Ayaan Ali Hirsi and the Big Bad Wolf

Bina,

What dismays me about muslims and Islam is NOT Taliban and fundoos like Osama.....

But, ``educated``, ``freethinkers``, ``liberals`` like you. What dishonesty!

Such pettiness - instead of indulging in Hirsa`s application - who hasn`t lied on an application......

Why can`t your or don`t you spend energy on criticising the stagnant and evil practices of Islam/muslims?

#343 Dont give me this ``reason you have been called a ``closet mullah```` bullshit!!

You said I was a closet mullah. I told you to cut and paste what one needs to write to qualify for this honor.

You have failed to do that.

Thus proving that it is you who is hiding in the closet. And I`ll tell you what it is: Because you are afraid to come out and say that all it takes to become an evil ``mullah`` in your eyes (and for the rest of your kind from the hate ridden environment you were raised in) is to refuse to disrespect a religion.

And despite what people like you raised in the cesspool of hatred in India like to think, ``Muslim`` is not a dirty word for the rest of the world.

Re: # 344

tahmed:

even after all those posts, if you choose to remain blindfolded, then so be it.

as i said earlier, i can bring you to the water, i can`t drink it for you

bye bye ``closet mullah``..............


also, this is your latest eg. ``So maybe Lord Churchill wasnt right all of the time.``

yeah..... churhill was also a hindoo who was taught to hate muslims.

nasah #341 Churchill also referred to Gandhi is a half-naked faqir. Didnt mean Gandhi was improperly dressed, nor does it mean that he was a beggar. He also said he wasnt going to preside of the end of the British Empire. And he ended up not presiding over anything when he lost elections and the British decided to say goodbye to their Empire.

So maybe Lord Churchill wasnt right all of the time.

Raw -- where did you get this gem of Chuchillian qoute -- that stuttering Imperialist son of of a beech seemed to know the Muslims inside out --

a giant of English prose his insightful description of Muslim Psyche in a few weighty and precise sentences is simply awe inspiring -- no wonder the diehard colonialist wanted His Majesty to stay in the subcontient for ever.....

``How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.``

couldn`t be a better description of Osama bin Laden and his kind of Islam

``The effects are apparent in many countries:
Improvident habits,
slovenly systems of agriculture,
sluggish methods of commerce,
and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.``

``A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

``a degraded sensulaism`` -- of a Muslim man -- that incites him to force the woman to cover up -- what a majestic phrase and so accurate...!

``The fact that in Mohammedans law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery......until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.``

Couldn`t describe Muslim misogyne any better...

``Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.`` -- 100% unblemished truth...!

``No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.`` -- 200% true..!

``Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith.`` -- 300% true

``It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising FEARLESS WARRIORS at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall,........``

What an insightful man! -- each and every characterization of the Muslims done so long ago is right on the target -- when there was no Jihadism disease as rampant as it is now -- he even predicted the upcoming Jihadi frenzy and its war with the West!!

the most marvellous observation is that SCIENCE will protect West from Islam -- SCIENCE as THE weapon of Exorcism for Christian West to ward off Islam -- (as if Islam was/is an evil spirit trying to possess West) -- funny but how accurate!

It also defines and illuminates the meaning of Islamization as an antithesis of Science and REASON.-- as never before....

Raw you have done a great service to Chowk -- if there are any more Churchillian passages on Islam please post it on Chowk....

as a sworn anti colonialist I hated the imperialist bastard all my life but – for once his astute weighty uniquely accurate observations on Islam and Muslims -- make me revise my opinion of the guy – give a new respect for the intellect of the man who saved the world from Fascism --

Churchill was indeed a great writer and a great observer of people their cultures and their countries....despite his narrow diehard colonial politics….

Kulharee #338 Please dont make fun of the inmates.

hamidm: you keep referring to me as an ``apologist`` for Islam, or a ``muslim apologist``.

Where do you see me apologizing for being a muslim? I am in fact very comfortable with being a muslim.

You say I am an apologist for ``Islam`s excesses`` (I will ignore the irrationality inherent in attributing animate actions to inanimate concepts): Where do you see me apologizing for any excess? How many times do I need to condemn the abuse of women (irrespective of ``reason`` given, religious or otherwise) before you will finally get it?? Or is it simply more convenient to refuse to acknowledge what I am saying?

echosqueek: Time for your afternoon pills, I think.

Time to put the KanjarRs under the guises of Secularoon, Liberaloon, & Munafiquoon under shariah law.

