‘Our Liberals’ and Minority Psyche

Dear BJK,

Your problem is the following:

1- You are unable to accept the facts. When that happens you write long and inane things which have no real basis in reality. For your glorious work ``Jinnah`s progeny`` I will produce here ``Mahatma`s Progeny`` by a genuine writer later...

2- Your comparison of what the Great Ataturk was able to do and Jinnah wasn`t is again your inability to see that Ataturk was a military General who ruled Turkey absolutely for 17 years while Jinnah was a constitutional politician who ruled by consensus for a little less than 13 months. Ataturk had infact raised up his militia in the name of Islam and Jehad and won the war against Greeks with Islamic symbols.

3- Your allegations against Jinnah are mere allegations. This is why till date you haven`t produced a single argument based on fact. It is just mere speculation on your part... and most of your facts are wrong - as Ambedkar`s excerpt proved.

4- The Islamists Parties now called MMA, used by ISI no doubt, were historically allied with the Congress Party ... and Maulana Fazlur Rahman even today proudly says his father stood against Pakistan... This alone takes the wind out of your argument. Most Mullahs are not touchy about Jinnah... neither are the Khakis... Most Mullahs balk at the idea of having Jinnah`s picture on the bank notes... most Khakis dislike him because of what he and his sister stood for- a constitutional democratic set up. Jinnah is in main hero to the civil society, human rights activists/lawyers, writers, the intellectuals and people fighting for the supremacy of the constitution.

5. Since you quoted V S Naipaul you might also want to compare what he said about Jinnah and Gandhi. You are in for more disappointment.

6. Finally you are unable to accept that there may be a point of view which might not agree with you.

Jinnah’s Progeny
By BJK
June 30, 2006

“I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions to be at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his people . . . My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth, and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will…”
(Words of true wisdom from Mustapha Kemal, otherwise known as Ataturk, or the “father of the Turks”)

Haven’t we had enough of this liberal baloney? Who in friggin hell do they think they are?

Pakistani liberals live in a state of vacuum – and under the thumb of an ideologically unreliable army – with Musharraf as figurehead. The values of basic human rights, democracy and security are nowhere to be seen. Mushy is in trouble and has been for some time – facing almost direct rebellion in two of Pakistan’s four provinces while the liberals self-stimulate in excitement over the memory of a Jinnah who never was – at least the way the pinkos would have liked him!

Thinking Mushy couldn’t do much to him in mid-air, Nawaz Sharif fired him. The result was Mushy grabbed power – providing yet another illustration of how real politics are conducted in Jinnah’s world where reason fails and where principles of morality have become nebulous like clouds. The country has undergone military coups as regularly as ladies of the right age group undergo their periods. A forced collection of starkly different cultures and languages – forever busy in hitting and hating each other – with no concept of democracy or law – or fair play!

But why should they? Didn’t their master himself show by personal example how easy it is to grab things by force – things which make little logic to anyone outside of that exclusive mindset!

Government writ does not hold in the northwest frontier where al-Qaeda and maybe Osama bin Laden are sheltered. In Lahore and Karachi, people die like flies, killed by extremists or criminals – take your pick! Civil society does not exist. All these people together – with little to string them together – except that they are all Muslims – and they made sure of that by expelling all the minorities!

The progeny of Jinnah currently continue to reap the consequences of their support for Islamists who were used as a bogeyman to gain Western support in the war on terror and to keep genuine civilian leaders on the outside looking in. While the cowardly liberals looked on, the khakis and their Inter-Services Intelligence agency created and nurtured the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) alliance – the group of Islamist parties – which believes only in basic freedoms of the afterlife and never in concepts such as equal rights for women, freedom to worship according to one’s conscience, or freedom of expression. Its members schooled and trained the Taliban and it makes known in no uncertain terms its wishes to impose sharia – the Islamic law, which always ends up as the logical conclusion of all thought processes that are rooted in the concept of Islamic exclusivity.

