ahmad hayat June 20, 2006
#27 Posted by khurram on June 21, 2006 6:04:53 am
The footnote that claimed this article was non-fiction has been removed.
If this is indeed non-fiction then Chowk Staff has a responsibility to alert the authorities and provide them with all the help to trace this killer.
If this is indeed non-fiction then Chowk Staff has a responsibility to alert the authorities and provide them with all the help to trace this killer.
#26 Posted by Faraz-Ahmed on June 21, 2006 5:54:58 am
Hypocrisy and duplicity at its best but no doubt excellent effort to defame Pakistani cultural roots.Studying at a Govt funded university and then going abroad on a Govt funded Higher studies program and yet still finding faults with this society....Way to go...
#25 Posted by SecretGarden on June 21, 2006 5:52:49 am
What are you trying to prove from your OWN SELF MADE imagination of Paki gulz, Infact what could one expects from a person like you (who even dont know the exact meaning of Modesty),,,,,,,,,living in pure land,,,,,trying to expoit the image of all Paki gulz,on the basis of mere a few gulz whom u met as PASS TIME(surely a person looks for one,just like him), Paki gulz are far more Modest than ur expectations, if u dont think so ,keep ur dirt Look on Franchies.............
#24 Posted by ShoreSahib on June 21, 2006 4:51:08 am
Re: Wasif2
Dr. Khalid Sohail`s illuminati effect is so not desired. No offense Doctor jee!
Its interesting, that men who have sex with men can chock it up to an inavailability of women. They do not own up to their attraction/lust/love for the person of the same sex. Unless and until you are in an all male prison, that logic is not valid. And even then sex in prisons is more about control, dominance, male egos and rape.
This morality you talk about has little to do with capitalism and more to do with the middle class. This middleclass morality is not a means to assuage the guilt of capitalism, but guilt stemming from so many other pertinent factors such as tradition, religion, gender, money, sexual politik, etc.
Dr. Khalid Sohail`s illuminati effect is so not desired. No offense Doctor jee!
Its interesting, that men who have sex with men can chock it up to an inavailability of women. They do not own up to their attraction/lust/love for the person of the same sex. Unless and until you are in an all male prison, that logic is not valid. And even then sex in prisons is more about control, dominance, male egos and rape.
This morality you talk about has little to do with capitalism and more to do with the middle class. This middleclass morality is not a means to assuage the guilt of capitalism, but guilt stemming from so many other pertinent factors such as tradition, religion, gender, money, sexual politik, etc.
#23 Posted by haji004 on June 21, 2006 2:44:56 am
hi everybody!
First of all why this ``Stuka`` guy keeps asking if I am Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta or some other gibberishesque alphabet? I am not Charlie. I am not Alpha, Bravo or Delta for that matter. My name is Ahmad Hayat. Same for you ``antihypochrist``...you can be ``anti hippopotamus`` while you are at it...and who by the way is ``Charlie``???
Yeh Charlie Charlie kya hay? Yeh Charlie Charlie...
For the rest, Thanks for the commentry people. Generated not quite the reponse I was hoping for. The interact by ``pseudoiltellect`` is exceptional though.
First of all why this ``Stuka`` guy keeps asking if I am Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta or some other gibberishesque alphabet? I am not Charlie. I am not Alpha, Bravo or Delta for that matter. My name is Ahmad Hayat. Same for you ``antihypochrist``...you can be ``anti hippopotamus`` while you are at it...and who by the way is ``Charlie``???
Yeh Charlie Charlie kya hay? Yeh Charlie Charlie...
For the rest, Thanks for the commentry people. Generated not quite the reponse I was hoping for. The interact by ``pseudoiltellect`` is exceptional though.
#44 Posted by Charlie on June 21, 2006 11:22:29 am
Re: # 23
Yaar, mera naam Charlie hay... Samjhay.
Yaar Stukay, It is not me but my batch mate at my university in pakistan.
I think Ahmed, at the end of the story, has exaggerated too much.
There is no need to go to Peshawar for Charas. In Lahore, you can find it on dozen of places...
however, blunt and emotionless tone of the article...
Yaar, mera naam Charlie hay... Samjhay.
Yaar Stukay, It is not me but my batch mate at my university in pakistan.
I think Ahmed, at the end of the story, has exaggerated too much.
There is no need to go to Peshawar for Charas. In Lahore, you can find it on dozen of places...
however, blunt and emotionless tone of the article...
#52 Posted by haji004 on June 21, 2006 2:48:02 pm
Re: # 44
Charlie bhai main aapko jaanta hay pehchaanta hay...zara stuka khan kay saath jokem baazee kur raha tha...
Charlie bhai main aapko jaanta hay pehchaanta hay...zara stuka khan kay saath jokem baazee kur raha tha...
#53 Posted by Charlie on June 21, 2006 3:05:29 pm
Re: # 52
Chal, Good hay keh tu apun ko abhi nahin bhoola... :)
Aur suna, how many french bachies have got the honor to sleep with you so far? Now don`t tell me keh itni franseesi nahin aati keh bachion say lift li ja sakay... Ya yeh keh engineering departmens main bachi mahol nahin hota...
*One of Pakistanis turned red (mashriqiat say) while telling me that his class mate has asked him the question: ``voulez vous coucher avec moi? ``... Kissi bachi nay tujh say yeh sawal poocha?
Chal, Good hay keh tu apun ko abhi nahin bhoola... :)
Aur suna, how many french bachies have got the honor to sleep with you so far? Now don`t tell me keh itni franseesi nahin aati keh bachion say lift li ja sakay... Ya yeh keh engineering departmens main bachi mahol nahin hota...
