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War for Peace

M Asadi July 5, 2006

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#106 Posted by kalyan on July 10, 2006 1:51:38 pm
Masadi has never pointed us to any peer-reviewed research of his. Why is that?

Web pages and self-published books, only. oh, and chowk articles. :)
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#105 Posted by tahmed32 on July 10, 2006 11:04:15 am
Professor Masadi: I know you are busy drafting lengthy responses to messrs kulharee, behram and hamidm. Make sure those responses are spell checked and grammer checked. Have them reviewed by Zeemax to make sure they are PC (Politically Correct) and by Echoboom who will inspect to make sure it contains the MRHAC (Minimum Recommended Hot Air Content) and finally by Mullah Fazloo to make sure they are IC (Ideologically Correct).

You may then post your response on Chowk. Thereby providing assurance that you are indeed a Grade A Inspected Chowk Nut.
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#104 Posted by echoboom on July 10, 2006 10:56:48 am
A resounding slap on the face of Secularoons, Liberaloons, Murtadoons, Munafiquoons and also upon those who were annointed as pimps by appointment to his/her majesty--the Daroowallahs & the Jharroowalaas.


A liberating veil?
One thing you can safely guess about the burqa: It`s hot at this time of year Beyond that, GTA women who don it may defy your assumptions, writes Heba Aly

Jul. 8, 2006. 03:55 AM
HEBA ALY
STAFF REPORTER

Like other mothers, Halima Mirza takes her children to the museum, on camping trips, and to the beach.

And she does it all wearing a burqa — a garment that has provoked curiosity, dismay and even suspicion as news events have forced conservative Muslim women into the media spotlight.

The head-to-toe covering might be hot in July, but Mirza says it doesn`t stop her from living her life. She has non-Muslim friends, goes out in public and even wears jeans, tank tops and makeup — under the garment.

``I don`t know why people have the idea that we`re oppressed,`` she says in perfect English, the language she uses with her children. ``We do everything ... we have fun.``

The 32-year-old mother of four started wearing the garb in her late teens, in gradual steps: first the hijab, a scarf covering the head. Then the jilbab, a long, loose coat-like garment. Finally, the niqab, a veil covering the face. Now, the combination — often referred to as the burqa when combined with mesh covering the eyes — might as well be part of her body, she says.

``I wouldn`t take my hijab off for anything.``

Why the attachment to a piece of cloth widely viewed as a symbol of the subjugation of women?

``I felt the importance of it, the obligation of it,`` she says. ``A Muslim woman is supposed to cover her hair, her body.

``It`s for your own protection. It`s for your modesty.``

In fact, head and body coverings pre-date Islam. Scholars point as far back as the 13th century BC, to Assyrian legal codes requiring veils for married women, concubines and daughters of lords.

Veiling was also the practice of ancient Romans and Greeks, and a requirement for Jewish and Christian women for many centuries. Ancient Jewish texts even advised women to cover everything but one eye, says Kathy Bullock, political science lecturer at the University of Toronto at Mississauga, whose dissertation addressed the veil and its image in the West. Some orthodox Jewish women wear scarves or wigs today to conceal their hair.

In her book Women and Gender in Islam, Harvard University`s Leila Ahmed points to 10th century writings by a Byzantine Christian intellectual named Psellos. He describes his mother dropping her veil for the first time in public at her daughter`s funeral, and commends a royal woman who ``was so scrupulous in observing the concealment of the flesh`` that she wore gloves.

``Barring some general disaster, women were always supposed to be veiled — the veil or its absence marking the distinction between honest women and prostitutes,`` Ahmed says. The Catholic nun`s habit originates in the same tradition.

Academics speculate that women in some cultures, before Islam arrived, covered their heads but not their bosoms, ``indicative of an early tribal cultural practice,`` says Anver Emon, assistant professor of Islamic law and torts at the University of Toronto.

Like the veil, the headscarf differentiated free women from slaves: ``It started off as a class distinction element,`` Emon explains.