The pinko brigade is emulating Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s servile attitude towards the British and other less brown-skinned people in its own way – by licking the boots of the khakis. The fact that these pinkos are still nobodies after 58 years of fruitless independence shows that the man was a miserable failure. Not only because he was a fraud but because he single-handedly did more than anybody else to legitimize the Islamic terrorism agenda. As Albert Camus said, “All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the state” – and the world knows that there is no separation of power between church and state in the green world – a “secular” Pakistan being one of the most splendid oxymorons ever invented!

And Jinnah was no moron – he was well aware of this contradiction. He sprayed around the word “secular” like the average Pakistani covers his neighbor’s sidewalls with golden showers – and yet the place is now awash with green, where the minorities are gasping for breath! He talked of the Muslim version of Ram Rajya, which is what was sought to be ushered in. When he used the built-in fears and prejudices of the subcontinental Muslims as a weapon – there was a method in his madness. It was no gimmick, for the nakedly aggressive struggle to grab disproportionate power for Muslims was most certainly not bloodless. An ideal state in hollow times is like a pitcher of water in an empty well. It can satisfy only one person’s thirst. So their own thinking probably does the pinkos a world of good – at least in their own minds.

Jinnah the naked aggressor – dressed up as a secular turkey – is just what the pinko parties need to market themselves. If only the khakis had not claimed exclusive copyright over him….if only he had not become a local hero to Pakistani masses for the wrong reasons…

If only!

But they need not worry. Deep down he can still be their icon. They have mastered his sulking sucking technique. His antics have never failed to achieve anything less than pure murder and mayhem. So the foaming-at-the-mouth Mullah can rant and rave Jinnah’s name from the minaret while the shining military brass can do so with equal impunity. In their hearts, they are both right because at the base there is convergence in their thinking – when all is said and done they are both determined to stay limited – to being a Muslim!

And anything but anything but!

And will they listen to the voice of reason? Fat chance! Because never so did their icon Jinnah, either. The whole idea of an “honorable” settlement between Muslims and any other entity smacks of exclusivist thinking – if all the parties are human beings with same needs, desires, aspirations – why does one need a separate “Muslim” platform?! It is this question that the Pakistani liberal, no matter what outside ideology he or she dons – are impotent to answer! Yet, when the time comes to hurl abuses at the neighbor across the border – these liberals – the newspaper types, the professor Ahmed types, the wishy-washy leader wanna-be’s, the you-name-it’s – they have no problems advocating adopting violent means for the “solution” of political problems. Acts of terrorism magically transform themselves into “freedom fighting”! Again, they are simply copying the tactics of their great leader – Mohammed Ali Jinnah – who saw no harm in letting blood soak the streets to obtain political objectives.

Like the father – like the sons!

The progeny of Jinnah – a shining example of “civilized” co-existence like no other in the world!

No wonder the Pakistani expatriate community loves him. He was a snake charmer – suave and well-dressed – everything that they were looking for by way of high-class desi Muslim exotica. I have heard people say they do not mind Jinnah’s Muslim nation but not like the notion of a nation of the Mullahs. What is the difference? Both seek blood for their survival – because both are sustained by the underlying current of Muslim exclusivity!

But the idol had to be propped up. And Jinnah was smart enough to die before his feet of clay were exposed – by having to live through the contradiction that made Pakistan possible and was just as sure to catch up with it! As someone has rightly said, sacrificers are not the ones to be pitied; our sympathies must be with those who they sacrifice.

If Jinnah has been deified, then so has been some of his progeny. Today we have a handful of people celebrating the man, reading out his old speeches, not to mention a full-fledged fan club of dreaming sleepers. This gives it underground-operation legitimacy, somewhat like what happens in the book “1984”. What we ought to know is whether the Pakistani liberals are possessed of a desire to further a cause, to make a genuine difference or merely to ensure their 15 minutes of fame!

Jinnah is extremely important to modern-day Pakistani politics simply because he exposes the double face of it. He was poised between two aspects of it – the lowly hit-man who hates Hindus and the polished urbane lawyer who would never openly admit it. His taking over of the Muslim league depended completely on a clever mixing of the two roles. If his benevolence was not exclusively reserved for the Muslim community, then why did he not work like a civilian leader for ALL people? Because deep down, he knew that you can fool some people all the time – but you can never fool all people all the time!

