Lament of a Disillusioned Citizen

Re: # 69

Don`t be an ignorant fool by using the convenient baton of generalization to back your argument. But I guess idiots like you can do no better. I wasn`t talking about world issues, my comments were just about the discussion boards here at chowk. So, I repeat my question, don`t you have anything better to do with your pathetic life?

{ Nawaz was so drunk with power that he tried to kill the military general.}

And yahya was so drunk literally and with power that he gladly sacrificed more than half the country. Take your pick!! And if you are going to say that that not every dictator is a Yahya than please first consider that not every democratic leader is a nawaz or benazir. There may be better people in the waiting if only the military will just stick to its own job. You talk about forgetting too soon. Rather its you who has clearly forgotten all the bullshit we have inherited from the military dictators. A booming economy from Ayub all the wealth of which was carelessly lost in a baseless war. I have already talked about Yahya. And Zia with his floods of money due to dear old Afghanistan whom he protected more than he ever cared about the Pakistanis for whom he left legacies like the Hudood Ordinance. Musharraf will be no better with his aid from america and abuses from Pakistan. What has he given us anyway except twisted and unrepresentative statistics which are supposed to be a great economy. A worthless fountain on the sea. Soaring sugar prices and of many other commodities. A big fat lie about the uniform. Increasing terrorist activity. Increasing redundany of public services like electricity, water and transport. If only you would remember much more and stop criticising who remember much more than you do. i do not say that the democracy we have experienced was exemplary but neither was the dictatorship. And adding to the analysis that we have had much more of the latter the only conclusion a sane person can make is give democracy a chance!

{ Nawaz was so drunk with power that he tried to kill the military general.}

And yahya was so drunk literally and with power that he gladly sacrificed more than half the country.

{ They forget the zamindars and the waderas and the jahil high school pass doodh walas who were sitting in the assemblies. they forget the idiots who were our finance ministers. }

Sir, if only someone will give us the chance to forget them. Who do you think are sitting in the assemblies under the great Musharraf ? Enlightened Moderates and righteous messiahs. It is the same bullshit all over again with a different package and with a much longer indefinite term in power. Mr. hasanmahmood the only reason why i support democracy is because atleast there is hope for improvement. Atleast there is hope that one day good leaders will come to power. If we adhere to the constitution atlest there is hope that people will stop raping it. Atleast there will be hope that someday its true spirit will be followed. With democracy and a constitution atleast we have hope. Withe military dictators we do not even have that. Because these generals will gladly piss on the whole country and will get to the assemblies anybody who is ready to lick their boots without giving a damn for the whole country. The situation of the people right now is evidence!!!! And please stop considering a graduate degree to be a mark of perfect knowledge. Many great politicians in the past have been just high school graduates and not even that for that matter. There is a reason why no superpower has ever been ruled by rocket scientists and there is a reason why plato`s philosopher king never got crowned.

What constituion Fareeha? The one that tells all the politicians to ignore the masses or the one which tells them that people WONT even need basic things, or the constitution that allowed Benazir and Nawaz to do what they wanted. Forget Pakistani constitution. It is more worthless that a prostitute`s word or for that matter this article. Spare us the Benazir/Nawaz rhetoric of how good democracy can be. I lived through those years and unlike you I dont have a bad memory.

Hey Hindus read this about your Bharat maa or whatever you call you iece of shit country http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5125810.stm
Kaptain I totally agree with you. people sit here and tout the democracy horn while conveniently forgetting the wonderful years of Benazir and Nawaz when the country was on the brink of bankruptcy. They forget the mansions, the killings, the illegal accumulation of wealth. They forget that they had no voice in that so called democracy. Just because they hear parts of what the West is telling them they really think they know everything. They forget the zamindars and the waderas and the jahil high school pass doodh walas who were sitting in the assemblies. they forget the idiots who were our finance ministers. they forget the devastation that took place. People were tired of Zia and wanted demcracy. they got it but Benazir and Nawaz really took advantage of people`s fears. They kept accumulating wealth without anyone holding them responsible. On Benazir`s order 1200 men were either killed or heavily injured in Hyderabad. Nawaz was so drunk with power that he tried to kill the military general. When people open their mouths about democracy in Pakistn, remind them that democracy cannot work in Pakistan. The waderas, and zmindars, and industrialists will never let it prosper. Once again Pakistan will go towards bankruptcy and once again a general will come and people will come out on the streets to greet him and once again we will read stupid articles like these after 5 great years in which Pakistan will actually prosper. Why because people again will forget about benazir and nawaz and what they did and will again stupidly ask for DEMOCRACY....

Democracy is nothing but a gateway to make easy money in billions.The Surrey mansions.The Raiwind Palaces. The money in the Swiss banks.

For Lord`s Sake, when would you understand that democracy is nothing but a wheel of illiteracy which runs to feed the few rich politicians who are hell bent over to disintegrate.

Nawaz was opposed to Benazir and so was Benazir; when both had the rule. Now they are respected Brother and Sister. For what?? For you?? Or me??

To hell with constitution. All what is wanted is good and economic and standardised living for the common man with all basic amenities coming in at ground level prices.

