Ayaan Ali Hirsi and the Big Bad Wolf

Re: # 427

well since you are talking to me, you muslim flea you :).
I wanna know about PBUH`s wedding to a nine year old. What is your opinon on this issue, was this a crime as well, or was she a nine yr old adult?

lol!! cmon mr rajput u running away from a dravidian?? lol!!!
u regretting calling moe a criminal?? well thats what most muslims do, they spin like a fan, thought u were differnt but oh well!!
speaking of your rajput great grand ma, the question still remains why are u following the tradition and culture of her arab/turkish rapists?
or were ur ancestors those rajputs who didnt offer a fight? neither did mine. :P so ur no better off than us lowly dravidians.
bechara rajput noni cutwa key chowk pay muslim ban gaya. lol.

Swarrier,

I would appreciate your input on this statement I made ... People are at the same time dispensible as well as supreme. Dispensible when a task is at hand, supreme when the task is done.

You`re not participating on this board but you`re the kind of a person who could give in-depth valuable input ...

Re: # 425

LOL, hey Mr.rajput, are u calling for help? lol would like to know what statment u are talking about? who can be dispensible as well as SUPREME at the same time?? hmmmm better not be Muhammad (PBUH) aka criminal.

#420 by tahmed32

I admire your optimism, but doubt it is well placed. There will be a huge upheavel before things settle down ... i.e. if the world survives that upheaval!

#421 by aangaara

This is complete BS so no need of a response.

#418 by Netizen, #419 by Netizen (This is BS but anyway ...(

Look. Banu Quraiza was a crime. It was a political crime. Political Terrorism if you will. But just ONE. And the Quraish whimpered into surrendering the whole of Mecca two years later. So Muhammad won, and then he didn`t massacre Quraish, who were then in his power. He could have beheaded them all. He didn`t. Why? Because the task had been done. He had made an example of Banu Quraiza through extreme cruelty and then showed extreme kindness when the job was done. That is the crux of the matter. People are at the same time dispensible as well as supreme. Dispensible when a task is at hand, supreme when the task is done.

Rgds

First of all I really appreciate your honesty in accepting that Muhammad (PBUH) was a criminal (i.e. someone who commits a crime). This surely is a first.
But then I question your intellect how can you be satisfied with a criminal as a prophet?
also What are your views regarding his marriage to a 9 yr old? was that a crime too or was she a nine yr old adult?
As far as maps are concerned the west bank and gaza were occupied by the israelis in a manner similar to the ottomon occupation of cyprus. that is by force. the overwhelming majority of its population being greek offers a teeny weeny clue to this fact.

as for your nonsensical analogy ...... if the dravidians were fleas then what were the rajputs? at the back of the indian dog that is........ just wondering.

You have proved that one has to be really REALLY stupid to remain a mohamaddan.

regards.

zeemax #417 if i might add my two cents to this discussion (and it is a discussion we are having, right?)

actually the greek cypriots and turkish cypriots have done their share of mischief to one another - back in the 1960`s, when terrible atrocities were done by both sides. I still remember the picture of a woman and her two children who were killed and their blood stained bodies left in the bathtub of their home. (the victims were turks in this case - but it doesnt matter. turks were equally barbaric).

and now its all forgotten and the cypriots are an example of how people can get along if you dont have rascals on both sides creating trouble. is the arab-israeli dispute really that irreconcilable? i dont think so.

like my father used to say - ultimately the fool does the same thing as the wise man. only difference is that the fool takes a lot longer and after incurring a lot of tragedies and costs. Fifty years from now, if not sooner, i bet the arab-israeli dispute too would have passed and forgotten. the ideologues who fanned this dispute will be dead. ordinary people will get on with their lives. like the greek-turkish cypriot have done.

food for thought i think for all those who think it is ok to nurse grudges and give more importance to ideologies than to people.

end of saturday sermon, by tahmed. :-)

#410 by aangaara

1) If u look back at the time before that you will find that ur great grand mother was also of dravidian descent.......