Ataturk’s aim was to disestablish Islam. He created a Ministry for this purpose. He had the guts and the strong arms necessary to close the madrassahs and suppress the extremist orders of dervishes. He could punch mullahs and order mosques demolished. He made sure that Islam was no longer the official state religion, and secularism was set in. Jinnah never had that ability – he neither had the desire nor the guts to accomplish such a profound change! His opposition to fundamentalism was fake – it was limited to eating pork and drinking wine.

V. S. Naipaul has written that to most Muslims the state that had been won out of the subcontinent came “as a kind of religious ecstasy, something beyond reason, beyond quibbles about borders and constitutions.” Nothing to do with democracy, the Muslim League and other political parties have always been a religious movement whereby ambitious individuals lever themselves into absolute power.

The ruling elite – starting with that great exploiter Jinnah – has mercilessly exploited the religious ecstasy that came with the birth of the state. Pakistan today competes with Saudi Arabia in being a source of Islamic militancy for the world. Islam provides an identity above ethnicity, tribe, or clan. The madrassahs teach uneducated boys to memorize the Koran in Arabic (not their own language), and no other subjects at all. Thousands of mullahs preach incendiary sermons in order to mobilize the mob against unbelievers. In the supposed cause of Islam, successive rulers have sponsored and exploited a variety of militant groups, notably the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Jaish-e-Muhammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba to terrorize Kashmir. The military and its most powerful agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence force, the ISI, has exploited Islamic extremism by means of a doctrine of “strategic depth” whose purpose was to spread Pakistani influence in Kashmir and throughout Central Asia.

But you will never find the Pakistani liberal talk of such issues – because at their core, they are plainly cowards – and that is about the kindest thing one can say of them! Pakistan’s reckless adventures have generated corruption and a foreign policy based on terror, carrying the recurrent risk of war with India and other neighbors. Every method, including assassination, has been used to silence intellectual opponents and dissidents, and to cow the population at large. The Pakistani liberals say “Pakistan’s constitution must be respected.”

This is fantasy. In Pakistan, the constitution is what the ruler, the army, and the ISI decide it is.

Just look at how the ISI and its acolytes operate and see how they hobnob with underworld/terrorist outfits. There are the compulsory disciplinary drills, the initiation ceremony where you have to prove your loyalty and capability, the strict hierarchy, blind belief in an ideology based necessarily on the theory that you are being wronged by the non-believers, and the submergence of the individual self.

There is no more room for reason – these are the children of Jinnah!

There are very many reasons for Mushy’s reluctance to take the terrorists head-on. One of them is his undoubted insecurity. He cannot take the responsibility for crucial decisions that affect his own well-being. He made a U-turn after September 11. And he wasn’t merely being honorable; he was afraid.

And while he is in this survivor-in-the-forest mode, his countrymen go through an ‘agni pariksha’. Yes, the country is his Sita, the one he stands by but who will be put through a test to prove his devotion to it. Mushy is a trustworthy man because he sits atop the whole machinery that helps others keep the “faith”. He has his sidekicks, but they are called loyal soldiers of the country. He promotes certain favoured people and instead of a coterie it is seen as a cohesive unit. And that is the point: he can do anything and yet he will be called upright, uncompromising, unspoilt. In some ways he is; if you don’t plant trees you don’t get mud on your hands.

He has no charisma, therefore he would make for a very unlikely Jinnah, but look closely and there is the familiar straight-forwardness camouflaging a smooth shrewdness. He would not need a PR guy to point out his USP, for his presence is enough to convey what he stands for – he merely needs a wise guru to tell him when to keep his mouth shut!

Like Jinnah, the Pakistani liberal is the statesman without a state. Today, the man who represents all that Pakistan is supposed to have wanted is perhaps more rootless than any. It has been a long journey. Which is why he clings to his liberal sheen; it makes him feel a part of the action. In some ways he is like a new convert – he tries too hard. And that effort comes across as sincerity which, as Oscar Wilde said, is the greatest vice of the fanatic.

