Lament of a Disillusioned Citizen

#51 by hamidm2

.......... it is a dying breed and nobody seems to care ......

It`s a real shame. It appears Punjabis only switched to Urdu post-partition in a desire for an identity seperate and distinct from their East Punjab counterpart, as well as Urdu being the national language and all that necessary to compete in services etc..

Is there any other reason?

On a side note, Art Buchwald has been in a hospice for some time and may conk out soon. Your dialogues appear largely influenced by his style. How about your taking over .. i.e. if you have a longer shelf-life ...:)

#57 by majumdar

Kalam can`t be a momin, he has to start carpet bombing Waziristan and Wana at the behest of the Americans before he can call himself a momin.

Any Muslim who doesn`t act in accordance with Paki perceptions of a given situation (however far from reality it be), he isn`t a Momeen.

Harishbhai/HE sahib

(Either he isn`t a momin... or he doesn`t like to pray for the Kashmiris and Gujrati Muslims who are suffering because of his country`s army or the party that made him President. )

Kalam can`t be a momin, he has to start carpet bombing Waziristan and Wana at the behest of the Americans before he can call himself a momin.

Regards

#55 by harish_hyd

Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was refused to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

should read:

Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was not allowed to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

#46 by HisExcellency

New Delhi installed puppet govts in Kashmir from day one... and crushed even political demands with military force.

So tell us why are the ``non-puppet`` candidates in Azad Kashmir required to swear allegiance to Pakistan by signing an undertaking in the nomination form which states that he/she whole-heartedly supports the accession of J&K to Pakistan? Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was refused to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

#38 by HisExcellency

Either he isn`t a momin... or he doesn`t like to pray for the Kashmiris and Gujrati Muslims who are suffering because of his country`s army or the party that made him President.

Your knowledge of India`s polity is as good as your knowledge of anything else, which is pathetic. The BJP didn`t elect the President. It only proposed his name. It is upto the electoral college which comprises of state legislature members and the Parliament that elects him. Usually, Presidents are elected unanimously and in the case of Abdul Kalam, it was overwhelmingly unanimous. Kalam is the slap in the Paki face. A Muslim who spearheaded India`s missile development program and a Muslim President when all along, Pakis were taught that Hindus discriminated against Muslims.

Again, going by your logic, if the Indian Army oppresses Kashmiris, why didn`t it do that before 1989 when Pakistan started training and arming terrorists? And why is there such a huge turnout of voters (sometimes it exceeds that of other states in India) whenever there is an election. Mind you, these elections are not the referendum-type when Mushy declared he had 97% endorsement. There were international observers deployed throughout the state.

And Gujarati Muslims are suffering because of the Indian Army? There you go again displaying your utter lack of knowledge. The Gujarat riots started to abate only after the Army took over from the local police. Sometimes it pays to read neutral newspapers.

#50 by HisExcellency

[I only fire arguments. There you would have to face bullets fired by Kashmiri Muslims.]

Ummah yaar, the problems with your lot is you think that (1) Kashmiri Muslims are one block of humanity just waiting in unison to cross over to the land of the Pure (2) they carry a disproportionate number of arms – or are better fighters than those who are on the Indian side.

Both of these assumptions are false. Clearly, Kashmiris are either not very enthusiastic about the idea, or are too lazy, or incompetent to fight – or you guys won’t be sending in foreign fighters!

Those “respectable” Pakistanis who look the other way and are not vocal about these slimey tactics are the scum of the earth (Guys like you are not the scum, of course! There is no need to insult the same object!) – and the main reason why that country finds itself in the pits that it is in today.

And all the lipstick on the pig of Islamic terrorism being waged by Pakistan in Kashmir will be wasted lipstick. The world sees it for what it is – but more important, Indians of all sections and sects see it for what it is!

I don’t hold any particular community in Pakistan (e.g., Punjabis) responsible for this current sorry state of affairs – the chicanery, the lack of balls to face the truth, and the lack of courage to make a bold new start by admitting the wrongs of the past in an open manner.

I think it is the mindset!

The mindset that was perhaps latent well beforehand but got incurably reinforced by that first Islamic terrorist of the subcontinent – that haraami Jinnah – your “father”!

Guess what, dear “children” of Jinnah – your “father” committed rape to create you! And he raped his own “mother” – the one that gave him birth and sustenance!