*One of Pakistanis turned red (mashriqiat say) while telling me that his class mate has asked him the question: ``voulez vous coucher avec moi? ``... Kissi bachi nay tujh say yeh sawal poocha?
#22 Posted by burpinder on June 21, 2006 2:37:39 am
The sheer amorality of the protagonist expressed rather phlegmatically in the first person had me riveted till the end. Great work, A. Hayat! We look forward to more of your hopefully fictionalised accounts!
#21 Posted by paindupastry on June 21, 2006 1:12:50 am
fact or fiction.....it had me shell shocked and reading till the very end.
good work!
good work!
#20 Posted by harish_hyd on June 21, 2006 12:14:43 am
Yaar Ahmad Hayat, this piece is one of the best, candid, honest and blunt.
#19 Posted by wasif2 on June 21, 2006 12:04:09 am
# 16
Please read ``How did he know if you will cross Attock``
instead of
``How did you know....``
thanks.
#18 Posted by wasif2 on June 20, 2006 11:59:52 pm
Mr Ahmad Hayat
Plz dont listen to these confused moralists. Capitalism, which all these people love, cherish and strive for, is a system that believes in the survival of the fittest. Morality is an add on thats been invented (by religion or otherwise) to address the guilt that comes from subscribing to an animal system like capitalism.
Your piece, I insist, is most wonderful.
Plz dont listen to these confused moralists. Capitalism, which all these people love, cherish and strive for, is a system that believes in the survival of the fittest. Morality is an add on thats been invented (by religion or otherwise) to address the guilt that comes from subscribing to an animal system like capitalism.
Your piece, I insist, is most wonderful.
#17 Posted by Nadia_Zehra. on June 20, 2006 11:58:25 pm
None of the TV channels in Pakistan have a loose real comical standard that they broadcast such news..All public/private tv news are tamed like our desi PTV and in my life I never heard any such news:
`` Both of us followed the news that night quite keenly and the prostitute story came into my knowledge courtesy of a TV channel. ``
They always wrap the news very nicely and such issues only get highlighted on newspapers..
Dear writer first take a grip on deep down neurological and logical roots of Pakistani culture then defame it through your pen then that would be a cutting edge..anyways nice attempt
`` Both of us followed the news that night quite keenly and the prostitute story came into my knowledge courtesy of a TV channel. ``
They always wrap the news very nicely and such issues only get highlighted on newspapers..
Dear writer first take a grip on deep down neurological and logical roots of Pakistani culture then defame it through your pen then that would be a cutting edge..anyways nice attempt
#16 Posted by wasif2 on June 20, 2006 11:55:25 pm
But Mr Ahmad Hayat, I have two questions.
One, why didnt the baarra shopkeeper alert the post right outside baarra on jamrud road ? Why on Attock sixty five miles away ? And how did you know if you will cross Attock at all or when you will cross it ? I mean, the story doesnt say that you told the shopkeeper that you were from the Punjab...in fact your friend was pakhtoon.
Two, you say
``This Namak Mandi dinner is the sole reason of my being, as you would discover in a few lines space``
Perhaps I missed something, but how was the Namak Mandi dinner the sole reason for your being ? Because that meant you left Peshawar late and could murder conveniently at 2-00 a.m ???
Plz do explain.
One, why didnt the baarra shopkeeper alert the post right outside baarra on jamrud road ? Why on Attock sixty five miles away ? And how did you know if you will cross Attock at all or when you will cross it ? I mean, the story doesnt say that you told the shopkeeper that you were from the Punjab...in fact your friend was pakhtoon.
Two, you say
``This Namak Mandi dinner is the sole reason of my being, as you would discover in a few lines space``
Perhaps I missed something, but how was the Namak Mandi dinner the sole reason for your being ? Because that meant you left Peshawar late and could murder conveniently at 2-00 a.m ???
Plz do explain.
#15 Posted by Lyalpur2Del on June 20, 2006 11:48:33 pm
I am really amazed at the stupidity of the chowk staff!!! how could they allow such crap to be published?
mr. ahmed hayat..you should have written the age range for the readers of this article..
15-18 yrs of age...sadly even you were older than that..when you did all these stupid things.
If you had sex with those girls you should remember it as a nice experience..you should not look down upon those girls now..they did not do anything more stupid or decadent than what you did..
try and understand that..and try giving women some respect...if you look at this world in such ugly way..you will become and remain ugly inside, the world is full of beautiful people and beutiful things....but people like you obsess on the negative stuff all the time..
one day you will grow up..if you were 22 when this happened..i hope it was not long time back..because if you have grown much older than that and yet have not grown up..god help you.
btw,..do you know those policemen, however obnoxious they might have looked to you..might have had kids waiting at home?...just like you will have..one day ..that is if you show enough respect to some woman so as to marry her!!
mr. ahmed hayat..you should have written the age range for the readers of this article..
15-18 yrs of age...sadly even you were older than that..when you did all these stupid things.
If you had sex with those girls you should remember it as a nice experience..you should not look down upon those girls now..they did not do anything more stupid or decadent than what you did..
try and understand that..and try giving women some respect...if you look at this world in such ugly way..you will become and remain ugly inside, the world is full of beautiful people and beutiful things....but people like you obsess on the negative stuff all the time..
one day you will grow up..if you were 22 when this happened..i hope it was not long time back..because if you have grown much older than that and yet have not grown up..god help you.
btw,..do you know those policemen, however obnoxious they might have looked to you..might have had kids waiting at home?...just like you will have..one day ..that is if you show enough respect to some woman so as to marry her!!
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