When Islam came along in the 7th century AD, it adopted the head covering for free women, and instructed them to pull down their headscarves to cover their bosoms as well.

By the 12th century, some jurists considered the distinction between free and slave women irrelevant, Emon says. Eventually, all Muslim women were required to wear the headscarf ``because they are all a source of seduction.``

The Qur`an also commanded the wives of the Prophet to speak from behind a curtain, so they began covering their faces ``as a way of protecting their high status in the community,`` Bullock says. When other women began emulating the Prophet`s wives, the veil became more mainstream in Islam, she adds.

But the veil came under attack during the colonial era, when ``it was seen as a symbol of oppression and backwardness,`` Bullock explains.

In Iran, police chased women who wore the veil on the street, threatening to rip it off and cut it up. Similar campaigns went on in Turkey, Egypt and Nigeria.

The 1970s saw the beginnings of a movement back to traditional Islamic dress, instigated by the loss of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war and the feeling that Muslims had departed from their religion, Bullock says.

Original coverings took many forms, including a sheet wrapped around a woman`s body and pretty, embroidered cloths that stopped at the chin. Now head and face coverings are as diverse as ever, from African-style turbans, to sheer Indian fabrics loosely draped around the head and shoulders, to modest Western-style clothing accompanied by a head scarf. The modern version of the burqa, the black tent-like draping, did not arise until the return to conservatism in the 1970s.

Today, the burqa still holds a degree of symbolism, though most Islamic scholars don`t consider it mandatory. As Lila Abu-Lughod writes in a 2002 article in American Anthropologist, women who wear the burqa in Afghanistan are considered ``good women`` who stay inside the home. ``It is for good respectable women from strong families who are not forced to make a living selling on the street,`` she writes.

Yet some Muslim women in the West say the burqa is less a symbol of class than an individual spiritual choice.

When Madihah Yarkhan, a 21-year-old psychology graduate from the University of Toronto, decided to cover her face in her last year of high school, her parents tried to talk her out of it. They worried that people would look at her differently.

She had been wearing a headscarf since she was young and wanted to take ``that extra step.``

Yarkhan agrees that it`s not absolutely required, ``but it`s just something I wanted to do, that level I wanted to reach.``

Back at high school in September, she approached her teacher and said, ``Miss, guess who?``

``It`s Madihah,`` her teacher replied.

``How did you know?``

``Of course! I know you by your eyes.``

And so it was. She was the first to wear the veil in her North York school. While it took some getting used to, she says she didn`t get any negative attention. In fact, ``a lot of non-Muslims supported me more than extended family members.``

For Bullock, the University of Toronto lecturer, the decision to wear a headscarf was much more difficult.

An immigrant from Australia, and an atheist at the time, she was ``quite hostile`` to the concept when she first engaged in conversation with Muslims in her master`s program.

They were ``such nice, friendly people`` that she began to question the image she had of them. ``I started to wonder why there were people in the modern world that still believed in God.``

When she got engaged to a Muslim man, her intrigue grew. Despite a temporary return to church, she was drawn to Islam ``like a moth to a flame,`` which scared her tremendously.

She tried to fight it, until ``finally, I couldn`t resist anymore.``

She converted a year and a half after marrying, but felt ``depressed`` that she would have to wear the hijab because she believed it was obligatory.

Wearing it around campus drew some hostility, she says.

``I was a very strong feminist. They just couldn`t fathom it.``

But as time passed, she found links between the hijab and her feminism.

``I explain it as a release from the pressures of the consumer-capitalist society that we live in,`` she says. ``Women`s bodies are put up as commodities, to help sell anything from cars to fridges to cigarettes.

``By covering up, I felt liberated from those pressures. I didn`t have to be thin. I didn`t have to be beautiful. My beauty was now a private thing; it was not for public consumption.``

This transition had all the more impact because she had always had anxieties about her body, leading to ``borderline anorexia`` and low self-esteem, Bullock said.