Identity gets based entirely on how others view you. It is a ghettoisation of collective souls, and only one will be picked by destiny to seal a deal or somebody’s fate.

This is why I feel Jinnah was in many ways a willing pawn of Islamic extremism’s face then yet to come. He did not constitute a think tank; he used his “us Muslims versus you the rest” gut sense. He was paranoid; he had to ensure that his exposure to the Mahatma’s ideas would not impede his limited ability to rise above his prejudiced mindset. Jinnah rode on the back of a cultural regression, mimicking a gut-fear – to become a figure in regional politics – and in the process unleashing one of the worst bloodbaths of contemporary times!

Assassins and icons become Islamic heroes because they have emulated the well-established System. The anathema and anachronism get transformed into autocracy. The lines are bound to get blurred. For instance, Muhammad Atta’s colleagues visited porno shops – gaping at pictures of naked skins of white women – before carrying out their dastardly deeds of September 11. But their calls of “Allaho Akbar” before their death seem to absolve them in the eyes of their followers. And those deeds were done in the name of their people. Yet the pinkos never face up to this well-known fact! As Don Marquis said, “Pity the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” Too bad the pinkos project an image anything other than the meek – cowardly, but certainly not meek!

Their pathetic voices ought to be heard not as expressions of freedom but as anguished cries of bondage.

Pakistanis are only as free as those “golden” chains let them be – which is to say – not much more than the “green” chains let them be!

References:

(1) Human Rights Watch Commentary (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/03/14/pakist12927.htm)

(2) National Review article, February 25, 2002 (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_3_54/ai_82757188)

(3) Portions adapted from various other sources and tid-bits.

#610, OK, Jang, I will trade you one live netaji for one live Jinnahji. So, now everybody`s happy. Manto Bhai`s Jinnah lives, Jang`s Netaji lives, and Sadna`s Nehru is off the hook. Could someone recommend me to the Nobel Peace Prize committee? :)

#609 abe this is all false..everyone knows that netaji is NOT dead and most likely lives with Elvis.

#608, Sadna {``You and Mantolives need to discuss among yourselves whether (1) the Congress were Japanese collaborators along with the INA against the British or (2) the Congress were British collaborators against the INA and the Japanese. You can choose only one option, either (1) or (2) - you can`t have it both ways``}

Sadna,
In the case of Netaji and the INA, Congress was playing a double game of duplicity - ``heads I win, tails you lose.`` They wanted to keep their credentials as a force for Indian freedom from the British and at the same time they wanted to preserve their ``special`` relationship with the ruling authority - YahaaN ke chor heN chowkidar. :)

You want to believe conspiracy theories, be my guest. You and Mantolives need to discuss among yourselves whether (1) the Congress were Japanese collaborators along with the INA against the British or (2) the Congress were British collaborators against the INA and the Japanese. You can choose only one option, either (1) or (2) - you can`t have it both ways.

#606, Sadna, {``Salim_Chauhan#604 wrote to Sadna: ``You completely ignored my remark about the role of the Nehru government in the treatment of the INA people - all at the behest of the British. Perhaps there is more to the Nehru/Mountbatten bonding than we know. Nehru sacrficed the interests of Indian freedom-fighters for the sake of appeasing the British.``

Sadna responded: ``Produce proof of that statement``}

Sadna,
Enjoy!

Salim Ahmed Chauhan


Who killed Netaji?
Congress killed Netaji files. Why Nehru betrayed Netaji. Gold-Diamond loaded Trunks took Air journey. Where was wealth of Azad Hind Bank? What said JanmBhoomi editor? What said Nehru to UK PM?

by: premendra agrawal on May 18 2006 12:01PM in Current Affairs comments rss:

Congress killed Netaji files. Why Nehru betrayed Netaji. Gold-Diamond loaded Trunks took Air journey. Where was wealth of Azad Hind Bank? What said JanmBhoomi editor? What said Nehru to UK PM?



Who were involved in the conspiracy to murder Subhash Chandra Bose, Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukerjee and Lal Bahadur Shstri? It is not possible to find out answers of all these in this limited worded article.



