War for Peace

Re: # 177 by Urstruly on July 13, 2006 10:06am PT

{Was their assertion based on a belief or wish that such an elite didn`t exist or did they have a sound basis to assert that such an elite does not exist. I want to know why they were defending an undefendable.}

The argument actually was about the hold this so-called power elite has on the world and its political life, and whether there is no opportunity for anyone else to break into this so-called circle. Masadi is totally wrong in his assertions that this power elite is something static and new comers are not allowed into the fold. Hamid is wrong in thinking that corporate America can do no harm. Masadi is wrong in asserting the institutional political and the institutional structure is based purely on power elite`s whims and wishes.

The American people are very smart and the system of checks and balances have continuously destroyed this so-called phantom of power elites. If there is something like power elites its membership is not static but quite dynamic and changes all the time. The basis of masadi`s point of power elite is that they are wealthy and hence unscrupulous. For the most part, and individuals, these people are very authentic, as Hamid has suggested. But, as a collective group of people, if they can get away with it, they will screw humanity. And that is where Joe Schmuck American steps in and say enough is enough.

Hope that clarifies the distinction from hamid`s thoughts and masadi`s thoughts.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 173 by hamidm2 on July 13, 2006 6:45am PT

Hamid:

{masadi,

...... sorry, this is too weird for me to comment on ! }

Why is it too weird? Do you need another round of scotch? uh!

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 180


urstruly,

stop scratching your head ! ...... what i meant was that anyone can be a member of your `power elite` if they work hard enough ......... over the past thirty years i have known many people from rather humble backgrounds who are now on multiple boards and they got there by simply working at it ....... so instead of whining and griping, get off your duff and see if you can make it too .......

#182, Kalyan {``Please read in context. That was my point also.``}

Kalyan Bhai,
Now I get it. Two sarcasms do not make a catechism. Yes, we are saying the same thing - when did you become a cynic like me? :)

Salim_Chauhan #176, Please read in context. That was my point also.

I differ with masadi on most things... but ferozk`s argument that masadi is a hypocrite because his tax dollars pays for iraq is BS.

Re: # 180

Yeah, keep scratching, you might find something in there, if you are lucky.

Re: # 178

so is your argument that, if I had not been lazy and worked hard the US power elite would not exit, but since I am lazy and don`t work hard therefore it exists?


scratching head.

Re: # 178

H Sahib.. All this time I thought Masadi was talking about power tools. But the diagram clearly explains who the real culps are.

urstruly,

....... are mark cuban, michael dell, larry page and sergey brin part of the `power elite` ? ........ if so, where were they a few years ago ? ...... what about mark zuckerberg, who is barely 21 years old, is he part of the power elite ?............. here is a list of under 30 men and women who will be part of the power elite in a couple of years while you are still whining about how unfair the world is ............. http://www.inc.com/slideshow_INC/slideviewer.cgi?list=30under30&refresh=10

......... i just sent this link to my daughter to make sure she doesn`t end up like you and masadi - lazy and incompetent slackers who have failed to compete and now sit around making excuses and blaming their miserable state on the `power elite` .............. we have to be honest with ourselves .... the other day when my younger daughter asked me why i never made partner i simply said, `because i was lazy and didn`t work hard enough` instead of giving her some cock and bull story about the power elite ...........

masadi`s post# 171 proves without any shadow of doubt that there exists a tightly-knit power elite in US. The question whether this power elite is an evil entity or not comes later but first I have to ask this question from those interactors who were so whemently denying the existence of such a power elite. Was their assertion based on a belief or wish that such an elite didn`t exist or did they have a sound basis to assert that such an elite does not exist. I want to know why they were defending an undefendable.

Kalyan #175 {``Ferozk, I assume you pay your taxes in Pakistan. I also assume you take ownership of all of GoP`s policies?
Why do you support military dictatorships with your tax rupees? ``}

Kalyan,
For the same reason that many Americans, like me, have to support a whacko fundo right-wing bible-thumpin Knight Templar, as he goes on a Crusade on taxpayers` expense.

Ferozk, I assume you pay your taxes in Pakistan. I also assume you take ownership of all of GoP`s policies?

Why do you support military dictatorships with your tax rupees?

quiz #1

...... if you are a shareholder in a company that makes widgets, who would you want on your board ?

a) a professor of sociology who thinks that widget-makers are evil
b) a hobo who rides the trains in new mexico and has never seen a widget
c) a homeless person in nyc who lives in a empty widget carton
d) a ceo of a company who is on the board of another company that buys widgets

Re: # 169

masadi,

...... sorry, this is too weird for me to comment on ! ............ now go out, strap on your suicide belt and put yourself out of your misery ! .......... you are a very sick man ....

feroz writes in #171 <<< Asadi, when you start questioning people`s personalities, do not be surprised when they start to question yours and once you set an example and other follow it to your dislike; do not blame them because that is a sign of hypocrisy. >>>

What a sorry excuse for a post. Go back to the interacts on this thread or any thread, whenever I have posted these AHs have attacked me, I have never made personalities an issue.

He writes

<<< all I can add is that as long as you keep supporting the United States` military operations in Iraq, with your tax dollars, you are contributing to the carnage yourself >>>

Definitely not, I have no choice, the little money I earn is already pre-taxed by coersive measures on threat of imprisonment if I should so refuse. What kind of UBL esque idiotic argument was this? The tax that they collect from me, by these coersive measures wouldn`t even pay for a standard issue M-16 rifle and it is not willingly paid.

Then he writes

<<< The most galling example of your hypocrisy is that you are calling me a hypocrite, when you are yourself a hypocrite! >>>

Another sorry excuse of an argument. Might I suggest you return to the topic or get the hell away from this thread with your personal attacks. People like yourself, that our keeping our youth deceptively ignorant even as their human potential is being robbed by the elite whose ways your worship. I don`t give a damn about what you think about me.

re: Asadi

Apprently, you enjoy to abuse and ridicule people, who disagree with you. As to your comments about addressing the topic of the article, I tried to discuss the article but you were too busy calling me names and seemed more eager to discuss my intelligence than in answering my questions. Now, you have started to call me a hypocrite. It is very hard to discuss this article with you, when you are not answering any questions related to it. You mentioned that you have already answered my questions. You have simply answered what you wished and ignored those aspects of my questions, which you did not wish to answer and that is not the same as claiming that you have answered questions.

As to the carnage in Iraq and my attempts to stop it, as you have suggested, all I can add is that as long as you keep supporting the United States` military operations in Iraq, with your tax dollars, you are contributing to the carnage yourself and if you are against the war, you should stop your financial contributions that are fuelling this illegal war. You claim to be against the war and you cry for the innocent Iraqi victims, and yet you support a government with your taxes that kills the Iraqis in an illegal war. The Janus like nature of your acts and intentions prove beyond a doubt, that it is YOU who is a true hypocrite and not I.

As to HP; HP and I disagreed a lot and we will disagree a lot more in the future, but in all of those disagreements, HP never personalized the issues and HP addressed his comments to my ideas and not towards my personality, you do.

Asadi, when you start questioning people`s personalities, do not be surprised when they start to question yours and once you set an example and other follow it to your dislike; do not blame them because that is a sign of hypocrisy.

The most galling example of your hypocrisy is that you are calling me a hypocrite, when you are yourself a hypocrite!

Ciao