a British Labor party convention admitted that the USA bears a lot of responsibility for problems in Iraq and Iran.

However, this SHOULD have NOTHING to do with any religion. But fanatics like you repeat all this stuff ad-nauseum as if it somehow validates Islam. And of course, these rantings are peppered with lectures on how Islam has already discovered the General and the Special Theories of Relativity.

That is the problem.

For indoctrinated ignorant blind idiots this might be wonderful stuff, but to the normal people you come off as a fanatical idiot.

Give it up. Pick up some other hobby.

#36 I hate to say this - but the posts below make the two pakistani posters (masadi and echoboom) seem like one-track fanatics, while the one from the indian makes a lot of sense. Even Arjun - while blind in his hatred for Pakistanis - is clear-eyed when it comes to understanding the west.

So, what is the problem: is it that too many Pakistanis are blinded by the arrogance of their so-called ``muslim past``? or are they stupid and cant live in peace with anyone. God only knows.

All I know is that Krishna gets it and masadi and echoboom dont.

#37 its something to do with the strength of iman towards deen.

Tayaa jaan Bush and Chacha Jaan Blair are barking, from the white Kennels, at the top of their lungs:`` We want you in Iraq & Afghanistan``!.

But the Mutts from the laal-kurtis of Cantonements & Colonies of Pakiland are yelping & whimpering at the master`s tails: `` We are not finished licking, sniffing, slurping yet chachu Blair, tayoo Bush. We love serving those whosoever is our master``.

``Good mutt nephews, good mutt nephews``! The masters pat the wagging drooling whimpering yelping nephew mutts.


In the meantime.................. the smart ones have free spirits & they condemn & curse the masters of the ones from cantonement kennels of Laal Kurti.

Read on!

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UK Army Deserters on the Rise Over Iraq

``I can`t speak for others but there`s a lot of dissent in the Army about the legality of war,`` said Griffin.

LONDON, May 28, 2006 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – The number of British soldiers deserting military service over the US-led occupation of Iraq has been on the rise with more than 1,000 personnel went absent without leave and failed to return since the beginning of the Iraq war in 2003, the BBC reported Sunday, May 28.
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Military desertions triple since invasion of Iraq
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 29/05/2006)



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The number of servicemen deserting has tripled since the invasion of Iraq, raising fears of a growing refusal to serve on dangerous missions abroad

#26 Krishna_abcd writes <<< All this is known stuff for people who don`t regurgitate what the news media feeds them, but read and watch the news discerningly >>>

You are the one regurgitating official mythology. They admit ``mistakes`` but keep on with the same policies and same agenda. You want me to bow to them for their ``generosity`` in admitting mistakes, when these ``mistakes`` have resulted in death and destruction, country wide and no change has been made in anything? And I sure as hell didn`t use Smedley Butler`s quote to prove Islam, neither am I interested in regurgitating what the corporate media puts out.

And tahmed, you are a hypocrite who views the world and all morality based on your ideological/fanatical attachment to official US mythology and its elite. You have had the audacity to support the colonization of our homelands in the past and call for similar slavery to the West in the present and the future. People like you are the ones whose souls are taineted with the blood of those that were impoverished and butchered by the British, be they Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or whatever, as it is with the blood of those that are being butchered today. What don`t I get? The fact that these barbarians have made life miserable for millions around the globe? Muslims are not the ones who have brought wars and implanted their ``footprint`` across the globe in our era, it is the American elite and one of their own admits it like Smedley Butler in 1933, you get all worked up and blame Islamic fanatics, as if that is the automatic response expected by those fighting a ``war on terror``, these days. How stooped in ignorance are you to come up with this kind of bs response? The ones who cannot live in peace are the ones who go around the globe setting in place a cycle that would ensure no peace. They live off of war, they are addicted to war, their livlihood and their style of life is war; they are your masters, the US elite. I reject them, I condemn them and I will do whatever I can to oppose their viewpoints and mythology whether you like it or not.

#40 by masadi

[You are the one regurgitating official mythology. They admit ``mistakes`` but keep on with the same policies and same agenda. You want me to bow to them for their ``generosity`` in admitting mistakes, when these ``mistakes`` have resulted in death and destruction, country wide and no change has been made in anything?]