My grandmother was not of dravidian descent. She was of Rajput descent. Not that I have anything against the dravidians, but they were just more fleas on the back of India`s dog. The fleas didn`t own the dog but dravidians thought they did. That`s the problem.

2) I have stated before on these boards that massacre of Banu Quraiza was a crime. In my opinion Muhammad did that to gain leverage over Quraish for the Hudaibya treaty in showing immense cruelty, when he had previously been content to exile Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadeer.

3) ...if it would be okay for jews to destroy muslim greenhouses if it was a ``religious`` conflict...

Well actually Muhammad too destroyed the Jews orchards in Mecca in his day, so it could be revenge on the part of Jews. But I just said it was wrong, so there can be no justification. Two wrongs don`t make a right and ultimately Jews will be wiped out if they continue in this manner. They will be defeated by sheer numbers.

4)... and speaking of teritorial conflicts, what do u think of the Turkish occupation of cyprus? should the greek cypriots strap on suicide belts as well?

Have you had occasion to look at the maps? The entire Greece, not only Cyprus, was part of the Ottoman empire. After the fall of the empire Cyprus remained with Turkey and half was militarily occupied by Greece later. But turks don`t destroy Greek Cypriots greenhouses ...

Rgds

Re: # 417

zeemax:

``The entire Greece, not only Cyprus, was part of the Ottoman empire. After the fall of the empire Cyprus remained with Turkey and half was militarily occupied by Greece later. But turks don`t destroy Greek Cypriots greenhouses ... ``

and how did the greece become a part of ottoman empire???

wouldn`t the greeks say that the ottoman ``occupied`` them. it was not that they invited the ottoman to rule them.

cyprus was going to break free from turkey( with greek invovlement) thats when turkey sent its forces to occupy the 1/3 rd part of it. did you know that the turkish cyprus is recognised only by turkey and no other country in the world?
also, the greek and turkish parts are separate ``countries`` with the greek part already in e.u. and the turkish waiting to get in.

so what the turks don`t destroy the greek greenhouses but they do kill the muslim kurds....

Re: # 417

zeemax:

`` I have stated before on these boards that massacre of Banu Quraiza was a crime. In my opinion Muhammad did that to gain leverage over Quraish for the Hudaibya treaty in showing immense cruelty, when he had previously been content to exile Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadeer. ``
``Well actually Muhammad too destroyed the Jews orchards in Mecca in his day, so it could be revenge on the part of Jews. ``

how can a person in the right frame of mind believe in what a convicted felon says?

a felons testimony is not even considered ona court of law and you believe in the ummah created by the confessions of this mass murderer?

callin mr pbhu ``Beloved Prophet`` is islam bashing?? gee i didnt know that.

#411 by Netizen

...so as a paki muslim, why the heck are you concerned with the conflict???

I`m glad yopu asked this question. There is an `Ummah`. It does exist, not in boundaries but in hearts. The entire Muslim body is like a physical body which hurts when any part is cut. Be it M.E. Arabs or South Asian or African Moroccans, Nigerians, Algerian, Egyptians, black or white or brown.

Greenhouses are not the Palestenians backyard barbeque lawns ... these are their livelihoods. Israel knows where to hit the hardest .... take away the innocent farmer`s livelihood and they`ll return that nerd Israeli. I hope they present his severed head in a platter.

I hope you got your reply.

Re: # 414

zeemax:

i know about the ummah. thats why we have jihadis all over the palce. like the paki jihadis blowing british, moroccan jihadis blowing the spaniards.


you are very right that this ummah rats are danger for every non-muslim.

so you must reclassify the palestinain issue as religious one not territorial. thats all.

also, it is prudent for all non-muslims to realise this beast and form an anti-ummah juggernaut and crush these jihadis and their sympathizers. wouldn`t that be just fair then.

#410 by aangaara

I`ll just answer you in a bit.