Researcher Professor Purabi Roy and her fellows, who have estimated the worth of INA funds and who are prominent deponent before the Mukherjee commission, have some light to throw on the issue. But Report of Mukherjee commission is totally rejected by Congress led Govt. without giving any reason. Congress ally CPM also suspects congress move and wants the discussion in the parliament on the Report.





Threatening to Researchers



Did Netaji really die in the 1945 plane crash? Incredibly hard facts have now emerged from Moscow vaults. Netaji was in fact very much alive till at least 1946 one full year after his supposed ``death``. Russian archives had yielded two precious documents. The first concerned a discussion that Joseph Stalin had with his defense minister Voroschilov and foreign affairs minister Molotov in 1946. The second was a report filed by a Soviet field agent stationed in India, also in 1946.



One more British archive document also states that the entire theory of the plane crash, in Taihuku (Japan), was pre-planned and contrived. In fact as late as December 20, 1945, a Japanese newspaper even reported that Bose was on his way to the Soviet Union and passed through Tokyo.






Find the killer of Netaji



British Prime Minister Clements Attlee decided ‘Let him remain where he (Subhash C. Bose) is now’. This decision was taken in October 1945. It clearly indicates that he was alive even in Oct 1945.



Netaji was reported to be alive even after 1945 by the British intelligence from Teheran and Kabul quoting the Russian embassy officials. This was even stated in the Shah Nawaz commission report (File No. 10/ Mis/ INA-pp 38, 39).



In 1946, Gallacher, a British communist party worker publicly criticised the then Irish President D’ Valera for welcoming Netaji in Doublin! D’ Valera didn’t deny this. He visited India after 1946 and even commented publicly ‘I expected to meet Bose here’!



The British intelligence has reported that Nehru knew where Netaji was. Nehru took the Foreign Affairs portfolio himself and appointed none other than Vijayalekshmi Pandit as the ambassador to Russia!



After her term was over, Dr S.Radhakrishnan became the representative to Russia. Dr Saroj Das of Calcutta University told his friend Dr R.C.Muzumdar that Radhakrishnan had told him that Netaji was in Russia.



Former Indian ambassador Dr Satyanarayana Sinha once met Goga, the son of Abani Mukherjee, a revolutionist in the Russian communist party; who told him that his father and Netaji were prisoners in adjacent cells in Siberia. He also told Sinha that Netaji had assumed the name ‘Khilsai Malang’ there.



The most shocking of all information it contained was that Netaji had posted a letter from Russia to Nehru, telling that he wished to come back and he also asked Nehru to make amendments for his come back!



You may confirm this from the parliamentary records from 3rd August 1977; and the files published by the British government.



As reported in every newspaper at that time, daughter of Stalin Swetlana said in Delhi that Netaji was in Siberia’s yarkutaskjail. She also gave barrack No. also.



Speaking to the Hindu, Prof. Guha lent evidence to the view that Subhash Chandra Bose died in a Soviet Prison. He noted that Joseph Stalin was crueler than Adolf Hitler’.




A Soviet agent named V G Sayadyants who was based in Mumbai reported home that ``Bose is the only hope for Soviet Russia,``



The new findings are based on declassified documents in the Russian military archives in Paddolsk, and from the British archives. They were discovered by three researchers-Purabi Ray, Hari Vasudevan and Shobanlal Dutta Gupta-working on the history of communist movement in India. The plot has thickened even deeper with the admission by these researchers that they have been receiving threatening calls from unidentified persons asking them to suspend all further inquiries and end the government-funded research. Fear for security led the work on the project to be stopped shortly, around the middle of 2000. For Details: www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/shamolimitra/tmbnd.html





Why Mukherjee Commission Report rejected?



Congress does not want the nation to know Jawaharlal Nehru`s actions and role in betraying Netaji. The previous two Commissions: Shah Nawaz Committee and the Khosla Commission were appointed by the Congress government. For bringing truth BJP let NDA Govt. appointed Mukherjee Commission.



