Blowing Up People and Property is Not Islam

For the sake of record ( for the people who falsify things eg. Zeemax).

Today`s Metro newspaper in UK.

`` A passenger airline with more than 200 people on board had to be escorted to the ground by fighter planes after two pilots allegedly took a nap at the controls (cockpit). The Vietnamese Airlines Being 777 plane went out of contact as it flew over Eastern Europe. Fully armed CZekh fighter planes were scrambled to intercept the plane......``.

Therefore the earlier kahaani by zeemax that pilots work only for takeoff and landing is a bogus claim.

zeemax,

the fact that 4 or more of these guys had flight training in the us and were in contact with each other (chapter 7 of the 9/11 commission report details), their presence on those 4 flights, phone calls from the planes on 9/11, along with the confessions of khalid sheikh mohd and ramzi binalshibh is convincing enough for me. you can clutch at the straws if you want.

Re: # 204

Zeemax has another theory that he`d discuss it next.

Osama, Zawahari, Mullah Omar and Zarqawi are against Islam and were infact Amercan agents. They are paid to tarnish Islam bi the CIA. Hai naa zeemax jee?

aquaris #208 And what makes you think there is something odd in a building falling ``within 13 seconds`` (as you put it) when hit by a plane flying at high speed and loaded with jet fuel that explodes on impact?

By this ``reasoning``, every bomb blast done by islamic terrorists would be a western conspiracy since it causes damage ``within 13 seconds`` to buildings around it.

No wait dont tell me why you think this - Let me tell you: This is what we may call ``Muslim Denial``. This is because too many muslims (you and zeemax and masadi on chowk, e.g.) refuse to acknowledge the cancer in our midst. This is the cancer of mullahism (or maudoodism, to be more precise). If we muslims dont fight it, it will hurt only muslim societies (as it already has, in many different ways). No one else. The rest of the world knows quite well how to deal with these fanatics.

I dont want to start an argument. Just hoping that you will reflect on this sometime.

Re: # 204


...And he placed there delibertely...
So as it may not inconviene the investigators .........

Give me a Break...!!
all the building.... Three... yes ..three... fell like Nine Pins....and in form of a controlled demolition.... within 13 Secs....at Max....
..Download and re-view the video from CNN... Not from any conspiracy theory site...but from CNN....and count the Secs....

#205

Yaar axey, bouncing monkeys are no threat - the real problem is that many of the ``monkeys`` seem to have full control of the ISI from where they seem to have a grip on the nation - that monkey-claw firmly encompassing, gripping, and crushing the oval-shaped vulnerable twins while their righful owners squirm in misery and pain!

zeemax: With respect to ``false dilemmas``, it is you who equated the idea that it was muslims who hit those planes full of people into buildings full of office workers with belief in Santa Claus. I on the other hand am far more relevant when I compare your views to those of holocaust deniers.

Please stay honest with me if you wish to have a discussion. Dont try to be too clever with me. When 9/11 happened, my first prayer was for the people whom I knew must have died when those buildings collapsed. My second prayer was ``God, dont let this be the deed of some muslim fanatics``. But I have a responsibility to use my eyes and brains - and the bitter conclusion is that there is no doubt that it was islamic fanatics and ben laden behind this deed. So, instead of trying to be clever with me - I suggest you try to be honest with yourself. That is all I have to say.

Arbis (Saudis in particular) have accepted that their native sons were brainwashed by their own Wahabi establishment to become the human bombs. Not only the acceptance of blame, but they have also moved on, with over 2000 Saudis terrorists killed by it’s own Police. Now the interesting part is that the log is up only Pakis’asses (such as the ones jumping here on Chowk) who see themselves as the great defenders of Islam, while the rest of the Ummah (aka a bunch of jokers) see them nothing more than a cheap circus monkey. It is evident by the ranks of Al-Qdooda where no Paki has reached any higher office, such as the ones held by Abu Pishab and Abu Misry.

