Blowing Up People and Property is Not Islam

#179 by masadi

Look at their hypocrisy, out of the $94.5 BILLION emergency war spending bill for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US gave $60 million towards a UN peace-keeping force for Darfur.

Oh so you`re appalled at the piddly US funding for the UN peace-keeping force in Darfur? How many million dollars have Muslim governments across the world spent for it? Okay, forget it and answer this, how many have at least condemned the atrocities there?

#178 behram writes <<< To have such boldness requires brains and a lot of these types have none. Even in social gatherings these types are afraid of being introspective.. >>

Since when has following the official line, cheerleading for the US and kissing GWB`s A$$ considered ``bold`` and something that required ``brains``. What introspection? I am not an Arab, I do not believe in the theology espoused by the Khartoum Government, neither am I supporting them, in fact the US government has been cosying up to them recently- maybe they were promised a slice of the oil pie in the region. Who knows

Taking away the Khartoum government will not end the problems facing Africa or even their own country, the US brings it up as distraction, human suffereing for them is always background noise, the proposed sanctions would produce even greater misery for the poorest of the poor. Look at their hypocrisy, out of the $94.5 BILLION emergency war spending bill for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US gave $60 million towards a UN peace-keeping force for Darfur. IT does not require much math skills to conclude where their priorities are, not to mention how understandable it is for the Sudan government to resist all non African union troops because the UN more often than not acts like the whore of the US, when on the ground in a different country.

Following the official line does not require much brains or boldness, going against the official distractions often does.

Re#175 by Kulharee on June 15, 2006 7:33pm PT

You are absolutely right when you suggest {You will never hear any of these Jokers (Masadi and alike) to talk about the Darfur genocide. }

To have such boldness requires brains and a lot of these types have none. Even in social gatherings these types are afraid of being introspective, especially when a non-muslim is in the group. These types are still stuck in the sand dunes.

Respectfully submitted,

#175 Kulharee writes <<< Brother Salim .. I feel exactly like you do. Ummah is in a deep denial and refuses to believe that any of her sons can commit such acts. Some jokers come up with US elite theory and some others come up with some other bologna. >>>

A.H. do you even think about what you`re writing? The fact that the ``ummah``- whatever you mean by it is denying it proves that they are appaled at these acts. If these acts produce such aversion in the Muslims then for sure the ideology that this ``ummah`` is following, whatever it be cannot be to blame.

You blurt out stupidity like a damn fool and deny actual scholarship on these problems using slogans and other garbage. Whenever the West has brought up issues regarding human rights it has done so for ulterior motives and now it brings Sudan up for the same reason. Fox News has been at the forefront of ``covering`` this even as they wrap the barbarism going on in Iraq neatly in the flag and shout down all dissent. They do not care about displacement- they were willing to displace millions in Afghanistan and Iraq, that didn`t change their war plans, they don`t care about ethnic cleansing either,- though there is no proof that the ethnic identity is as strong in the Darfur situation as they are claiming it to be- they stood down as the widescale murder- traced back to colonial division of groups- was happening in Rwanda, and now in the civil war if the other side was doing most of the killing they would similarly brush it aside. They didn`t care when they bombed the pharmaceutical plant in Sudan, for showmanship, on which over a third of the population of Sudan was dependent upon, they didn`t care about any ``cleansing`` then did they? They talk about ethnic cleansing while butchering Arabs in Iraq and imprisoning African Americans at home, killing them violently at several times the rate of the whites at young ages, and they have the audacity to talk about Sudan.

There are problems in Sudan and Africa much larger than Darfur, they have to do with the economic condition of Africa and its division- both maintained by the neo-colonials through a debt chokehold after draining every drop of sweat and blood and resources they could extract from it during colonial times; sub saharan Africa is going through a catastrophie of disease, over 27 million adults of working age have AIDS, even as these Western pharmaceutical companies are blocking the manufacture of cheap generic meds for all, they are more concerned with profit, have you ever seen this media make these root problems a priority? You want me to take what these elite consider important for distraction and ulterior motives and ignore the wider context in which Africa is being bled to death? I will not do that, there are many forums for them to spout their BS, I will use the little space that I have to struggle for to get the clear message of institutionalized barbarism in the world system for which the US elite and their neo colonial friends hold exclusive responsibility.

Re: # 173
Tahmed sirjee
I cannot compare. I`m not into cheese. -)

Re: # 169

Brother Salim .. I feel exactly like you do. Ummah is in a deep denial and refuses to believe that any of her sons can commit such acts. Some jokers come up with US elite theory and some others come up with some other bologna. No one admits that it could be the faith that is responsible for creating such monsters by the dozens. Look at the joker Zarkawi, what reason, if any, did he have to worry about Iraqis??? For crying out loud, more Muslims are butchered by the systematic ethnic cleansing by the Sudanese Arabs of the Sudanese Africans? It is more about who licks Wahabis azhole more to get 72 fairskined virgins in hell. Son of friggin bytches.