“I saw Netaji alive after his alleged plane crash” is disclosed by Capt Abbas Ali, an old INA freedom fighter.



“It was ‘unbelievable’ that Netaji died in an air crash” said by Suresh Chandra Bose elder brother of Subhash C.Bose. He deposing before the Khosla Commission charged Mr Shah Nawaz Khan with ``playing Netaji false``



Deposing before the Khosla Commission, Dr Satyanarayan Sinha said Colonel Habibur Rehman had confessed to him at Patna in 1946 that he had had told a lie when he said that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose died in a plane crash in Taipeh on August 18, 1945





Killing of Netaji files by Congress Governments



Most of the secret files about Netaji, that were maintained by Pandit Nehru himself as ``P.M.`s special`` files, one of which included all communications connected with INA Defense Committee, were reported by the Indira Gandhi Government as ``either missing or destroyed``. It will not be easy to presume that Netaji`s communication to Nehru and a copy of Nehru`s letter to Attlee have also been destroyed. These files were dealt with by the personal secretary of Pt Nehru - Mohmd Yunus.





Nehru`s shocking role in betraying Netaji



Shyamlal jain, the confidential steno of the INA Defense Committee, in the course of his deposition, made a shocking revelation about Nehru`s attitude toward Netaji,”Later Nehru asked me to type a letter on his letterhead. Mr.Nehru addressed that letter to Mr.Clamment Attlee the then PM of Britain, in which Mr.Attlee was informed about the contents of that hand written note regarding Mr.Subhash entry into Russian territory.

``I solemnly affirm and state on oath that thereafter Shri Jawaharlal Nehru gave me four papers from his writing pad to make four copies of a letter, which he would dictate to me on typewriter, which I also complied. The contents of the letter, as far as I could remember, were as follows



Dear Mr. Attlee:

I understand from a reliable source that Subhas Chandra Bose, your war criminal, has been allowed to enter Russian territory by Stalin. This is a clear treachery and betrayal of faith by the Russians. As Russia has been an ally of the British-Americans, it should not have been done. Please take note of it and do what you consider proper and fit.

Yours sincerely,
Jawaharlal Nehru.





Col. Tada



Col. Tada, one of the principal architects of Netaji`s escape plan confided to S.A. Iyer in 1951 that the Japanese agreed to make necessary arrangements to convey Netaji to Russian territory across the border of Manchuria.





Late Amritlal Seth, editor ‘Janmabhumi’



Late Amritlal Seth, former editor of the Gujarati Daily Janmabhumi, who accompanied Nehru during his visit to Singapore told late Sarat Chandra Bose immediately after his return from Singapore that Panditji was warned by the British Admiral that, according to his report, `Bose` did not die in the alleged air crash and if Nehru played up too high with the legends of Bose and demands for re-absorption of the INA (Azad Hind Fauz) in the Indian Army, he would be taking the risk of presenting India on a platter to Bose when he reappeared.





Journey of Gold-Diamond loaded Trunks:



What happened after August 18 remains shrouded in mystery. While conducting her research in Moscow and England Professor Purabi Roy pursued a war time major of MI5 who had snooped around Bose. Roy met the agent in Oxford and he told her that a huge amount of `INA money` was handed over to Lord Mountbatten and a senior Congress leader in Singapore, and that is the key to Bose`s disappearance (and the subsequent reluctance to unravel the mystery) could be solved to a great extent by ascertaining the route that the funds travelled.`` Read full story at: http://www.missionnetaji.org/newsite/page/treasure_treachery.html





Azad Hind Bank



Captain Wadhera sought to know the whereabouts of the huge wealth that was collected by Netaji for the freedom struggle and deposited in the Azad Hind Bank, which was specially opened to prevent misuse of cash and ornaments donated by Indians to strengthen the hands of the INA in its freedom struggle.



Recalling the events from his INA days, Captain Wadhera disclosed that a big rally was organized by the Indian Independence League at Singapore to welcome Netaji. “As the huge gathering of Indians in Singapore garlanded Netaji, nearly a truckload of garlands accumulated there”, he said.



After thanking the gathering, Netaji announced that he would like to auction the garlands that had been put around his neck.