That makes all of you – yes, ALL of you Jinnah lovers – illegitimate offspring of your rapist “father”!

It is only natural that you try to avenge this dishonor – by killing the weaker sections of your society!

It is the Pakistani way!

Because it is the Jinnah way!

Re: # 52

BJK, I feel I know you. Are you not one of those pathetic indians that go from site to site and forum to forum to bash Pakistan or Pakistanis?? Yeah i think i guessed it right, your one of those pathetic, lifeless and misrebale individuals who have still come to terms with the India/Pakistan divide 59 yrs ago. Or maybe it is the fact that Ur Mahatmi Gandhi was considered toothless and a liar by some of your own people?? Or could it be that another one of your leaders Mr. Nehru had intimate relations with Lord Mountbatten. I`m not sure what it is, bu the frustrations truly run deep!

It eats you from within and I truly hope someday it drives you insane. There are quite a few of you here on Chowk who will poison every sensible discussion. I would never care to reply to jerks like you, but I felt enough was enough and I had to do just this one time!

salim mian,

.......... i think you are being totally ridiculous about this punjabi thing .... heck most punjabis don`t even speak punjabi once they get an eighth grade education .......... it is a dying breed and nobody seems to care ......

re: #49

Try this chest thumping in Srinagar... I only fire arguments. There you would have to face bullets fired by Kashmiri Muslims.

#46 by HisExcellency on June 22, 2006 3:03pm PT


Kashmiri Muslims are the majority in their state.


non-Kashmiri Indians are a majority in India and if they say Indian Kahmir is part of India, there ain`t anything you can do about it..

reality...you should try it sometime..

re: #43

The APHC`s refusal to talk to Manmohan Singh without Pakistan proves that Pakistan enjoys the confidence of Kashmiris despite the repatriation (non)issue. Clearly, your fears about this issue damaging Pakistan`s Kashmir cause are unfounded.

re: #43

So repatriation of 1 million Biharis is more important than providing jobs to 35 million Sindhis? I thought you were a logical person.

Let`s talk about present issues, instead of past ones. Let`s also talk about issues that affect most Pakistanis, instead of a small minority. Repatriation and Anti-Ahmediyya laws are non issues for the vast majority of Pakistanis. This might change in 10 years when income levels and literacy rates improve more.

Until then, why don`t you think about convincing the Sindhis and Khatam-e-Rasaalat Committee to soften its position on repatriation and Anti-Ahmediyya laws??

re: #44

Why would Kashmiri Muslims want freedom from India when they are already governing Kashmir

New Delhi installed puppet govts in Kashmir from day one... and crushed even political demands with military force. The Kashmir freedom struggle is an ideological one linked to the Two Nation Theory. Kashmiri Muslims are the majority in their state. This majority has been denied the right of self-determination.

Here is the contrast...

Mohajirs are a minority in Sindh. Ever since they formed a political party and won elections, they have been running the government of Karachi. They have been running KMC, the largest metropolitan corporation in Pakistan. Yet instead of creating employment for Mohajir youth, the MQM recruited killers like Fahim Commando in the KMC. When fellow Mohajirs objected, the MQM turned its guns on them.

This is because the MQM is not an ideological party. It has no ideology except to protect the Mohajirs. The injustices it seeks to address occurred 20-30 years ago. But Mohajirs have moved on. They are now part and parcel of Pakistani society whereas MQM is still living in the past.

Mohajirs are losing faith in MQM. Not in Pakistan.

re: #41

If Punjabis support repatriation, Sindhis will hate them for imposing their will and turning Sindhis into a minority in their own province. If Punjabis don`t support repatriation, some Mohajirs will hate them for not letting them increase their votebank.

Punjabis will get the flak either way. But opposing repatriation with draw less flak because there are more Sindhis than Mohajirs :)

HisExcellency #42 {``Why would Mohajirs lose loyalty to Pakistan when they are already governing Pakistan? There are Mohajir generals, Mohajir governors, Mohajir ministers and Mohajir bureaucrats... ``}

Your Excellency,
Here we go again. Let me just go back to my Indian example and you will immediately note the senseless nature of that statement.

Why would Kashmiri Muslims want freedom from India when they are already governing Kashmir - democratically may I add? There are Kashmiri Muslim general, Kashmiri Muslim governors, Kashmiri Muslim ministrs, and Kashmiri Muslim bureaucrats.