``It gives me more courage and confidence as a woman,`` says Yarkhan. ``It`s actually the opposite of oppression. I feel liberated when I wear it.``

Yarkhan, Bullock and Mirza recognize that in some places the burqa or hijab are not choices. But they insist that`s not the case in Canada, where the garments take many forms. They say it`s a matter of spirituality.

Emon argues it might be more than that.

``A strong argument can be made that the headscarf is no longer a matter of religious law as it is about political identity in the modern day,`` he says, recalling that the headscarf was adopted for the first time in Egypt after the British took control of the country in 1882.

Yarkhan agrees her niqab shapes her identity as a Muslim. But when she`s out having a picnic or driving a car, and especially when she`s ice skating, ``I consider myself just as Canadian as anyone else.``
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#103 Posted by Behram1 on July 10, 2006 10:37:34 am

Dear Masadi:

It has been quite obvious for a long time, to most of us that your academic understanding of the power elite concept written some 40 years ago has not been substantiated, both inside or outside the academia. It is a shame that you are taking a book by some defunct sociologist as your bible to earn a living. Are you not embarresed at the livelihoood that you make based on some false theory which promotes conspiratorial theories?

Respectfully submitted,
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#102 Posted by arjun_m on July 10, 2006 9:30:13 am
#91 by masadi on July 10, 2006 1:30am PT


Now I have done papers that deal with the pluralism fallacy as it relates to America(click the link)


Masadi

What sets genuine research apart from rantings on the internet: Peer review..

I see none of your research is peer reviewed..which means your research is nothing but ranting...
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#101 Posted by echoboom on July 10, 2006 8:50:48 am
For the Westoxicated scum in the slavelands where goraa left but left his droppings

....``buy we excell in sniffing the goraa-ass in english ...`` yelp , in american accents, the canines from the cantonement & colonies




The Washington Times



Wednesday, June 28, 2006


The veil is not the issue






According to a recent poll, Muslim women care more about voting and their countries’ problems such as violent extremism, corruption and lack of unity among the countries. It is unfortunate that women did not use the survey as a way to express their “own” problems and needs. If they don’t speak up, nobody will do it for them.



It might be surprising to hear that the veil, or even the burqua, is not the main problem facing Muslim women. None of the women surveyed mentioned this issue.



Maybe people should stop stereotyping veiled women and focus on more important problems. A good example is a recent Jordanian survey showing that women find it acceptable to be beaten by their husbands!



What is really alarming is that more women, married and unmarried, found beating acceptable compared to their male counterparts.



Women are not challenging the status quo. In fact, they might be ingraining it even more. Are they afraid or are they oblivious?



— Gihane Askar, Internet Division, The Washington Times









11 Responses to “The veil is not the issue”




Yomi Okanlawon Says:

The problem with Western civilization is they tend to judge everyone by their standard and do not fully comprehend the power of religious belief. In Middle East like you rightly observed, the veil or wife-beating is part of the socio-cultural-religious system. It should not surprise you that Middle East culture is completely at 180 degrees from the West. The West needs more studies like this to fully understand non-Western culture.




posted at 1:15 AM






Thomas Wm. O`Connell, Jr. Says:

Andy Woodward Says:

After 11 eleven years in 3 countries the Mideast I agree the veil is not the issue. There’s no great pressure from women to get rid of it and few are forced to wear it. There’s much more concern about not having access to decent jobs, to being hassled on the street and over the phone by young men, to domestic violence and forced (not arranged) marriages. There’s an awful lot that women worry about in Arab society and the veil is the least of it.




Our belief has the power of Truth to liberate both men and women subject to the erroneous and oppressive morality of a contrary religious conviction.



If we are going to “dialogue” with Islam, we should not tie our religious selves behind our backs. For if we proceed on solely a modern subjective or enlightenment morality, we will fail because they are incapable of pronouncing any reason for its own superiority.




posted at 2:32 PM



Apparently, nobody in this forum is actually reading these “surveys”.



In nearly all cases, the majority of Jordanian men and women DO NOT believe that striking a woman is justified for any reason other than adultery. It is true that, compared to Americans, Middle East cultures are far less tolerant of adultery.



