Islam and the Age of Globalization

Anyway: these postings, #145 and #146, are my contributions of the day to the Desi Geniuses of Chowk. Cheers!!

masadi #144 Why dont you let off your steam at those who really hate you - namely these Indians who are right here. Rather than letting off hot air about the US. Or are you abu-al Syed Don Quixote who fights unseen monsters while ignoring the monkeys chattering around you??

Re: # 146

takhmad:

``masadi #144 Why dont you let off your steam at those who really hate you - namely these Indians who are right here. Rather than letting off hot air about the US. ``

hmmm....

a capitalist mullah sending a SOS to a commie mullah...............

desperate times indeed call for desperate measures........

I see we have a new monkey from India on chowk letting off the 50 years of resentment among Indians at being told by Jinnah to screw off - So, shall we call this a complete PortFolio of monkeys?? :-)

Re: # 145

We all evolved from monkeys. Why bring in our ancestors in this?

Indians are not frustrated for the loss of some ulcerous regions. It`s good for the body of India & that`s what I mentioned to my fellow Indians.

Re: # 145

It shows who`s frustrated. A bunch of losers from the state that is in the dying moments of history. Sorry about your frustration. I am showing mirror to you guys. Like it or hate it. See u tomorrow. Till then cringe and collapse like your state.

#81 PM writes <<< Its is proving the larger cultural admiration that would help you make your point. >>>

That is where you don`t understand the concept of cultural hegemony and the hundreds of billions spent by America to push its culture, advertising, movies, media etc. When shalwar kameez becomes as popular among the US public like jeans have become in the Muslim world, when movies from India have as wide coverage as hollywood in the third world, then you can talk about reciprocity in cultural recognition, not before. Similarly democracy and freedom might not be only American values, in fact I argue that they don`t even exist in America, but such hegemony has made sure that they are patented as ``American``, and that is the way they are recognized around the globe as well.

#139 by Folio

Thanks for the link yaar. BTW, are you Telugu or Tamil? And where are you from?

Re: # 141


Harish bro,

We can communicate thru` emails. Pl see my ilog. More info in mails.

Thanks.

#138 by rf786

Wud u follow your own advise in Kashmir or Assam? Its not that simple is it?

I already made it very clear that I`m against secession based on religious, linguistic or even regional grounds. In fact, I`m against secession of any kind. The best bet for India is to stick together and thrive in the diversity (which is already hapening) and not bicker over parochial issues. How do you expect me to support such demands?

True, Nehru and his congress party was smart enough to break these feudals, rajputs etc immediately after partition, maybe, maybe had Jinnah remained alive for just a few more years things wud have been different for Pakistan, then again to be honest this is just speculation.

See, that`s the basic flaw in the ML structure. There was just one leader Jinnah. He lacked the foresight to cultivate and mentor a second-rung leadership that could take over when the need arose (something that is being repeated in today`s Pakistan. What after Musharraf?). Do you think the feudals would have sit by idly if Jinnah had tried to move against them? In any case, the feudals used Jinnah (and not the other way round as many would like to believe) to achieve their aims of a more secure future (since the Congress had made it clear that it would abolish the Zamindari system as soon as it came to power). It would have been impossible for him because to a large extent, it was with their support/financial muscle that he could achieve his aim, and they extracted their pound of flesh in the form of their fiefs.

Re: # 140

{already made it very clear that I`m against secession based on religious, linguistic or even regional grounds. In fact, I`m against secession of any kind. The best bet for India is to stick together and thrive in the diversity (which is already hapening) and not bicker over parochial issues. How do you expect me to support such demands?}

I do not expect anything, Iam merely asking for a response on the right to choose, whether its based on religion, language or regional grounds that is immaterial in the context of our line of discussion. What if tomorrow, gays in India demand the right to choose, exercizing their democratic right, u certainly can oppose or support their demand that wud be your democratic right. Then, why not allow the same right to those who feel disenfranchized, the urge to go their own way Or, provide them with a better alternative. Forcing excuses of diversity or state security or giving them shining Inida placards is all hogwash and in direct contradiction to the basic principles of democracy.

#136 by rf786

right of self-determination.

If right to self-determination is a democratic right, would you allow Balochistan to secede? There already seems to be a movement to that effect.

If u r a landlord, nawab or pandith does that make u lesser of a person in any way? I thought we were talking about equality? ML was dominated by Jinnah and he was niether of the two.

The point is not that. It is that these feudals and Nawabs had more their own interests in mind and less that of ordinary Muslims. If you see in retrospect, these feudals continue to dominate Pakistan`s polity, while ordinary Pakis are nowhere in the equation, so there.

Re: # 137

Harish brother,

Avan periya naayi/Vaado pedda Kukka. Ama daani gaadu. Idi vaadi Maaru peru. Slippery candidate.

To familiarise and get latest news on Baloch issue, pl visit:

www.governmentofbalochistan.blogspot.com
www.balochwarna.org
www.bso-na.org
www.balochvoice.com
www.ostomaan.org.

Best.

Re: # 137

{If right to self-determination is a democratic right, would you allow Balochistan to secede? There already seems to be a movement to that effect.}

To be honest, maybe not. Then again, given our experience in East Pakistan I wud certainly give them the right to express their dissent and wud insist on giving them a fair chance. Pakistan messed-up with the Bengalese, we must not repeat the same mistake in Baluchistan.

Wud u follow your own advise in Kashmir or Assam? Its not that simple is it?

{The point is not that. It is that these feudals and Nawabs had more their own interests in mind and less that of ordinary Muslims. If you see in retrospect, these feudals continue to dominate Pakistan`s polity, while ordinary Pakis are nowhere in the equation, so there}

True, Nehru and his congress party was smart enough to break these feudals, rajputs etc immediately after partition, maybe, maybe had Jinnah remained alive for just a few more years things wud have been different for Pakistan, then again to be honest this is just speculation.

#134 by rf786

democracy is about equality first, totally agree with u, then how come u do not want to give the same right to muslims of the pre-partition sub-continent?

One man, one vote, irrespective of religion. What more ``same rights`` did Muslims want?

As for the muslim leaders of that movement, they were as democratic as those who belonged to Congress ot other political parties of that time.

ML leaders were mostly landlords and Nawabs. Please read up more.

Re: # 135

{One man, one vote, irrespective of religion. What more ``same rights`` did Muslims want?}

right of self-determination.

{ML leaders were mostly landlords and Nawabs. Please read up more}

If u r a landlord, nawab or pandith does that make u lesser of a person in any way? I thought we were talking about equality? ML was dominated by Jinnah and he was niether of the two. Yes, they did make political alliances in 1946 with the unionist party a feudal dominated party in Punjab, maybe that was`nt the brightest thing to do, but gave ML its much needed muslim votes in Punjab. At the same time, ML entered into political alliances with the socialist in Bengal, the most populace muslim province. Thereofre, your line of argument is niether here or there, maybe its u who needs to do the reading, then again that wud be presumptuous and rude on my part, therefore...jay ram ke...