No I don`t. You had every right to protest what was indeed an unjustified invasion. And even now - when there is a democratically elected government, and the US troops would leave if only the insurgents would stop killing fellow Iraqis - even now you are perfectly within your rights to make a political case for condemning U.S. policies. And you can always condemn Bush & Co. for their lack of public repentence etc. But your kind of attitude is only getting more innocent Muslims killed with car bombs every day, and depriving the Middle East from the an excellent chance for making progress in the direction of democracy. Now how is that a smart thing to do?

And there is no need to feel insulted about obtaining democracy from others. Different cultures and people forge ahead of others at different times. Iraq, for example, was far ahead of the West at one time. And could be again. The Americans are less sensitive about these things for example. You are sensistive, but they don`t even think of these things. All they care about is the almighty dollar.

And of course, you have no business dragging religion into all this. And giving endless lectures of how that therefore proves and validates Islam. And supplying us with absolute proof that Islam discovered spintronics.

That`s all.

Results of the Second Round

krishna: 10
masadi + echosqueek = 0 + 0 = 0


PS: masadi the idiot - dont cuss the umpire!!

Dear Masadi,

Here is how i read colonial history of the middle-east.

Kalifa from Constantinople colonized the place for 400 years, and placed corrupt sunni governors to rule and keep the populance in ignorance while the europe raced to enlightenment. then oil was ``invented`` by the west and middle-east wants to take it away from the world.

do you see anything wrong in this?

Iraq was completely isolated and was under complete control of a dictator................ OBL tried to communalize the world polity............. indians know very well how communalists work and turn a street brawl into a communal riot......this time the US tasted the full fury from the communalists who are trying to communalize the Iraq occupation into a communal war between the iraqi muslims and the US christian whites.........Pakistanis are by default propagators of communal form of TNT and obviously feel great affininty to the communal politics being practiced by OBL and his cronies.......................I am sure Pakistani parliament would ultimately pay its respects to OBL when he is also killed in a similar missile attack.....................

why are some ppl here so agressively crusading for either the americans or the iraqis.After reading the prose , i dont think tht josiah and badr should be slotted according to their religion , race or nationality , they are just 2 individuals , ordinary ppl like you and me , who would defend themselves if needed, who are dutiful and who want peace in this world.
So let there be PEACE

well written Shahid
keep up the good work

Jang in #43 <<< Dear Masadi,

Here is how i read colonial history of the middle-east. >>>

You are entitled to your ignorance. The modern middle east has less to do with corrupt governors, than it has to do with the economic decline of the Area after the British discovered an alternative route to India and the trickery by the European colonials of the indigeneous elite as reflected in the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916.

They didn`t ``discover`` the oil, they stumbled across it, and considering how important it was in their ``new economy`` and the conduct of war, they practically took over rights to the entire area and have been exploiting it ever since.

Krishna abcd writes in #41 <<< And there is no need to feel insulted about obtaining democracy from others >>>

The US is not interested in democracy in the region. Democracy would result in Arab unity, and a total exit of western economic dominance and eventual withering away of the state of Israel. The US corporate elite would rather drag the US presidents through the streets of Washington than have any democracy in the ME.

#46 i said they ``invented`` oil, not ``discovered`` it..its not oil but the machines/tech that use, extract and refine the oil that is invented. there is no stubling here.

anyhoo, you have conviniently NOT answered about 400 years of brutal, medieval colonial rule.

Re: # 46

Masadi saab,

>>>>The US is not interested in democracy in the region. Democracy would result in Arab unity, and a total exit of western economic dominance and eventual withering away of the state of Israel.<<<<<

I start with a disclaimer. I support no US/Israel domination anywhere. We know that the US had a history of siding with dictators, when it suits them.

The arab states and muslims states are not held back by anybody. It`s due to the reasons of history and heritage of the muslim world. The arab states are the successors of the tribal/clan-type monarchies. The US cant ask King Abdullah to give awy his power. Can they?

The wealth the arabs enjoy is due to the inventions made by the Europeans during Industrail Revolution and thereafter and the invention of aeroplanes by Americans.

Who stops Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan becmoing one state, to begin with. Similarly who stops Indnesia, Malaysia and Brunie becoming one state? I think it`s in the minds of theorists like you that there is this big satan holding Muslim states back. Na.

How the state of Israel would wither away? Again a wishful thinking. Even Abbas doesn`t think this way (I am thinking in a Long-term view but not the day to day happenings in the Middle East).