You will never hear any of these Jokers (Masadi and alike) to talk about the Darfur genocide.

Saima Shah #167 you write The annals of history will notice the resistance as a two paragraph entry in the beginning of the millineum.

Resistance to what and by whom? Fundamentally, the issue is one of taking power from rulers and giving it to the people. The Divine Right of Kings was taken away in Europe and by the American Revolution a couple of centuries ago. In India, it was replaced by the departing brits with a democratic government. In muslim countries, calls for a Caliphate or Islamic State are nothing more than the Divine Right of Kings being used to deny muslims the right to a democratic government.

I will agree that this ``resistance`` (as you call these feverish attempts to maintain kingships by exploiting religion) is doomed - it goes against the tide of history. In fact, it will ultimately amount to nothing more than a footnote in history.

swarrier jee #166 You had to be ``told`` that? ;-)

``Do you eat pork? Does HamidM? Does Farzana? I doubt it. If not, is it beacuse of religion or because of health?``(iyf)

well I eat pork not because of religion but because of health.......:)

Re: # 167

`` Independence of Pakistan from India .... ``

WTF? Is that what you people learn at the madrasa?

Re: # 148

``if an Indian ridiculed hindu customs like hamidm ridicules muslim customs, ...``

In my opinion, one way to see who `ridicules` their own customs more, is to look at their dietary habits. That is, Hindus eating beef vs muslims eating pork. My guess is number of chowk hindus who eat beef is greater than the number of chowk pakis who eat pork.

Do you eat pork? Does HamidM? Does Farzana? I doubt it. If not, is it beacuse of religion or because of health?

Just remember that pork is the other white meat and you can`t get mad cow disease from pork.

KK Ghori {``The arrests, last week in Toronto, of 17 mostly Muslim youths, some barely in their teens, should be a wakeup call for the Muslims of Canada,``}

Ghori Sahib,
How many fricking wake up calls do we need? After a dozen or more attempts it`s time to let the poor slob sleep it off. He had no intention of getting up and will never get up, unless you throw some very cold water on his torso or burn his ass in grass.

It`s over. The damage has been done. The only unity Muslims display is the universal hatred for all of them by the remaining four fifths of humanity.

Let`s declare bankruptcy, change our name, open under new management, and this time watch how we raise our kids. Oh yes, disband ISNA, ICNA, CHICKNA, and CAIR for a new beginning.

By the way, a very good article and I mostly agree with your viewpoint. I just think that nobody in the world cares anymore. Muslims will destroy Islam all by themselves and don`t need any help from outsiders and kaffirs.

Re: # 155

LOL!!! and you have the audacity to demand evidence. And here I was thinking that you were one of more balanced ones and actually giving a lot of respect for your views.

Thank you. I now have you ``properly`` classified. You do not have to worry about hearing from me any longer.

Re: # 75

Dear HP,

Even if we do not group religion with ideology, you will see that religion has been invoked to resist imperialism or colonization prior to the current resistance. Independence of Pakistan from India was ideologically premised on religious identity/control of resources. So was the Afghanistan resistance to Soviet occupation. Palestine and Israel is also a religion/land based conflict. And if we group religion with ideology, there are many conflicts, such as USSR and US. I am of the opinion that religious ideology and/or cultural ideology aren`t that different and if so, it would mean that the war on terrorism is a war between Christainity/Judaism and Islam (Ann Coulter the brashly unapologetic conservative writer would agree). However, this time around the crusades are between people highly dependent on each other economically which add many dimensions to the conflict e.g., resistance of imperialism, resource war etc. But religious ideology is how Republican US sees it and this is how fundamentalist Muslims see it. The rest of us including the more neutral countries are relegated to a backseat where we watch as these people fight, unable to do much other than wring our hands over how racist we are or how racist they are. As time passes and North America`s dependencies increase on China and India, similar conflicts might arise between them and USA which would be surpressed in the same way. Islamic fundamentalism can`t really go very far. Without a rational debate or charismatic ideas it is a fire in the bottom of a well, which will die a sad and painful death. The annals of history will notice the resistance as a two paragraph entry in the beginning of the millineum.

Re: # 164
Tahmed
[And what you write about Indians would be funny if it wasnt so true, at least with respect to chowk Indians. ]

But it`s still funny isn`t it? C`mon smile. Say ``cheese``.
Or ``sex``.
I`m told that`s better.-)

VRV #150 Appreciate your comments. As you say, see you on some other board. :-)