Ayaan Ali Hirsi and the Big Bad Wolf

SPIEGEL: Who should go in? Social workers?



AP
Hirsi Ali is back in Holland after a brief exhile in the United States.
Hirsi Ali: Certainly not. They are too politically correct and in most cases very young and inexperienced. No, there are other ways to get in. One is the political tool of preventing further growth of the ghettos. We need to employ a policy of integration that dictates to people where they can live and where they cannot live, thereby guaranteeing a mixing together of cultures and nations.

SPIEGEL: That sounds like a lot of trouble -- from the Dutch as well.

Hirsi Ali: So what? What is at issue is defending our values, and that can certainly lead to arguments.

SPIEGEL: Aren`t you concerned that tensions would arise in these forced communities?

Hirsi Ali: The other alternative creates even greater tensions. If you allow the ghettos to grow, you`ll have clashes between skinheads and Muslim extremists, for example. The second means of access should also be controlled by political means: A prohibition on all faith-based schools. Schools must be places of civilization, places that impart Western values, the purposes of democracy. We must treat the children as our children and not turn their education over to defenders of foreign dogma who indoctrinate them with anti-liberal doctrines.

SPIEGEL: Ignore the cultures of the immigrants?

Hirsi Ali: Blindly respecting their cultures is the wrong approach. Here`s an example: Many children in Holland`s Arab ghettos are taught the teachings of Ibn Abu-Taymiya, one of the founders of pure Islam who preaches the holy war as a way of life. Instead of studying European philosophers, the children are taught to abide by 11th century teachings!

SPIEGEL: Integration and European culture can`t be imposed on people.

Hirsi Ali: But we can do something about it. This is where society comes in. Artists, kindergartens, churches, they should all penetrate into the ghettos. It`s really grotesque: We have all kinds of NGOs that send people all the way to Africa to convince people to use condoms. But they don`t dare touch the problems we have at home. Charity begins at home.

SPIEGEL: Perhaps this is partly because part of democracy means allowing people to think as they wish.

Hirsi Ali: Democracy also includes legitimate intolerance. The intolerable cannot be tolerated. We must declare war on Islamist propaganda. Why should we ignore that women in our midst are being suppressed, beaten, enslaved? Why should we ignore that people preach hatred and vow to destroy us?

SPIEGEL: Ms. Hirsi Ali, thank you for speaking with

I am posting extracts from Aayan`s interviews because people need to read her before propagandists like Bina try to brand her as someone with a nefarious agenda and stop people from reading her...........

Hirsi Ali: Democracy also includes legitimate intolerance. The intolerable cannot be tolerated.

Wow .. so what does she want ... democracy? Or not? I thought everyone did .... No? oh well ...

She just needs her head beheaded ... Islam won`t `tolerate` her kind of democratic totalitarianism ...

Islam and women`s oppression are antithetical terms that really don`t deserve to exist in the same sentence

..... this is the kind of nonsense that makes it impossible to reform islam - as long as apologists like bina keep on mithing innanities like this, and refuse to recognize the root cause of their suffering, they should continue to be beaten (lighly) once a week .......... as i have said before, muslim women are their own worst enemies and deserve the sub-human treatement that they get from their men folk ! ........... in my view, their testimony in a court of law should be cut to one third that of a man`s, their inheritance should be cut to one fifth and they should have to produce eight witnesses instead of four if they want to accuse someone of rape ! .............. and more importantly, they should not be allowed orgasms either here, or in the life hereafter ! ................ if i may quote the prophet, they are the source of all fitna on earth and should be kept in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, instead of spewing nonsense on man`s cyberspace ............

bina,

.... since you appear to be aone of those middle-upper class followers of dr farhat hashmi, would you give your husband permission to marry another woman so that ``some other sister can also benefit.`` ? ..... just curious

... la holay wala quwat ! ....... may al-lah protect my daughters, and their pet bunny, from the shadow of women like you !

it is estimated that in uk within next 30 years most cities in northern england will be pakistani/bangladeshi

``Transnational marriage and the formation of Ghettoes

Summary
1. International arranged marriages are a major factor in the formation of ghettoes in Britain. Even in the second generation, a high proportion of immigrants from certain countries enter arranged marriages with spouses from their county of origin. This sets back integration by a generation. The flow of spouses and fiancé(e)s from the Indian Sub Continent (ISC) doubled between 1996 and 2001. Now nearly half of ethnic Indian and three quarters of ethnic Pakistani and Bangladeshi children aged 0-4 have a mother born in her country of origin. 30% of all children born in Bradford are born to foreign mothers; in Tower Hamlets the figure is 68%. And the Pakistani population of Manchester, Birmingham and Bradford increased by about 50% between 1991 and 2001.``

Bina is right insofar as Hirsi lied to get a visa. But that does not negate the fact that she had the guts to speak out against the victimization of women by ``muslims`` (who, btw, are damned kafirs, followers of the the sob Maudoodiite, and the gates of Hell await them, despite all their attempts at eradicating their sins through hajj and bowing five times a day and saying ``Allah Hafiz`` in honor of their Arab heroes. Thank you.``).

