War for Peace

#32 ranjit writes <<< Masadi,

Blaming the west or the US for all problems is a convenient cop out. The US fights for its own self-interest, no doubt about that. But then, no one is stopping the muslim world from doing exactly the same. >>>

It is easy to say ``cop-out`` whenever the issues are beyond your level of intelligence to understand. Saying that Muslim countries should fight just as the US fights is similar to saying that a malnourished, underweight child, forced to attend underfunded public schools should compete with a Harvard graduate, who has gone to the best schools, had access to the best nutrition and other support his whole life. The US is not an equal player with other coountries around the globe. It has a whole institutional setup around the globe, well protected by its enormous footprint around the world, to ensure that these other countries stay in their subordinate position. Why Muslims wont have democracy is because the US will not tolerate democracy in that region for obvious reasons.

Then he writes <<< Muslims are their own worst enemies. A lot more muslims kill other muslims as compared to non-muslims killing muslims. >>>

When Western policies and wars destroy all remnants of civil institutions we expect such mayhem. Similar BS arguments are used for stating that African Americans kill each other in the US more than any whites kill them, this is supposed to clear away the effects of slavery and the mean existence that has been forced upon them by these neo-colonial elite. It simply shows ignorance of both the World system and setup of society within this power-state.

<<< This list goes on and on >>>

There is no list except for the list of Western hypocrisy. One soldier gets kidnapped, big deal, is that reason to invade a whole territory, cut off its water and power supply, kidnap its government members? Your hypocrisy is glaring. What about Iranian nuclear ambitions? The West was helping the shah develop nuclear power so that it would free up more oil for sale abroad, why the big deal now?

<<< If the US is so powerful, how come countries like China and even India can limit its influence? If the US can manipulate muslims so easily, it is truly a shameful reflection on muslims. However, the truth is that the US or the West is not really as powerful as you believe. They have some influence but they are human. It is the fault of the muslims that they just cannot get their act together. >>>

When China and India were limiting its influence you derailed them and the West was trying to marginalize them, now when they fall for the trap, you say they are limiting its influence? India has an over 90% real poverty rate, what kind of example is that? China, were it not being exploited for a large market and cheap assembly point would be nothing. What independence? The fact is that power disparity around the world has become ultra concentrated in a small group of rich countries and within them is held securely by the US, and it is enforced and kept ticking by US wars, even though it causes widespread misery around the globe.

#32 & 33

This whole US-versus-the-Muslims debate is pointless for the simple reason that ``Muslims`` are not a country, no matter how much the deluded ummah-dreamers wish it. What has Malaysia got in common with Saudi Arabia? Or Iran with the UAE for that matter?

Why should it automatically be assumed that the interests of people in South East Asia, the Middle East and Africa be the same just because they share a first name and read from the same religious text? I don`t understand this mentality.

#34 I don`t understand this mentality.

This is known as the goatica mentalitis , commonly referred to as the ``goat mentality``. Meaning follow the herd. And what a herd we have here on this board: masadi, echosqueek and i see nasah joining in their bleating!!

#33 masadi: if i thought you were either honest or half-way intelligent, i could tear apart every stupid argument of yours. only living in the US provides you this luxury of writing lengthy pieces of your demonizing of the country you live in on the internet.

Does this jerk masadi live in America?

HAHAHAHAHA

You wanker!!!!!!!


You are like that excrement-brain Maududi that spent his life waving his fist and cursing America then sent his daughters to university there and couldnt get there fast enough to get his heart operation to save his life.

You low yellow bellied HYPOCRITE

>>>>>This whole US-versus-the-Muslims debate is pointless for the simple reason that ``Muslims`` are not a country, no matter how much the deluded ummah-dreamers wish it.>>>>>

Yeah but these ummah morons are suffering from brain fever when they realise the dissonance between the real world and their stupid fantasies of Islamic glory. just one lookm at the state of them and the realisation of their comedy value is enough to make them feel their balls have been chopped off and make them blow themselves with rage and inferiority complex. The rest laugh at them.

Yellow bellied ingrate hypocrites to an immature man

tahmed writes <<< i could tear apart every stupid argument of yours. >>>

Go for it what is stopping you? So far in every discussion we`ve had you`ve put your tail between your legs and run away after being stumped and humiliated. Living in the US has absolutely nothing to do with what I write, your excuses when stumped are just as pathetic as your Ad hominem against me. People living in every corner of the globe write similar stuff and reproduce my writings, and so far they haven`t disappeared off the face of the earth and you think I just started writing after coming to the US ?

#34 burpinder writes <<< This whole US-versus-the-Muslims debate is pointless for the simple reason that ``Muslims`` are not a country, no matter how much the deluded ummah-dreamers wish it >>>

My article has nothing to do with US versus Muslims, have you even read it? Your friend ranjit threw in the ``Muslim`` part to nourish his bigotry.