“The bid started with Rs 1 lakh (in 1943 it was more than rupees fifty lakh of today). The first garland was auctioned for Rs 1 crore and 3 lakh, which was purchased by a Muslim industrialist of Malaya, Habibur Rehman. Later he volunteered his services to join the movement. The women offered their valuables and gold ornaments. Total collections at this auction were about Rs 25 crore”, Captain Wadhera nostalgically recalls”.





Mukherjee Commission submitted its report on November 8, 2005. The government sat on it for six months, then tabled it in Parliament on May 17, 2006, when it also rejected the report. Why such late in tabling the report?

Basically, the commission’s findings are the following:

(1). Netaji did not die in the August 1945 Taipei plane crash as reported.

(2) The ashes at Tokyo’s Renkoji temple are not his.

(3) The story of the crash was a trick to help him escape, and the Japanese and Taiwanese governments knew about it.

(4) The Indian government suppressed a report by the Taiwanese government which stated this in 1956.

(5) Netaji is now dead.





By Premendra Agrawal

Comindia2006@yahoo.co.in




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Salim_Chauhan#604
``You completely ignored my remark about the role of the Nehru government in the treatment of the INA people - all at the behest of the British. Perhaps there is more to the Nehru/Mountbatten bonding than we know. Nehru sacrficed the interests of Indian freedom-fighters for the sake of appeasing the British.``

Produce proof of that statement. What I have seen in the official records of the time(published in the Transfer of Power papers) are letters and discussions in which the Congress urges the British to drop the various cases and the Viceroy is very standoffish about it.

#604

It could have merely supported Afghan independence and true democracy without appearing to be backing Russian adventures.

Yeah, we could take our football home and cry because nobody was playing by the rules? Fat lot of good that would have done anyone, least of all the Afghans.

Bongy,
In #602 you undid the excellent point raised by you in #601. The Northern Alliance were and are a bunch of bloodthirsty killers and rapists who were the cause for the murderous Tally Ban`s success in the mid-90s. Dostum is merely a cruel and sadistic opportunist. Just because fighting AIDS is important, it is not very wise to spread cholera around. I mean all of these elements were/are bad. Hikmatyar, Dostum, Northern Alliance, and most of all the Tally Ban. India did not have to play with any of them. India did not have to become identified with Soviet aggression or Najiboola or Northern Alliance. India should have distinguished itself from Saudi Arabia, US, Pakitan, Iran, and the Soviet Union. It could have merely supported Afghan independence and true democracy without appearing to be backing Russian adventures.

#599, {``Some of the founding members of the Congress were English. So what? ``}

LOL. If you can`t see the Royal hand in this then either you are a candidate for purchasing a bridge in Brooklyn or you can sell airconditioners to Eskimos. :)

Don`t pretend that there is nothing sinister about English participation in the founding of the Congress Party. What a gentle and polite manner of nurturing, defining, and controlling opposition to Bristish rule.

You completely ignored my remark about the role of the Nehru government in the treatment of the INA people - all at the behest of the British. Perhaps there is more to the Nehru/Mountbatten bonding than we know. Nehru sacrficed the interests of Indian freedom-fighters for the sake of appeasing the British. Have you ever heard of ``The Sword of Truth?`` That is the ``official voice`` of the right-wing Hindu crowd to which you belong:
RSS/BJP/VHP/JS/SP/SS/BD/Sadna - I love specifying file names. :)

#601

Actually what I find amazing is that the world has forgotten the depth of gratitude it owes India and Russia for keeping the Nortern alliance alive and fighting in its toe hold in the Panjishir valley, so that one day they could come out and defeat the Taliban.

#598
Now that`s what I call having principles - abstain when your buddy is the clear aggressor. What a commitment to freedom?
Not India`s finest hour, absolutely. But nowhere on the maps when comparing to the crimes committed by the parties involved in Afghanistan (Pakistan, UAE, Saudi, USSR, US).

``Just because the Tally Ban were and are so horrible, doesn`t mean that we have to accept Najiboola who was maybe a little less horrible``

Diplomacy is the art of the possible.