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Religions unite to bash gays

Wednesday, 05 July 2006

PETER HACKNEY

In a rare display of religious unity, Christians, Jews and Muslims have united to condemn plans to hold World Pride 2006 in Israel.

The queer pride event is scheduled to run from August 6-12 in Jerusalem, a city of great religious significance for all three faiths. 365gay.com reports that religious representatives have called on political leaders to ban the event and have threatened participants with violence.

The Jerusalem Post reported that The Vatican’s representative to Israel, Monsignor Antonio Franco, met with Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski to demand that the city stop the event. “This is [a case of] the will of the few imposing their will on the majority”, claimed Franco, who said that he was working with Jewish and Muslim leaders to stop World Pride.

Jewish Rabbi Yehuda Levin told a Jerusalem news conference, “We are faced with the prospect of six days of promiscuity and debauchery unparalleled in the Middle East”. Levin said that the decision to hold World Pride in Jerusalem was tantamount to “the spiritual rape of Jerusalem,” declaring, “This is not the homoland, this is the holy land.”

Muslim cleric, Sheik Ibrahim Sarsur, told reporters that, “If they [gays] dare to approach the Temple Mount during the parade, they will do so over our dead bodies.”

PinkNews.co.uk reported that Jerusalem Police are considering banning the event amid fears of bloodshed. Jerusalem Police Chief Ilan Franco and Israeli Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter have held talks on the possibility of banning the event, with a statement on their intentions imminent as SX went to press.

Netizen #326 You say you are disappointed by my replies. My replies have been simple - you said what I wrote made me an evil ``mullah`` (and a hypocritical one at that, i.e. ``closet mullah``).

In response I have been asking you to cut and paste what I have written to deserve this honor. You have consistently failed to do that. Instead you come back with irrelevant stuff - like how you are disappointed in me.

Try to be less clever and more honest, and you might find my replies to be less disappointing.

Re: # 336

tahmed:

reason you have been called a ``closet mullah`` are that you are an apologist for the islamic cause, hiding/altering the bad news and advertising the ``better`` ones.

as we say in hindustani, ``samaz ne wale ko esara kafi hai``, it speaks a lot of you.

instead of calling a spade a spade you would indulge in skullduggery.

when without any credible explanation you will go on to define new terms like ``direction the koran points to``, whatever that means.

you are blowing the trumpet about the bright side i.e. ``policies benefical to women which were not given for the next 1000 years`` but would stay mum about other retrogade policies like polygamy, spanking, rape testimonials, burkha.

instead on waiting for a ``cut and paste`` answer this. let every one judge you from your reply.

what would you call a person who has nailed a maid while being married, has married a kid, has kidnapped and forcibly confined women and made them sexual slaves.

your answer will speak a lot about your being a man from the ``age of reason``.

hence don`t chicken out this time.

More Mirchi material for the Secularoons, Liberaloons, and Munafiquoons aka KanjarRs.

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Majority of Turks Oppose Hijab Ban, Back Gov`t

IslamOnline.net & News Agencies


The majority supported Erdogan`s efforts to relax hijab ban on students and civil servants.

ANKARA — The majority of Turks are satisfied with the performance of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan`s government and are opposed to the official ban on hijab in public offices and universities, according to a poll published on Wednesday, June 14.

The poll, conducted by Isik and Sabanci universities in Istanbul, found that two thirds of the 1,846 people polled in more than 20 towns and cities support Erdogan`s efforts to ease hijab ban on students and civil servants, Reuters reported.

The mainly Muslim country of 72 million has a strongly secular political tradition.

In 1997, President Ahmet Necdet Sezer issued a decree banning hijab in state-run institutions, including schools and universities.

Hijab-donned women were also banned from frequenting any social clubs affiliated to the military institution.

Even veiled journalists have been repeatedly prevented from covering news conferences inside government institutions.

Many in Turkey`s military, academic and judicial establishment view this ban as a key pillar of Turkey`s secular order.

Islam sees hijab as an obligatory code of dress, not a religious symbol displaying one’s affiliations.

Conservative

The poll, conducted in March and April, showed that the majority of Turks were more conservative on social and moral issues.

Three fifths of those interviewed attributed failure in life to a lack of religious faith.

Nearly a third said boys and girls should be taught in separate classes at school.

They also opposed allowing their Muslim daughters to marrying non-Muslims.

Nearly half of the respondents said tourists spoil Turkish morality and harm its culture.

They voiced unease with the spectacle of naked or near-naked tourists soaking up the sun at Turkish resorts.