Must be real painful to carry the load of the entire Ummah on one’s shoulders. As of a few months ago, Pakis under the age of 40 are barred from Saudi Visa for Umrah or Haj. And you guys blame the CIA for that? Get your heads out of sand and accept your lower status and move on. No need to sell nukes to Iran because you will be first victims of Iranian nukes for what you are doing to Shias in your jokerlands.

Re: # 203 zeemax {``... state your evidence, circumstantial or factual, to support the theory that there were 19 haijackers on 9/11...``}

What are you some kind of a conspiracy theory bafoon?

Don`t you remember there was REAL and CONCRETE evidence right outside on the street amongst the charred rubble of the WTC. There in plain sight was Mohammad Atta`s passport which the FBI recovered along with a copy of the Quran and a Flight Instructor`s Manual on the dash board of the car the terrorists were driving. What more proof do you need?????? tahmed, hamidm, arjun, harish et al are right... stop bitching and moaning about such cuckooland conspiracies, the PROOF is there, you just need eyes of faith to see it.

...SR

#202 by tahmed32

tahmed, you are following the classic method of creating `false dilemmas` to sidetrack the issue which you are unable to out-reason. The debate at hand is not nazis/holocaust, or london bombings, or chinese/russian communists. It`s simply whether or not some 19 arabs did 9/11.

Now, kindly state your evidence, circumstantial or factual, to support the theory that there were 19 haijackers on 9/11. If you`re not able to, I`ll just let you off because not only you have no evidence but neither doess anyone else! While there`re reams of evidence supporting the theory that there were `no` hijackers.

zeemax #200 and #201 yes and yes. I also believe that the Nazis put innocent people in concentration camps and then killed them. And....guess what...I also think that the London bombings were done by muslims. I am even so naive as to actually believe the administration story that the Chinese and Russian Communists killed millions of people who did not think that communism was the greatest thing since God created sex and sliced bread.

Boy, how naive of me, right?!! :-)

tahmed32,

Does the 19 arabs story make more sense? If it does then I must be santa claus and you must be St. Peter.

tahmed32,

Does the Admin story make more sense?

zeemax #198 What you have stated is the muslim version of holocaust denial. Makes no sense at all.

#196 by arjun_m

9/11 commission had this insight back in October 2001 with the publication of the french book by Thierry Meyssan titled L`Effroyable imposture, or the ``Appalling Fraud.`` It was called 9/11: The Big Lie in its American edition.

The commission had no choicve but to reinforce Admin`s version.

As for Usama, he never claimed responsibility after the attacks. In fact he denied it categorically. Noone has claimed responsibility till date. Some vague remarks regarding some 20th hijacker have been attributed to Usama and made to appear as a confession.

Fact is, Usama was never capable of organising such a sophisticated operation. Truck bombs into embassies and explosive boats into ships, yes, but not four planes acting like cruise missiles evading the entire Norad airspace and tearing the heart out of USA. Some power much more diabolical than Usama did it.

Dear bjk #195 {``Dear Salim, why this note of despondence in your recent interacts (post June 9)? Frankly, your ``sober`` ones were better.
... As long as there is ONE Muslim with rational thoughts - and I am convinced that the vast majority IS that way, although less vocal than the fringe elements - well, as long as there is one such person, then the good Islam is still around - and let nobody make you feel otherwise. ...I hope everything is going well with the soon to happen new arrival! ``}

Dear bjk bhai,
Thank you very much for your concern. You are right about my gloomy outlook. Lately, with all the self-inflicted and grotesque misery of Muslim victims at the hands of Muslim murderers is becoming too much to take. Darfur, Iraq, Kashmir, and even the Pakistani cruelty in not repatriating its own ``stranded`` citizens makes you wonder if so many Muslims are not the real and actual threat to Islam. We can try to blame Modi and Thackeray, Bush and Blair, Sharon/Olmert and Advani, but the bottom line is that in numbers and sheer barbarity they take a back seat to bin Laden, Zawahiri, Zarqawi, and numerous others. The recent nose choppings, beheading, and slicing of old men and women by Kashmiri jihadists just goes to show that compassion is lost among numerous so-called Muslim extremists.

On a positive note, my daughter should arrive in mid-September. Thank you for asking.