It would also be helpful if someone noted that domestic violence is also one of the major challenges facing the American society. Estimates of the percentage of American women who have been the victim of domestic violence range as high as 33%.



At best, we can only say that Americans might be slightly more respectful of women. But even that is only true if we ignore pornography, a practice that is virtually nonexistent in Muslim cultures.



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#100 Posted by Kulharee on July 10, 2006 8:30:05 am
Re: # 99


Hamdi Sahib, Masadi sahib should be able to make his opinion heard like anyone else. People can disagree with his views but you have to admit that he is one of a kind. Have you ever read a bigger hypocrite? He is totally oblivious to the mess the Muslim world is in while he spends his intellectual energy to highlight the poverty in the richest country in the world.

(#98) T Sahib, Darfur should be considered as part of the Ammah. I am ashamed to be a Pakistani as the Pakistani delegate at the UN is the biggest opponent of any international intervention into Darfur genocide – either in terms of sanctions or deployment of UN troops, or holding the Sudanese government responsible. But more than that, it is Pakis like Zeemax and Masadi who continently sweep aside issue confronting black Muslims. They have their heads firmly shoved up Iraqi and Chechnya’s ass because they happen to be of fairer skin. Not only Zuzu and Masadi religious bigots, they are also racists. But they still deserve a place to voice their views.


I would love to read an essay by Masasi on Darfur genocide and the role of Islam into it. Heck, I might even become his biggest follower.
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#99 Posted by hamidm2 on July 10, 2006 8:13:31 am


chowk staff,

....... after a week`s absence from this venerable forum i returned to find that you have finally hit rock bottom by publishing garbage by the likes of maulana masadi ..... what is next ?........ an article on child molestation by a catholic priest, or a `scientific` paper on the properties of steel by professor zeemax ! ? ! ...........

....... please remove this article from the front page before the children see it .......... i also request that maulana masadi be banned from the chowk for a couple of weeks until he can prove his sanity .........


thank you for your understanding
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#98 Posted by tahmed32 on July 10, 2006 8:12:22 am
Kulharee #97 Why should Janjaweed be part of anyone`s Amma??
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#97 Posted by Kulharee on July 10, 2006 7:00:26 am
Re: # 96

Bulla Ji.. I think Masadi like anyone else should be able to express his views, no matter how filthy and childish they may be. This is probably only a handful of places where he can express himself. You will notice that he will never mention Darfur Genocide being committed by his fellow followers of the Islam but god forbid you hear him or anyone of his little west haters talk about the Sudanese atrocities. Let him speak and let him make a fool of himself (not that it is needed).

Masadi Sahib and his sidekick Zeemax... do you guys consider Janjaweed as part of your exalted Ummah?
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#96 Posted by ballukhan on July 10, 2006 4:47:57 am
Asadi you are exposed.....quit this board and go back to your madarassa......
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#95 Posted by ballukhan on July 10, 2006 3:56:49 am
Re: # 91

``He cannot deal with the text of my article, that is quite baffling as phenomenon.``


Listen Mr. Asadi......you do not even know how to argue your thesis and I seriously doubt you being part of any university faculty. I asked for specific studies to support your thesis about US Elites and how they are responsible for the lack of democracy in the middle east and you talk about your so called paper on pluralism. Pluralism was offered as another possible theory to explain social and political events and just like the Power Elit theory is another theory needing corroboration. But you assume the correctness of Power Elite theory and derive your thesis about US Elites causing the middle east mess. This is absolutely wrong way to establish your thesis. You need to provide specific evidences and studies to support your thesis and the various statements you make in your essay.

For example, take your statement:

``Democracy would result in Arab unity, and a total exit of Western economic dominance in the region and an eventual withering away of the state of Israel, whose nurturing is linked more to a neo-colonial setup than any Zionist aspirations (which would be of mere ‘nuisance value’ otherwise). ``

Give me any shred of evidence about how this would happen. You talk in apocalyptic terms , making prophetic remarks, talking like a know-all AH on this Board with all those bombastic statements which are not supported by any evidence.