Lets see the parties involved:

Rashid Dostum and his Uzbek`s
Masood, Rabbani and the Tajik`s
Najibullah (Ghilzai Pathan) but commie
Hekmatyar and Hizb-e-Islami (Pakistani puppet)
The unrepresented Hazara`s

What would you suggest India do in 1988? who did not have blood on their hands?

#594 Yasser

Ummah yaar, Yasser!

More ration per bhashan from you! A long one too! You seem to have the process of copy and paste fully automated – which puts everyone at a disadvantage. Is that a Rutgers specialty?

But when it is all said, all of it is just a bhashan! And notice how old the stuff is – I don’t know what the context was, but it looks like the guy is making a plea for something for Muslims – and making a vague promise that SOME DAY there won’t be a need for special status for Muslims!

Remember the khaki promises, dahling?

Some day!

Some day, there won’t be a need for khakis – until that day comes in, why there NEEDS to be khaki rule – or, in Pakistani lingo – ``real`` democracy. Jinnah would have put in ``real`` secularism – Jinnah style!

It is interesting that you keep dumping “negative” crap on Gandhi and keep trying to put “positive” crap to prop up the sour-puss-face vamp! But both types of crap you dig are from the early 1900’s!

When are you going to come up with the ration, my dear?

Face the fact, ummah yaar!

All you are showing in case of Jinnah is that once upon a time, Jinnah portrayed himself as a “liberal” to a bunch of white guys (big deal!) We won’t even discuss the inherent penchant for lying as part of their jobs that lawyers possess. And I put the quote deliberately to avoid confusion with the hypocrites who grace the title of this article.

And all you are showing in case of Gandhi – leaving aside the extreme likelihood of your quoting selectively – a lawyer specialty! – is that Gandhi still needed to grow.

The reality is that Gandhi grew – Jinnah shrunk!

Accordingly, Gandhi’s base grew automatically – people of all faiths followed him.

Jinnah’s base shrank and shrank – till there were only Muslims left! The autocrat got his wish – a diminished but devoted dumpistan of dark-souled dour devils!

Gandhi opened up to the world – Jinnah (who perhaps was jealous (although reading minds is a dicey business!) thinking that he was the better lawyer and not getting his due jolts (I mean his due accolades)) – he went the other way! Gandhi became larger than life – Jinnah smaller than a skunk!

Therefore, the world at large recognizes the importance of what Gandhi was and what he stood for – whether certain biased chowk numbskulls do, or not!

On the other hand, Jinnah has been cast aside – kicked with army boots and thrown into the dustbins where he lies stinking – is spite of the persistent attempts of a few revisionists to pull him up and smear that thick snout with layers of lipstick.

And then they wonder why he still keeps smelling like a skunk!

A dirty, smelly skunk! Who continues to stink so many decades later – what can be worse than a dead skunk?!!

#597
huh? The INA was a secular organization with Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and others in it. Its aim was to drive out the British not prevail over other Indians. And the Congress wasn`t in collusion with the British over the INA. On the contrary, the British were bitterly opposed to the INA.

``the Congress was also some Englishman`s doing. So, what`s good for the goose``

Some of the founding members of the Congress were English. So what? The Congress was not using any foreign power to demand from other Indians a larger share for any particular community(than was warranted by its numbers) at the expense of other communities/regions of India.

#553 Bongdongs {``Furthermore Chauhan, India abstained from the general assembly vote condemming the USSR invasion of Afghanishtan. That is the limit of Indian culpability.
... In retrospect considering what Afghanistan went through, does a Najibullah-Masood coalition in 1988 sound like it was such a bad idea? ``}

Bongy,
Now that`s what I call having principles - abstain when your buddy is the clear aggressor. What a commitment to freedom?

In retrospect you may be right about a Najiboola-Masood coalition - perhaps they are coalescing as we speak.

Just because the Tally Ban were and are so horrible, doesn`t mean that we have to accept Najiboola who was maybe a little less horrible. At least Karzai is better than all three (Najiboola, Massoud, and Mullah Omar).