16% UK Muslims Stand by London Bombers

Irena:

``Agreed 16 per cent is a large chunk of people and 36 per cent is even larger but isn`t 64 per cent the largest of all and that it deserves to be the headline? ``

NO. because its very disturbing fact that there are still 16% around who justify the cowardly act. what is you were mercilessly raped and the 20% of the rapist family said that you deserved it. wouldn`t that be a unbelievable headline!

``The report added that 13 percent of the Muslims polled thought the bombers were martyrs while seven percent felt suicide attacks on British civilians were justified in some circumstances``

it just says a lot about the enemy-within the society that they will have to deal with. yes it is sensational and unbelievable.

a more accurate headline would been

``(16 + 13 + 7) 36% of british muslims stand and applaud british killers and we are silent!!``

Wah ... Wah ... what gems ... deserves to be written in golden words and repeated over and over again!

You belong to the category of bigoted Hindus... Otherwise how would you say, how would you blabber, how would you sleep at night without barking, how would you empty your bowels without saying, You seem to be the kind of person who just shouts in the cyber arena (for publicity sake since you don`t get any attention in reality)

Atta girl ... sock it to him ..... what a great addition to chowk.com

But really ... I do feel sorry to see the great Arjun Ram with his tail between his legs ... shivering like a wet puppy ...

Irena for Chief Editor ... no ... Prime Minister ...

Re: # 119


Tahmed,
I still think Arjun is anti Pakistani and not completely anti Muslim.

Now I got along quite well with the average Pakistanis I used to play cricket with in Boston/Dorchester/Cambridge etc. We had mixed club primarily Indians with a sprinkling of Pakistanis, one Sri Lankan, one Englishman one American and two Jamaicans. Nobody hated each other.

But there are people in Pakistan who don`t mind coming to India to kill civilians for the sake of whatever they believe in. That isn`t quite the done thing.

I don`t make a claim that all Hindus are nice and innocent either.

I`m sure qutite a few of us will agree that a little bit of religion, customs etc is good, too much can be quite stultifying and ultimately dangerous. There is a kernel of evil in all of us. It does not take much to nuture it.

To quote your favourite on another board
`` The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones.``

#152 by vivek on July 7, 2006 7:59am PT


The fact of the matter is 16% supporting the bombers in the very country which was bombed is a very high number



Media is biased against muslims
Non-muslims are biased against muslims

bottom line: Reality is biased against muslims..

I`ve said this many times on Chowk before, and I`ll say this again. Muslims and Islam present a danger to humanity compared to which Communism, Nazism and Fascism are insignificant. People like Hamidm, SR, VRV etc. may be liberal and progressive human beings, but their family members may not be. They may be raising the next generation of Osamas without realizing it.

Regardless of the level of this realization in Europe and America today, the day will surely come when this realization will hit home. It`s just that it might be too late by then. People like the author of the current article illustrate how this cancer is slowly but surely spreading in the West.

When I was young, my father gave me the autobiography of Winston Churchill to read. He told me to note two things - how very good English can be written using simple sentences, and also how intelligent and highly perceptive men can also be so biased in their world view because of their upbringing. So although Chuchill was an arrogant British Imperialist to the core, and never really could get rid of the biases of the particular class he was born into, he was also a very thoughtful and inquisitive person. For example - his thought experiments about the ``reality`` of our existence.

So I would like to re-quote his views on Islam and Muslims, which I think are highly accurate:


[How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.


Winston Churchill

The River War]

#143 by lucknawi on July 7, 2006 7:19am PT


Use a simple Internet tool called Google


Why don`t you google for reports in the media about hindus killing muslims and the victims clearly being identified as muslims..

IN fact, i`ll post the link for you..CLick here

You can change the source to other newspapers if you want..

Irena Akbar,

Are u for real??? What a shocking news that 1 out of 6 side with the bombers....Where is ur outrage on that? Instead all I see is you lamenting about some obsure heading in a newspaper. Get a hold...

And whats with calling everybody Fascist, Hindutva, Modi supporter etc when they dont agree with you?

---

SN

The fact of the matter is 16% supporting the bombers in the very country which was bombed is a very high number, and the author is busy whining about a newspaper reporting about it. Newspaper articles like this are based on perception with in the muslim community, the author would serve a better purpose if she helped in altering the perception instead of whining about it.

# arjun_m

I think there is no need to look for conspiracy theories. It is well know that there is an ugly, left-wing, hypocitical world-view in which the workings of open societies are held to extremely high standards while at the same time completely ignoring the violence and hatred emerging from mono-cultural countries like China/Saudi Arabia/Pakistan.

The problems of US/UK/Israel are used to justify violence against civilians and other misbehavior while maintaining complete silence over the cultural and physical genocide of tibetans in china, the extinction of hindus in pakistan, the 100s of billions of saudi money used for islamofascist indoctrination.

This is the world view Irena-ji belongs to. They are thousands of these comrades, living comfortably in the open and democratic society of india while at the same time spewing contempt for the state that nurtures them.

I believe in democracy and these people have the right to behave as they wish. But at the same time, they need to understand that they will be judged as apologists and supporters of violence and closed, authoritarian societies.

Just shouting ``RSS``, ``hindu fascist`` does not count as an argument anywhere outside of the JNU campus.

Oye Mishra,

You just proved MY point by saying, “I have also seen many reports in which ``a certain community`` burnt down press offices, shops, goverment offices and killed people because of salman rushdie, danish cartoons etc”.

That’s exactly what I have been trying to say all along. That when Muslims do wrong, their religion is identified but when they suffer, their religion is NOT identified.

Clap, Clap, Clap! Mishra-ji just put across my point!

Irena Akbar

Re: # 140

Mian Pandit Mishra-ji,

My only Leftist ``illogical`` reply to you is that you have either not read my article carefully or have failed to understand its rather simple point. It only talks of media bias against Muslims. It does not justify 16 per cent of UK Muslims supporting the bombers. It`s your wishful, whimsical, wierd, Hindutva-Moditva, ``Rightist logical`` thinking that makes you want to belive that I am trying to clean-chit the 16 per cent UK Muslims.

Irena Akbar (Farzana Versey in arjun_m`s little chowk world)

Ms. Akber,

As u claim to be a journalist, u must aware of this attractive headings, the pressmen crave to highlight. That`s normal.

The 16% is quite alarming. I guess it`s more than that.

You said: ......the media is disturbingly biased against the coverage of Muslims...

That`s not true.

If 1% of your body cells contain cencer (cells), would u ignore & say that 99% is OK, why bother? You need to worry about the problem even if it`s small......

zeemax: with friends like you, though, muslims dont need any enemies. why dont you become a hindu and spare us all the embarassment of your hiding from the obvious truth?

Re: # 101
Sri
`` do you feel there is any rational reason for a not-so-religious backward caste hindu like me to hate muslims ?``

You tell me. What does religion and caste have to do with this? You can be an atheist and have as many rational reasons to hate some of them as like some of them.

My point is saying, ``I hate Muslims`` is like saying ``I like Americans``. So would you like all Americans including their share of crooks, murderers, killers, theives ......

It is not necessary to hate people on the basis of religion, ethnicity etc.

lucknawi #138 Yes of course it is a terrible thing for an Indian muslim to call a Pakistani a friend. :-) Good Indian muslims must constantly demonstrate their loyalty to India by following these burnt up hindu men in their demonization of Pakistanis and by apologizing for being commie muslims themselves.

Cheers.