And one of these ``muslims`` showed his true religion by brutally killing Theo Van Gogh for the crime of speaking his mind.

Third world people habitually lie to get visas. Others dont even do that and simply slip through the borders. so why is it a big deal with Hirsa? Think about that Bina.

#37 - ``may al-lah protect my daughters, and their pet bunny, from the shadow of women like you !``

Hamidm sahib, you may want to reconsider that. Like someone on this board said, bad things happen to women in all societies. Third world women have third world problems, Islam or no Islam. At least we have the decency to let a woman walk alive after we have gang raped her. But the american protectors of your daughters may go a step further. Read on...

[According to the official, the Sunni Arab family had just moved into a new home in the religiously mixed area about 20 miles south of Baghdad. The Americans entered the home, separated three family members from the woman, then raped her and set fire to her body, the official said. The three others were also slain. A senior Army official who also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing said one of the victims was a child. ... told The Associated Press that a flammable liquid was used to burn the woman`s body. It was unclear if it was gasoline or lighter fluid.]

Re: # 40

malik,


..... your post is not relevant - you are talking about a crime which has been condemned by the society at large and the perpetrators will be punished .......... that is in stark contest to a culture that refuses to acknowledge a crime and where rapists walk free while politicians, mullahs and jurists sit around discussing the intricacies of rape and adultry............... the difference between these two cutures is not subtle - it is glaring

So one woman lied and that somehow proves the lack of 7th century stupidity in Muslims ? Mullah logic ?

``#33 by ballukhan

SPIEGEL: Who should go in? Social workers?``


The best thing to do would be - the Europeans developing common sense and kicking the Sorry behinds of these Ghetto muslims all the way back to their pure lands.

The Europeans, with their stupid liberalisms, are litterally committing suicide. Either they realize the funkyfying effect of Ghetto muslims in their midst or soon ( I will give it a decade ) it will be their throats.

It took ages for the Europeans to get rid of the bloody cross, why in the name of allah will they impose the bloody crescent upon themselves.

I wonder what the killer of vincent van gogh would say about Bina Shah if you showed him the picture in her profile.

Get a scarf wali picture bina behen. your naked locks dont go well with this fundi rant.

Re: # 43

Ghettoes are indispensible part of the immigrant situation.........every new immigrant requires a support system to survive in new environs........the problem is the infiltration of these ghettoes by the Islamists.........we need to be careful about these mullahs and english speaking Islamists trying to spread their extremist views within these ghettoes especially in the Mosques and religious study groups and trying to recruit the young ones..............we have to ensure that muslims participate in the dispute resolution mechanisms available in their adapted country and do not seek resolution of their disputes through theoctratic institution like the shariat courts of through maulavis.........the ghettoes have to marginalize the maulavis and tell them not to interfere with the civil order .........once this is done rest of the youth frustrations and other grievances would get channelized appropriately through the roboust civil institutions of the western societies ...........

since you are a hindu you can imagine if the sadhus of hindu ghettoes become powerful and start interfering in the civil order .and inciting the hindu youths..............

Re: # 45

Ballu ji, I am yet to see this uniquely Islamic phenomenon of spewing venom be so
widespread in any religion. Have you ever seen any bhajan/jagran/satsang degenerate into
a ``Direct Action`` kinda sermon ?
If you talked about someone killing other ppl because of their religion then there is 99.99%
chance that the perpetrator was muslim.

As for the coming bloodshed in Europe, THAT is a reality. All of us know that vermin & rodents
should be killed wherever seen. But these guys actually invited them into their beautiful
homes !!
What were they thinking ?? ... but now it has been done - there are still corrective measures
that can be taken ... but I do not think they have the good sense to take those steps.

As saligram ji says ...

Jab kaal manush pe chhata hai,
Pehle vivek mar jata hai

Re: # 45

ballu,

i disagree with your statement that ``the problem is the infiltration of these ghettoes by the Islamists`` .......... the real problem is the infiltration of the minds of the mjority of muslims by a virulent strain of islam that turns them into shameful homiciders and suiciders at the worst, or shameless aplogists at the best ......... the problem is with the message, not the messengers ..........

wiseguyin: there is no shortage of ``vermin and rodents`` among hindus.

The only difference between hindus and muslims (on chowk at least) is that we speak up about them, while you pretend they dont exist in your primitive hindu society.