You talk like a God and ask me to prove that you are wrong as if the contrafactual statement you make above is capable of refutation. Popper called such theories as psuedo-scientific.......all couched in the language of natural sciences and not capable of refutation.......it is as if you tell me if ``I will die and go to heavans`` and asking me to disprove........that is utter BS! You have to PROVE your thesis .It is as if you come up with a Phd thesis and ask the reviewers to disprove it- this is completely nonsense.
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#94 Posted by masadi on July 10, 2006 2:29:16 am
Ferozk wrote in #84 <<< Masadi, United States` economic and political hegemony (a word loved by the socialist theorists of the utopian order) did not start till 1945. >>>

Where do I say otherwise? When I talk about Neo-colonization, I mean of it as a progression from earlier colonial days, the form is different as well as the hegemonic power doing such colonization and not that Sykes-Picot was America`s doing
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#93 Posted by masadi on July 10, 2006 2:25:01 am
behram writes <<< Actually, you are the one who is confused about what is happening in the world these days. The only tool that you have acquired from the academia is some conspiracy theory of power elite >>>

Very easy to dismiss actual research without dealing with a word of it as ``conspiracy theory``, and the c@ck and bull BS fed by the corporate media where in their happy world every Tom, Dick & Harry has equal opportunity regardless of the fact that the top 1% in this country control 99% of its wealth, passes as ``fact``.
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#92 Posted by Behram1 on July 10, 2006 2:18:05 am
Re: # 77 by masadi on July 9, 2006 6:06pm PT

Dear Masadi:

{This is exactly what I mean by bigotry and raw hate that Behram and the Hindus display on here.}

Actually, you are the one who is confused about what is happening in the world these days. The only tool that you have acquired from the academia is some conspiracy theory of power elite that was written in the 1950`s and you continue to harp on that old theory.

{Behram get the hell away from this thread if you don`t have anything relevant to say.} O! poor thing showing anger and spewing hate. Why? Are you that insecure in your knowledge as to who is actually telling the truth?

Respectfully submitted,
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#91 Posted by masadi on July 10, 2006 1:30:26 am
ballukhan writes in #90 <<< Is that a joke? .....these are all theorists who have their critics and remain a part of the entire spectrum of social theorists from Durkheim to Parsons to Habermas..........you make assumptions which you claim to be supported by the studies of these theorists........ >>>

So first he cannot deal with my arguments and seeks documentation, so to satisfy him, even though such documentation would not strengthen or weaken my argument, I provide him a few (out of the many). Then he rejects those saying they have their critics, this is getting quite funny now, then he writes

<<< Let me put it this way.......as a subscriber to Pluralist theory (as stated in ``The Governmental Process`` by David Truman) I talk about ``interest groups`` than some creamy elites who control the fate of the modern world and derive different propositions about the reasons for the political situation in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.......... >>>

Now I have done papers that deal with the pluralism fallacy as it relates to America(click the link) and its two party system circumscribed by wealth in which elites from the corporate arena, float between the political and corporate and where decisions are made inspite of public opinion, interest groups are not equal and are not given equal access and are marginal when going against elite opinion especially on international and military matters which is the preoccupation of these elite; but his paper does not deal with that, so he wants to expand and distrat again. The reason for this distraction is that he does not have a clue or an argument against what I write in this paper.

Notice how he cannot approach even one sentence, leave alone one paragraph in this paper , all he can ask for is ``documentation`` where none is needed and when some is provided he says, ``they have their critics``, he does not even say which point he disagrees with me on in this paper but tries to dismiss it all by saying ``propaganda``. I doubt that he has even read it carefully.

As an attempt at refutation, ballukhan is proving to be beyond pathetic, and why is that you ask? It is because on his mind is mere bigotry, regarding Islam, which he throws out now and then, regardless of whether his mind is stumped by my arguments or whether he agrees with them or not. He cannot deal with the text of my article, that is quite baffling as phenomenon.
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