Ayaan Ali Hirsi and the Big Bad Wolf

#70 by tahmed32

[krishna #51 you write ``The only difference with Islamic societies in this respect is that they (i.e. the ``vermin and rodents``, to use another Indian`s elegant words on chowk) do not enjoy the support of their society``

I see. Hindus merely elect their ``vermin and rodents`` to high offices - unless you tell me that Modi (couldnt-get-a-visa-to-the-US-on-account-of-his-murderous-ways) wasnt elected.]


The trouble with you, as well as types like Mantolives is that when you cannot rebut an argument, you claim victory by sneaking away.

I have answered this already:

Point # 1: Modi would be a criminal in my eyes, if he is found guilty in a court of law. If there was any substance to all this NGO-led nonsense, the opposition would have taken him to court. If they haven`t, that means that they do not have any evidence against him.

Point # 2: When aksed, the US State Department spokesman replied that THE ONLY REASON that Modi had been denied a visa is because they were depending SOLELY on the findings of the Commission set up by the UPA government - CREATED by LALOO (who also found that the Godhra train passengers had burnt themselves after locking themselves in securely at all the exit doors!).


So don`t try that stuff with me. You are an Islamist at heart, but I`ve found you trying to make a few intelligible points now and then. You have to try a bit harder to be considered fit to argue with.

Re: # 82

Hamidm Sahib:

I have question for you. In almost all human related situations, there are atleast two extreme ends of a spectrum of views. Do you think there are two ends of spectrum in Islamic structure?

Or is it so unique that it does not need a spectrum and therefore no need for two ends, just single absolute?

Anil

P.S.: Massadi Sahib and Bina Shah can also respond to my question... I am very interested in their answers also.

Re: # 82

``how many think that islam gives women adequate protection and the sharia should be implemented in pakistan to protect women ?``

Your one liners cuts like a samurai`s sword .............. nice and surgical!!!

Re: # 60

Hamid Sahib:

Why can Musharaff not do it through an ordinace he has done many things through the ordinance including coming to the power. If he serious, he should just do it... let those who oppose come out and let the world see them.

This is what I would do, if I am serious, would you not?

Anil

Re: # 90
``Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband`s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (Ali`s version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)

Dear Maulana Masadi,

Please explain the real import from the above for the benefit of this na-cheez. And please do not send me a link to your exalted web site in reply...........

#101 by ballukhan

[Dear Maulana Masadi,

Please explain the real import from the above for the benefit of this na-cheez. And please do not send me a link to your exalted web site in reply...........]


Good luck......

i actually find the comments more interesting than the article itself which is all claws and no meat. but meatless articles are no stranger to regular chowk readers, and sometimes chowk readers.

and i also find it very interesting that most if not all the responses here are from men. where are the women of chowk hiding, haiN?

anyway god rest you merry, gentlemen. i`m sure some of the women somewhere would be thanking some of you for speaking up for them (and hirsi ali)

``.......and because they support them from their means. ``

Has anyone heard of women drawing more salary than their spouses and contributing to the household for their men`s maintenance - not atleast in the Islamic Republics!!

Masadi Sahib:

You are very right, quran has definitely revealed that man and woman are equal.

mingling with the local cultures has definitely polluted its effect.

Anyway, whats the color of your burkha........... is it black, blue???

My guess: its red with five crescents...

bk writes in # 101 <<< Dear Maulana Masadi,

Please explain the real import from the above for the benefit of this na-cheez. And please do not send me a link to your exalted web site in reply........... >>>


Rephrase the question, remove the maulana from the title and I might be gracious enough to answer you

Re: # 106

Dear Asadi Saheb,

I would like to have your scholarly interpretation of the verse no 4:34 for my benefit as well as of the rest of the chowkies.

Awaiting your reply eagerly.

with Profound Regards,

Ballu Khan

Dear Asadi Saheb,

I beg of you.....please .........please..........enlighten us all!!

with regards,

#611 by Salim_Chauhan

OK, Jang, I will trade you one live netaji for one live Jinnahji. So, now everybody`s happy. Manto Bhai`s Jinnah lives, Jang`s Netaji lives, and Sadna`s Nehru is off the hook. Could someone recommend me to the Nobel Peace Prize committee? :)

Bhai Salim, as if one Jinnah wasn`t enough to wreak havoc on the subcontinent`s peace and unity, you want to inflict another one upon us? Thanks, but no thanks. In any case, most Indians will readily recommend you for the Nobel Peace Prize for the single-handed efforts you`ve made (futile as it may be) towards building bridges between Indians and Pakis.

Coming to Nehru, the man may have committed many indiscretions (mostly in his personal life), but one thing he cannot be accused of is communalism.

Re: # 109

The above is not mine..it is due to a system f-up... please fix. It makes me look smarter than I am.

Re: # 108

Bullakhan Ji, Masadi Sahib is more concerned about how he is addressed (self-centeredness my friend), he gives two hoots about the questions that make his bigotry shine thru. Perhaps you should add an HRH before begging for his attention. Good luck with your quest.

#103 by ana

[.. where are the women of chowk hiding, haiN?]
Finally, a question that I have SOME clue to!

WHERE HAVE ALL THE WOMEN GONE

Where have all the women gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the women gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the women gone?
Girls have swapped them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone?
Taken husbands every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the smart men gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the smart men gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the smart men gone?
Gone for boulders every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the boulders gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the boulders gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the boulders gone?
Gone to graveyards every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Covered with green moss every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?