Nearly a third of those polled expressed dissatisfaction with the democratic process in the country.

More than half said they were happy with the government of the ruling Justice and Development party.

Turkey faces a general election by November 2007.

Forty percent of those polled said they would prefer a military-led government and nearly a third expressed dissatisfaction with the democratic process.

Turkey`s powerful armed forces traditionally rank as the institution most respected by Turks.

The military has ousted democratically elected governments four times in the past 50 years but has seen its powers trimmed by EU-backed reforms.

The poll also confirmed falling support for joining the 25-member euro club, down to 57 percent from 74 percent a few years ago.

The European Union and Turkey officially kickstarted on Monday, June 12, the long-awaited accession talks, the most important cornerstone of membership process, after EU foreign ministers overcame last-minute objections from Cyprus.

Turkey has been trying to join the European club since the 1960s.

Re: # 335

Finally some good news from Turkey, our Muslim brother. Good thing that they are not licking Euro ass for an entry into the exclusive EU club. They should never lick Euro ass, and join the rest of the Ummah in promoting the cause of Islam. Europe can go to hell.

Echoboom. Thanks for sharing. May Allah give you three additional virgins for this good deed.

``However, in Bangladesh, 12 year old girls are married off to 70 year old Arab Shiekhs ``

That is Halaal as in a-okay. Infact, honorable to get some brownie points with the prophet by following his example/ Sunnah. Echoboom sahib should put this as a third choice in his scheme:
burqah, brothel or Sunnah-e-Rasool for girl-children.

wiseguying:
one more thing: my only beef here is the open threat and justification of murder of dissenters expressed by Bina Shah. I really dont care what happens to islam and its prophet who laid buried under the grand mosque of medinah.

all and every kind of obfuscation on Ayan Hirsi Ali issue is fine, i think, but what is infuriating is to see ``instead got her co-writer killed``.

what koran, says on or about anything under and above the sun matters zilch to nonmuslims.

on a lighter note: you should check out the last 9 verses of the great Book. It`s supposed to cure schizophrenia or magic.

In Europe alone, officials estimate more than 200,000 women and girls — one-quarter of all women trafficked globally — are smuggled out of Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics each year; the bulk of whom end up working as enslaved prostitutes. Almost half are transported to Western Europe. Roughly a quarter end up in the United States. - Preston Mendenhall, MSNBC

and why is it the KanjarRs in Pakistan, the westoxicated clones, the 2-number maals, the subscribers to alternate-oriffices, the liberaloons, secularoons, & the munafiquoons are so eager & glad to be westernised scum.

Meanwhile:
women are turning to Islam at a surprising rate. While many have heard Islam is the fastest-growing religion around the world, fewer are aware that eighty percent of converts to Islam are women. Islam For Today even maintains a website with testimonies from Irish, Slovak, German and American women who have reverted, to use the Islamic parlance.

The reason for these seemingly senseless trends is that the godless faith of secular humanism, of which feminism is but one aspect, is a barren one. It offers neither the moral guidance and aspiration that is required by men nor the sense of security and affirmation that is sought after by women. Rejecting outdated notions of good and evil in its determined relativism, modern neopagans find it impossible to explain to the slaver why it is wrong for him to seek the profits to be gained by enslaving another individual, much less offer him a worthier goal.

And in an increasingly amoral and brutal environment, it is not difficult to understand why women deprived of the protections offered by traditional Judeo-Christian society – indeed, the very notion that they might need such protection is now perceived as an insult – should turn to a religious structure that guarantees them a place, however inferior, where at least they will be valued for themselves and not as inexpensive property.

When one considers that a pretty young blonde sells for between $700 and $2,500, it`s no wonder that aging feminists rage about the low value men place on them. You could probably get Gloria Steinhem for less than the price of a decent bottle of scotch and Catherine MacKinnon for a Red Bull and a pack of chewing gum. Naomi Wolf would run a bit more, of course, since a discerning master would no doubt appreciate her ability to advise him on his wardrobe.

The usual liberal canards about changing society and education are hopelessly irrelevant in the face of amoral greed, lust and fear revealed by these twin trends. This is not to say that there is no answer for them, but a fallen world that has already rejected the transformational power of Jesus Christ in favor of godless philosophy and unprincipled moral pablum is unlikely to consider it, let alone embrace it as the logical solution.

The human spirit, like nature, abhors a vacuum. It is looking increasingly likely that the spiritual vacuum of the 21st century will offer women a choice between the brothel and the burqah as their equalitarian dream shatters around them.