Pathetic isnt it, these AHs like tahmed and Punjabishit cannot address a single point raised in the article and resort to name calling and guess work about me and my personality. Poster children for illogical thinking while claiming to be enlightened. If this were enlightenment I wouldn`t spit on it.

HAHAHA

You yellow bellied hypocritical pathetic neo Maududi rotting eggs-for-brain! Spitting, hating, emasculated with your balls cut off, sucking the teat of the Great Satan all the time you rage against it. Your type is ten-a-penny these days, witless hypocrites to a man.

#42, take your meds and don`t struggle with the nice gentlement who have brought your straitjacket~ they will not let you escape from the loony asylum again.

And for the record, the difference between Maududi`s theology and how I understand the Quran is the differnence between night and day and America is not described by the tiny elite that rule over it~ I mention in the article that they are a victim of this war mentality of these elite as well, your intelligence level does not permit you to go beyond the official BS, and finally, I have given more to this land than it has given me in return, even in the class I teach, the fee they extract from ONE student pays for my semester`s salary while the rest of the 110 in the class are all surplus for them, and out of that they cut a hefty chunk as tax as well, even as they steal from the world selling them third rate military equipment at inflated prices.

So idiot, if you dont have a clue about how this world operates, I suggest you retreat to the hole you have lived in all your life.

masadi: You ask why i dont tear your arguments apart? i had provided the reason, which you obviously ignored.

I am prepared to demonstrate how off-base your arguments are if you are prepared to discuss them in a civilized and intelligent manner. Do you think you can do that?

masadi: and i dont just want a simple ``yes`` to my question below. I want you to also tell me, what the term ``discuss in a civilized and intelligent manner`` means to you so we may agree on certain ``Rules of Engagement``.

Dear masadi:

It is rather obvious that you are totally against corporation and forces of globalization. You have been unsuccessful in getting any support from most of the interactors on this Chowk because it appears that you are lacking authenticity in your intellectual ability. There appears to be disharmony between your intellect (reasoning power) and your soul (your belief structure).

You have constantly railed against corporate elite and by extension you write against individual capitalist. And then you bring the institutional structure of bureaucracy of governance (political structure) into the discussion, along with your interpretation of your religion. Many times, I have noticed that you take refuge in your religious values unnecessarily.

This creates a showing of your convoluted mind. Just remember, some people (including myself) really do not care about academia. Your academic world is where you can hypothesize your analytical mind. But, outside the boundaries of the academia is totally a different world, and you should realize that.

Coming back to a view of comparing corporation with individual capitalist. As an analogy, what did King Kong want? He just wanted to be with the love of his life, who was human. But, King Kong was killed because the human world was not able to handle this beast.

Likewise, corporation is like a beast in the capitalist society. The corporate elite that you rail against is actually the executive team only. And for a large part not the shareholders. You can play the nuances until hell freezes, but for the most part Joe Schmuck Americans are comfortable with opportunities of an individual enterprising capitalist.

Your academic background notwithstanding, you must develop a style of interacting on Chowk to gain acceptability. This would enhance your credibility and stature that you obviously are craving for.

Respectfully submitted,

tahmed writes <<< I am prepared to demonstrate how off-base your arguments are if you are prepared to discuss them in a civilized and intelligent manner. Do you think you can do that? >>>

You have nothing to offer tahmed that is why you come up with excuses like ``rules of engagement`` and other BS. Dismantle my arguments rather than seek Ad Hominem as you have been doing on this thread. Coming from someone like yourself who worships the colonial elite, supports the British colonization of India and Africa and is willing to overlook the worst atrocities committed in the Atlantic Slave Trade and the destruction of Native Americans by these elite, who will not even condemn the most heinous barbaric atrocities committed by the US military in its many wars, I don`t expect anything remotely resembling civility or intellectual integrity coming from you. Shove your slavish mentality and the Anglo Saxon ``ethos`` that you tout where the ``light don`t shine``.


Behram #46, can it, you know what you`re saying is completely disconnected from reality, we have discussed this many times before and you have shown no decency or respect for truth or fact. I put considerable effort in all of my articles and they are not for my benefit, considering how most of you slaves of the Western elite react to them, tells me that you are closer to the illiterate Mullahs that you pretend to rail against. It is like casting pearls before swine, I`d rather let you stay in the pig`s sty these elite have constructed for you both as fact and in the mind~ the slavish mentality that you all possess, rather than try to educate the bigots among you.

#47 If you had any confidence in the strength of your arguments, you would have had no problem accepting this offer to have a civilized dialogue - where I even gave you a chance to define the rules of the dialogue which obviously would have applied to me as much as to you.

However, you have instead come back with more of your usual lunatic rantings. Thus proving what I wrote earlier about why I could tear apart your arguments if you I thought you were any better than your stupid arguments. Instead, you are just another half-brained desi babu to have fun with on chowk. Cheers. :-)