With Democracy you vote for corruption and costly IPPs which are till today restricting establishment of Industries. Thanks to Zardari.

These politicians are nothing but pile of human waste given a human face. Mittal`s acquisition runs into some billions. These Political Morons could have thrown in more to have it under their belt. They have more than they count.
They don`t need to. They know they get their westernised and americanised dog food the easy way and more than what they would get from the acquisition of Arcelor.

To hell with Democracy..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

``Just like the courses of these great rivers don`t meet, our histories, religions and traditions also don`t meet. ``

Actually the Hindu religion, tradition and history ranges from present day China to present day Afghanistan, crossing through the Ganges as well as the Indus. It is your Allah and Mohammad who are Arab citizens, and therefore foreigners in the land of Bharat.

``The subcontinent was just a conglomeration of independent families with their own heads and traditions. Our mother was the Indus Valley and it still is.``

Yeah, the Ganges is my mother, a Punjabi with family ties going back generations to the land of Punjab in the vicinity of Potohar. Whereas Indus is the mother of Jinnah and Liaqat, those who never came close to Indus till they took power based on a religion of Arab traditions. Akbar Ahmed may be able to sell that snake oil to Punjabi Mussulmaans, please don`t try the same with us.

``ncorrect, this is just another manufactured myth to protect Nehru`s hidden private life as a full blown faggot. Lord Mount-Bat- ten met Nehrujee when posted in Singapore, it was love at first sight for both, Lady Mountbatten was just the side dish used as a cover for these two closet gays.``

And the faggot Jinnah was hiding in the closet and jerking off. Heck it was the jealousy that made him mad and strive for Pakistan.

Paki ``civilization`` is based on the banks of denial...and I don`t mean the river in Egypt..

HE is a perfect example...he`s still in denial about the IT export figures..or the war in kargil..

His Excellency #70 {``Just like the courses of these great rivers don`t meet, our histories, religions and traditions also don`t meet. ``}

Whether they meet or not, the fact is that each of these rivers either originates in or traverses Indian territory - Indus, Chenab, Ravi, Jhelum, Sutlej, Beas, Ganga, Jumna. Yes all of them are Indian, except for one - the dirty and muddy Kabul River that joins the Indus in Pakistan.

#70 by HisExcellency

Harish, an Indian blaming Pakistan for creating the Kashmir problem in 1989 is no saner than a Pakistani claiming that India created the Bangladesh problem in 1970.

Yaar I didn`t blame Pakistan for creating the problem, just for turning the problem into a vicious and bloody one.

India losts its izzat the day it forced its Muslim citizens to sing the Vande Matram and bow before the statue of a certain politician Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, who liked people to treat him like a god.

Are you talking through your hat? Can you please providence evidence to back your statements? Or is it something that you are taught in your text books? Who forced whom to sing the Vandemataram and when did Gandhi ask to be treated as god?

The provinces consituting Pakistan today were part of the Indus civilization that were forcibly occupied by the British in 19th century.

There you go again putting the usual spin on to India`s identity. Not that I care much.

Just like the courses of these great rivers don`t meet, our histories, religions and traditions also don`t meet.

Well, I`m glad the way it is and I`m sure a majority of Indians think like me. After all, I would hate to see Indians associated with terrorism and being subjected to inhuman cavity searches.

Amidst all this, you haven`t bothered to answer my question. I repeat it here:

Why are the ``non-puppet`` candidates in Azad Kashmir required to swear allegiance to Pakistan by signing an undertaking in the nomination form which states that he/she whole-heartedly supports the accession of J&K to Pakistan? Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was refused to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

sanatani #84, {``Saligram is another name for Bhagwan Shri Krishn and sir lamentably if Ishwar and Allah were one tab to koi fight he nahin thi. ``}

Sanatani bhai,
Then I am honored to be called Saligram. :) That`s right, God, Allah, Ishwar, Khuda, Yahveh, Elohim, and other nomenclatures are indicating the same Almighty Creator. Fight ki koi wajah nahin thi or nahin he. It`s like fighting over who has the best parents? Thanks

Aslam Bhai #85 {``salim i agree with you that biharis should be brought to pakistan, it`s despicable the way they`ve been treated by the ruling elite. compare this to uk`s offer to take 50000 mirpuris displaced by mangla dam.``}

Aslam Bhai,
Now we are getting somewhere. Several kind and compassionate people are coming out and supporting this worthwhile cause that is a blight on the flag of Pakistan and the meaning of Islam. Thank you and please bring this up in every forum that you join. May God bless you for your conscience. Ameen.

Aslam Bhai #85 {``salim i agree with you that biharis should be brought to pakistan, it`s despicable the way they`ve been treated by the ruling elite. compare this to uk`s offer to take 50000 mirpuris displaced by mangla dam.``}

Aslam Bhai,
Now we are getting somewhere. Several kind and compassionate people are coming out and supporting this worthwhile cause that is a blight on the flag of Pakistan and the meaning of Islam. Thank you and please bring this up in every forum that you join. May God bless you for your conscience. Ameen.